Lake Trout: Before or after storm?

  • pool2fool
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    #1797957

    I’m going to attempt to do some laker trolling on Grindstone this week. For the more experienced trout guys, if you had your choice of fishing either:

    – Tomorrow: 1 day into a cold front and 1 day before a 2-day period of expected heavy rain

    OR

    – Friday: 4-5 days into the front, immediately following 2 days of storms, and more rain expected the following 2 days.

    My gut is saying wait til Friday to allow the water to begin to cool?

    Beyond timing, any tips? I’ve fished Grindstone just once before and it was more of scouting mission earlier this summer. I’ve got leadcore and a good selection of cranks that should cover me from 5 ft down to 30. We’ve had a hot end to the summer, so maybe I’m dreaming. But with less than 2 weeks of the season left I’m not sure I’ll be able to get the boat up there again before it closes.

    Thanks!

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
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    #1797968

    That’s a good question. Most of my experience as you know is on Superior where weather affects water surface temperatures and where the fish are located. After a big storm, they tend to hunker down and get lockjaw. I’ve done rather well in those NE winds during what I’d consider as the beginning of a low pressure system.

    After though, tgecwater column gets really mixed up, the baitfish get very scattered and so do the fish. They scatter vertically and horizontally I guess you’d say.

    In a small inland lake where I’d bet the water temp is going to drop from cool weather and rain, you might see the fish scatter vertically. That could prove difficult or it could bring them up where they may be accessible. Hard for me to guess.

    You wanna find 48-52 degree water and fish at or just above it. These fish don’t spend a lot of time in water above say 55 degrees.

    You might wanna be prepared to fish bows if the laker thing doesn’t work out. You could probably troll 20-40’ down and find bows.

    I hope someone has better advice.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1797971

    With a world class lake Trout fishery an hour farther than grindstone, I wouldn’t hesitate to head to Superior. Even if you have a small boat. Lots of fish to be caught less than a mile from shore.

    Just gimme a shout if you want advice for fishing out there. That lake can be intimidating but it doesn’t have to be if you listen to advice.

    pool2fool
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    #1797975

    Thanks gill. I know it’s all about water temp for lake trout, just don’t know what to expect after this warm stretch.

    I would love to get on Superior but I just can’t bring myself to do it solo as a first-timer in a boat with a 15″ transom. I don’t wanna end up the subject of one of those “angler drowns, what was he thinking?” threads on IDO blush

    nhamm
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    #1797996

    I don’t wanna end up the subject of one of those “angler drowns, what was he thinking?” threads on IDO

    Oh we would be ruthless waytogo hah

    Jeff Telander
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    #1797997

    I fish grindstone quite a bit in the winter. Mostly for the little rainbows. I have trolled it before with very little success. It’s very difficult to follow a certain depth with the erratic shoreline and steep drop. Ended up running up and down the middle trying to hit the points and hoping for suspended fish and caught 0. If you have a trolling motor with the spot-lock feature, or if there is no wind try vertical jigging. Let us know how you do. Hopefully better than me!

    Dave maze
    Isanti
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    #1798012

    Every time I troll out there I get 0. Not even a hit. Maybe I’m just doing it wrong. mad

    Tom Sawvell
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    #1798018

    Thanks gill. I know it’s all about water temp for lake trout, just don’t know what to expect after this warm stretch.

    I would love to get on Superior but I just can’t bring myself to do it solo as a first-timer in a boat with a 15″ transom. I don’t wanna end up the subject of one of those “angler drowns, what was he thinking?” threads on IDO blush

    I’ve spent quite a bit of time out of Two Harbors in a 14 foot Jon Boat. Pay attention to what is happening and you’d be fine as long as you’re not running three miles out.

    Another thing with Superior, and more specifically the Two Harbors area, is that right now there will be schools of immature coho and king salmon as well as an occasional steelhead or looper to go along with the Lake Trout which are beginning their annual migration into the Duluth basin. Over the next two weeks the fishing can be nuts from the breakwater and inside the ore harbor is just as crazy on the off chance that the main lake is tossing a fit.

    Two years ago this time of the year we were out on the lake and saw a guy in a pedal powered kayak with a jury rigged down-rigger out about a mile and a half. He had two lakers in tow on a rope. I wouldn’t have been out there in a kayak but my Jon did just fine on the occasions I had it out.

    pool2fool
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    #1798019

    Oh we would be ruthless

    And I wouldn’t even be around to join in — Major FOMO!

    Appreciate the feedback guys. Maybe I should pivot and stay closer to home on my day off this week. If I do go I’ll be prepared to target other species if things are slow.

    pool2fool
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    #1798023

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>pool2fool wrote:</div>
    Thanks gill. I know it’s all about water temp for lake trout, just don’t know what to expect after this warm stretch.

    I would love to get on Superior but I just can’t bring myself to do it solo as a first-timer in a boat with a 15″ transom. I don’t wanna end up the subject of one of those “angler drowns, what was he thinking?” threads on IDO blush

    I’ve spent quite a bit of time out of Two Harbors in a 14 foot Jon Boat. Pay attention to what is happening and you’d be fine as long as you’re not running three miles out.

    Another thing with Superior, and more specifically the Two Harbors area, is that right now there will be schools of immature coho and king salmon as well as an occasional steelhead or looper to go along with the <strong class=”ido-tag-strong”>Lake Trout which are beginning their annual migration into the Duluth basin. Over the next two weeks the fishing can be nuts from the breakwater and inside the ore harbor is just as crazy on the off chance that the main lake is tossing a fit.

    Two years ago this time of the year we were out on the lake and saw a guy in a pedal powered kayak with a jury rigged down-rigger out about a mile and a half. He had two lakers in tow on a rope. I wouldn’t have been out there in a kayak but my Jon did just fine on the occasions I had it out.

    Thanks, Tom. I’ve learned a lot from reading your posts on fishing the two harbors area so I’m certainly listening.

    Correct me if I’m wrong but I think I’d have an extra week (closing Oct 7) to fish lakers on Superior -vs- inland lakes — so maybe if I’m patient I can find a nice day with favorable conditions and give it a shot inside the ore harbor.

    Part of the challenge for me is timing as well. Getting the kids to school at 8am is non-negotiable, so the further I have to drive the less time I get to fish.

    Matt Moen
    South Minneapolis
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    #1798076

    Headline:

    “Angler tries to pee off side of tiny boat in big swells and drowns.”

    Quote from wife in article “a couple real a-holes for some fishing blog made fun of him for stopping on an island to pee so he tried to pee off the side of the boat and now he’s (sniff sniff) gone.”

    Tom Sawvell
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    #1798081

    Correct me if I’m wrong but I think I’d have an extra week (closing Oct 7) to fish lakers on Superior -vs- inland lakes — so maybe if I’m patient I can find a nice day with favorable conditions and give it a shot inside the ore harbor.

    The closing for lakers bounces around from year to year but for the last couple years its been extended a week or so. That’s to your benefit since the later into October it gets, the better the trouting.

    If the water is fairly flat don’t hold yourself inside the harbor. Take a look at a lake map and locate the nice hump not far off the outside corner of the wall….3/8 mile maybe. This is doable in a 14 on nice water. Locate it and drop jigs straight down and work the top and around the edges where the drop offs are. Easy fishing. Easy to identify as it comes up to about 52 feet from 100+ feet of water. Super, super main lake structure that very doable.

    Also, run the trough that parallels the outside wall of the breakwater from beyond the point at the elbow to a couple hundred feet past the end of the wall using dipsies or lead core. This trough is real consistent 70 footish water and can hold a ton of fish at times….its real close to structure created when the breakwater was constructed which holds tons of small laker. The small fish are prime food for the big fish. And anywhere you come to a corner, turn out into the lake and swing back for the next pass….these moves tend to speed up and slow down the dipsies and lead core and these shifts in speed drive any coho or kings bonkers. Keep the boat about 100 – 150 feet off the wall and you won’t make enemies with the casters and you’ll still be in the midst of some very good fishing water.

    At the very end of the breakwater on each corner you’ll find a rock ridge that extends out from the corners. The one on the lake side can come up to about 45 feet fairly quickly and drops off again just as fast. The one on the harbor side corner is a better ridge because it stays deeper at about 60 feet. Straight off the end of the breakwater right now with higher water levels you see about 70 to 75 feet of water, maybe an 80 foot, between these rock outcroppings. Off the very end of the lake side ridge the water will drop into 110 or more feet fairly fast. On the harbor side you’ll come up from the deep center water to the 60 or so feet on the ridge top, then drop into 65or so feet as you move along the wall or into the harbor basin. Again, lead core or dipsies will put you in the zone fairly fast. Dipsies are harder to fish than the lead and maybe consider this when you opt for rigging from a smaller boat.

    Color patterns are a dime a dozen that work, but always have a gold/orange something on one of the two legal lines. Always.

    Here’s a little tid bit to consider too. The fish aren’t fond of rough water either. They seek shelter in two ways: find deeper water or find water where the wave’s surge is not as stressful….as in inside the harbor. So if the lake isn’t behaving look for you fish where you can fish safely and find fish there to get out of the ugly themselves.

    The big lake can intimidate you if you allow it to. Know your personal limits with your craft. Stay acutely aware of what’s happening around you as far as weather and especially wind. Keep your fishing techniques simple and avoid clutter in the boat. Use at least one gold/orange bait and have a good time.

    And if you still are tentative, I see 12 footers out there often enough. And Kayaks. And canoes.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
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    #1798083

    If the water is fairly flat don’t hold yourself inside the harbor. Take a look at a lake map and locate the nice hump not far off the outside corner of the wall….3/8 mile maybe. This is doable in a 14 on nice water. Locate it and drop jigs straight down and work the top and around the edges where the drop offs are. Easy fishing. Easy to identify as it comes up to about 52 feet from 100+ feet of water. Super, super main lake structure that very doable.

    Way to go Tom. You gave away my hotspot. Now everyone is going to be on it.

    Here’s a pic of what you can expect on that hump.

    Yes, those are all lake trout on that hump. So easy, a 3 year old can do it.

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    Tom Sawvell
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    #1798086

    LOL From what I see out there every day I’m up there you’re late for the game if that’s your hot spot Biggill.

    We trolled over that high 52 foot hump one morning and the fish were stacked about 7 feet deep on it. That was the first time we limited in twenty minutes. The jigging was….well, let’s just say, very good.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1798088

    Those really are lake trout stacked on that hump and that wasn’t even the best screen shot I could’ve taken.

    The funny thing is that they weren’t there in the morning or early afternoon. They only arrived in the evening.

    Im gonna go out on a limb and say tomorrow probably isn’t a good day for a 14’ boat on the Gitch.

    https://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=DLH&product=NSH&issuedby=DLH

    LSZ144-145-180415-
    Two Harbors to Duluth MN-Duluth MN to Port Wing WI-
    324 PM CDT Mon Sep 17 2018

    …SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 11 PM CDT THIS EVENING
    THROUGH TUESDAY MORNING…

    .TONIGHT…East wind 15 to 20 knots. Slight chance of showers and
    thunderstorms in the late evening and overnight. Waves 1 to
    3 feet building to 4 to 6 feet in the late evening and overnight.
    .TUESDAY…Northeast wind 10 to 15 knots. Slight chance of
    showers and thunderstorms in the morning. Waves 3 to 5 feet
    subsiding to 2 to 4 feet in the afternoon.
    .TUESDAY NIGHT…East wind 5 to 10 knots. Mostly cloudy. Waves
    2 to 4 feet.
    .WEDNESDAY…East wind 15 to 20 knots. Slight chance of rain
    showers in the morning, then chance of rain showers in the
    afternoon. Waves 2 to 4 feet.

    pool2fool
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    #1798101

    Awesome info guys.

    I’ll be sticking around here tomorrow I think, but watching the weather for a good opportunity in the near future.

    Headline:

    “Angler tries to pee off side of tiny boat in big swells and drowns.”

    Quote from wife in article “a couple real a-holes for some fishing blog made fun of him for stopping on an island to pee so he tried to pee off the side of the boat and now he’s (sniff sniff) gone.”

    Just name a fishing tournament in my honor and donate the proceeds to my kids please. The one is probably smart enough to make it on his own but the other is gonna need all the help she can get! smash

    Tom Sawvell
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    #1798130

    Pool2fool….

    You’re from St. Paul. The next day off you get hop in the car early with a longer rod that handles 6-8 pound line along with some casting lures and drive up to Two Harbors and cast the wall for a couple hours. Easy two hour drive. Leaves should offer some nice scenery and you’ll understand why fishing the big lake is such a reward.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
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    #1798153

    longer rod that handles 6-8 pound line

    Not sure if you guys are familiar with Nanofil, but I’d highly recommend 8-10#. You’ll be able to cast a country mile with that stuff. Put a 8# x 8-10’ floro leader on there too. The claims of 40% or whatever improved casing distance are 100% realistic.

    The only downside is that it frays easy and can break with the slightest defect. It’s worth it if you take care of it and keep an eye on it.

    Dusty Gesinger
    Minnetrista, Minnesota
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    #1798159

    Is suffix nanobraid any better as far as fraying? I won’t use nanofil anymore with how poorly it deals with any abrasion.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
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    #1798168

    Is suffix nanobraid any better as far as fraying? I won’t use nanofil anymore with how poorly it deals with any abrasion.

    I didn’t like it. I felt like it had similar abrasion resistance without the phenomenal casting distance. If you hate nanofil, id recommend power pro super slick. Doesn’t have the casting distance but the abrasion resistance is superior. You do get a pretty good casting distance improvement over regular braid too.

    When casting distance is your top priority, I think you need to figure out how to make nanofil work. On Superior you usually won’t be casting in places where abrasion is a problem. Keep it off the wall and you won’t have a problem.

    Tom Sawvell
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    #1798180

    Most casters are using 6-8 pound clear or camo mono. The nano and braids can be too visible if the sun is shining and the water flat. Long rods make casting long easy. I get 120 to 150 feet with a 1/2 ounce lure, more if the wind is from behind.

    If anyone wants to know what the water on the outside of the breakwater wall will look like on any given day, look at this streaming video of Duluth’s canal:

    http://www.duluthharborcam.com/p/canal-park-cams.html?m=1

    What’s seen here will be almost spot on for what the breakwater’s lake side of the wall will be like. People will get wet on that side with what’s happening here now in Duluth. If the waves do approach 6 feet as mentioned in Biggill’s report they’ll likely be close to washing over the breakwater at mid point to the end. They may in fact go over with 6 footers.

    Now using this link one can see the long arm of the breakwater that extends into the lake past the dogleg.

    http://www.duluthharborcam.com/p/two-harbors-depot-cam.html?m=1

    If one looks carefully at the end of the wall water can be seen washing around the end as waves roll along the outside of the wall. They are not rolling over yet but the waves and white caps on rollers can be seen behind the wall on the lake. There are people walking atop the breakwater. A while ago I saw two guys fishing out on the end but I would imagine that given the heavy overcast, light rain and rough water just around the corner that they threw in the towel. Personally I have been caught out there with waves breaking over the wall at the dogleg twice and getting off the structure in that condition is not fun.

    I fish every morning a few hours and every afternoon a couple hours when we’re at the cabin. We’re ten miles inland from the lake and what we have for weather can be a whole lot different than what’s taking place in town and off that breakwater so I pull up this website and watch what’s happening first using the Duluth canal link, then the Two Harbors link. If things appear to be rocking on the lake I’ll find something else to do. They do however catch fish when the lake is a little rough by casting the harbor side. One of the best winds to fish the wall is opposite of what’s making things tough there right now and is driving smack into the end of the structure. Stand on the sloped end to cast right into the teeth of the waves can get a guy cohos and kings near the surface as warmer water gets pushed straight at you and the lake trout activity will escalate pretty good further down the wall toward the dogleg.

    I’ve been casting that wall for almost thirty years now and have taken tons of fish from there. My biggest ever Laker came off that wall using 6 pound mono on an 8 foot rod and took 1 hour and 25 minutes to bring to hand. That’s been about 18 years ago now. Anyone who has spent any amount of time fishing Lake Superior will understand full what I am talking about when I say the lake has a soul. The lake has its own character just like a living creature. Pool2fool. you seem to have a bit of grit to the way you approach fishing so this is one lake I would strongly suggest you try a few times. Leave the boat at home and try the casting….spring and fall your best bets for casting but Lakers are there all summer too. Oncew you stick a 6 pound anything in that lake from the breakwater and you’ll have a whole new appreciation for the term “fighting a fish”. And you’ll be back….most likely with the boat.

    pool2fool
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    #1798282

    Thanks again for all the input guys. I WILL make it up to 2H this year.

    Went to bed last night planning to hit the st croix this morning. Forecast changed overnight and I didn’t feel like fishing in the rain. Grindstone forecast was clear so I went for it. Nothing to lose but time.

    I used the color shading in navionics to highlight the depth I wanted to fish, 30-50fow. Nice blue ribbon for that range made it pretty easy to stay on target despite the very steep drop-offs everywhere. After almost 3 hours of trolling with nada, my clicker started screaming. Game on! He went crazy for 20-30 seconds after he was hooked and then just kinda sat there, thought I lost him. Nope. Brought him to the boat nice and slow and he went nuts again up top. Lots of fun!

    Not a sea monster by any means but I’ll take it for my FIRST lake trout ever. Haven’t targeted them since I was 12 (Canada trip) until this year. Caught it pulling a clown scatter rap tail dancer on leadcore, approx 25 feet down in 40fow.

    Almost forgot — the burps were awesome!

    yay

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    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
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    #1798287

    That’s pretty awesome! applause Probably a lot harder than fishing Superior. Congrats!

    That’s actually a pretty nice laker for the grind.

    pool2fool
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    #1798362

    Thanks fellas.

    I’m investing in some snap weights before I do this again. I appreciate the utility of lead core but that fish would’ve been more fun with a little more “feel.”

    Tom Sawvell
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    #1799120

    The wind has some pretty impressive waves today that are rollin OVER the breakwater. I’ll try to get a pic after the pre-schoolers get sunk by the Bills, of all teams.

    Johnie Birkel
    South metro
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    #1799131

    Congrats!
    Just a thought if you are already putting on the miles, the Brule river can be a blast and not as weather dependent. I would rather troll on the big lake, but a fun option that is easy to pull off with the opportunity for 25 inch+ fish on light tackle.

    Johnie Birkel
    South metro
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    #1799132

    FYI- once you get hooked on trout and salmon it’s game on! There a lot of ways to cook these, but I love a soaked cedar board over charcoal. Start to Burn the board and flip it and toss the fillet on it. Just don’t over cook and you will be amazed.

    pool2fool
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    #1799313

    Congrats!
    Just a thought if you are already putting on the miles, the Brule river can be a blast and not as weather dependent. I would rather troll on the big lake, but a fun option that is easy to pull off with the opportunity for 25 inch+ fish on light tackle.

    Thanks for the ideas. I could see adding a Brule day to the end of our BWCA area trip next spring.

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