leadcore question and spinner rig question

So, im a leadcore newb, when I spooled up I put 30′ of floro on as my leader, is this enough for a basic set up is my first question? I only picked it as its basically the same distance as one color. Second question, do you determine how much depth you get out of the chosen lure by the dive chart based on that 30′ leader and your speed, or do you use the stated dive depth (likr if a lure is stated 9′ running depth, assume that even if it wouldnt be that deep with just 30′ of floro alone) (plus the added depth for lead)?

I also picked up some bottom bouncers and spinner rigs, wanted to have some for a deeper bite if other options fail, is the a good ‘starting point’ for speed you pull these at? I would assume it would be considerably slower than if pulling a crankbait, but I didnt know.

Thanks for the advise, heading back to paradise in a month (voyaguers national park) want to have as many options at the ready as I can, never fished the fall up there.

there was talk about using a good swivel to limit line twist, wrecking the lead . it breaks up and comes out of the sheath I think.
Stan

Should the swivel be at lead to floro, or floro to bait? I current tied one on for floro to bait.

Unless your fishing a clear water system, I would shorten you’re leader to around 10′ max. On dark water or dirtier water river systems like the Wisconsin where I fish and the Miss river, 6 to 8′ of leader is usually plenty.
Especially if you are using Sufix Advanced 832 lead core, then tie a good, quality swivel between the lead core and the swivel. If you intend to pull spinner rigs with this setup, (as you’re thread title implies) I would tie another swivel between the leader and the spinner rig.

OK, kinda thought it might be a lot of leader.

The spinner rigs I meant as a totally different approach, using traditional line and bottom bouncers, figure this is a simpler approach than running lead when out with people with even less experience than I.

Joel Ballweg wrote:

Unless your fishing a clear water system, I would shorten you’re leader to around 10′ max. On dark water or dirtier water river systems like the Wisconsin where I fish and the Miss river, 6 to 8′ of leader is usually plenty.
Especially if you are using Sufix Advanced 832 lead core, then tie a good, quality swivel between the lead core and the swivel. If you intend to pull spinner rigs with this setup, (as you’re thread title implies) I would tie another swivel between the leader and the spinner rig.

Joel are you having any better luck with 832 lead? I knw you. Had problems and was wondering if you’ve found a soulition? I’m running my crank 5ft of fluro to a spro bb swivel to 20 ft of fluro to another swivel then the 832 lead. We wrecked another 2 colors on 2 rods this weekend.

timschmitz wrote:

Joel are you having any better luck with 832 lead? I knw you. Had problems and was wondering if you’ve found a soulition

Tim – I am no longer running the Sufix Advanced 832 Lead Core.
Rapala has a lot of great products which I dearly love, but that’s not one of them. I switched all three of my walleye lead core trolling rods to Tuf-Line MicroLead.

Here’s a little on how my thought process went in deciding what to run.

Although I haven’t actually measured the diameter, both Tuf-Line Micro Lead and Sufix Advanced lead core have small diameters, which is great for either putting more backing behind the lead core (think salmon fishing rigs) or just for the ability to use a smaller, less expensive reel.
The difference between the two here is Sufix sinks deeper per color. Tuf-Line Micro lead sinks at the same rate as regular lead core.

Score 1 for Sufix

Durability – this ones not even close. With all the lead core trolling I’ve been doing the past few years, it would be hard for me to even make it through the spring walleye season without having to throw away the sufix and re-spool with fresh lead core.
After using the Tuf-line micro lead for the first half of this season, it looks like I will have to remove about 15′ of lead core from each setup. (3 setups total) Not to bad considering I have a full core on each reel.
Just so you know that I’m not pulling any punches, the reason why I have to remove 15′ of lead core is exactly the same issue I had with the Sufix Advanced lead core. Fraying and splintering of lead shards going through the sheath.
When I ran the Sufix Advanced lead core though, I would have to remove 2 or more colors to get down to good line again. That’s a big difference.

Score 1 for Tuf-Line.

$Price$: (taken from Cabela’s. I’m sure we can all find better deals somewhere)
Sufix 832 Advanced Lead Core – 100yd spool = $29.99
Tuf-Line Micro Lead – 100yd spool = $24.99
Considering that I would have to buy at least twice as much Sufix to make it through an entire year of fishing, the cost difference is significant.

Score = Tuf-Line: 2 Sufix: 1

Strength – I have not done a tensile strength test on either one of these two lines. I can’t say that we ever broke a line when using the Sufix. At least not on a fish. We certainly broke a few intentionally trying to get unsnagged. Same goes for the Tuf-line.
I did set up a full core rod for salmon fishing and so far, it’s worked great as expected. Not sure that the Sufix wouldn’t have done the same though so I’ll call this a draw.

For me, the Tuff Line is currently edging out the Sufix Advanced. Rigging is exactly the same and I would not recommend doing away with that high quality swivel regardless of which line you choose to run.

We all make decisions on fishing equipment every time we make a purchase. A tournament angler may have a completely different outlook than I do. Same goes for the average angler.

Looking down the road towards next year and the year after, whoever perfects this technology of thin lead core line that sinks fast, yet is durable & cost effective, that’s the line I’ll be spooling up with.
Love the concept, but in my mind, it’s not a finished product. Not yet anyway.