Lack of forum posts about guys buying new boats

  • TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11832
    #2105583

    The market for virtually everything is absolutely flooded with buyers right now. As the saying goes, “It’s the economy, stupid.” It’s absolutely booming and the consumer market is awash in cash buyers and cheap financed money.

    Unemployment is as close to zero as it is possible to get and both the long-term and newly-retired are sitting on top of massive gains in their retirement accounts. Basically, across every stripe of the economy with the usual (and very troubling exception of the lowest-wage workers), there is money everywhere and it is being spent as quickly as people can find something to throw it at.

    Predictions of the bust of the recreational toy market haven’t come true and they aren’t going to come true anytime soon. Here’s why:

    1. Recreational toy users don’t care about gas prices or a year of higher inflation numbers. This is not an opinion, it is fact and has been researched to death by market researchers over and over. When you put Debbie-downer economics against people having the fun they want to have, guess what? Fun wins. Nobody gets rid of thier walleye boat or ATV because gas prices went up a buck or three a gallon. Makes zero difference in the overall scheme of things. Neither does the purchase price going up buy double-digit percentages YOY. You have to have a full-on depression-style dip like the Great Recession to really impact the toy market.

    2. Pent-up demand is still huge. Boats, UTVs, pickups, cars, houses, you name it, there are still people trying to buy it because they couldn’t get it last year or the year before.

    3. Financing is still dirt cheap by historical standards. Add to this the fact that financing of recreational toys has become normalized and there is a race to get it before you can’t “afford” it due to rate increases.

    If you’re sitting on the sidelines waiting for prices to come down, you’re going to sit forever. Not going to happen. The YOY increases may slow, but you’re never going to see boats priced below the 2019 level ever again.

    Dean Marshall
    Chippewa Falls WI /Ramsey MN
    Posts: 5854
    #2105595

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Tom P. wrote:</div>
    2000 Crestliner 182 Tournament,

    Those boats are fish catching machines. I loved fishing out of the multiple 182’s I owned.

    The 182 was the very best aluminum boat I ever fished out of back in the day. Great memories spent in those boats.

    We are certainly in the middle of defining what the “new normal” looks like in the marine and several other industries…..

    Stanley
    Posts: 1108
    #2105600

    everybody knows THE best boat is your buddy’s boat.

    jester

    Isn’t that the truth, problem is I’m the buddy with the boat jester

    gim
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17834
    #2105603

    My brother in law just sold his 2015 wheel house for a 1000 bucks more than he bought it last week after using it for 6 years. LOL

    supercat
    Eau Claire, WI
    Posts: 1342
    #2105607

    What goes up must come down I’m am just starting to see it in the housing market. This looks a lot like 2006-2010.

    toddrun
    Posts: 513
    #2105612

    So what you’re saying is, if I go in this week and purchase my new GMC 1-ton diesel and also purchase my new Ranger Fisherman 620FS, by the time I take delivery on them both and get everything geared up (electronics, trolling motor, etc..), I MIGHT be able to hit the 2023 Labor Day weekend tourney?!?!?!?

    Wow, how things have changed for the consumer.

    Joe Jarl
    SW Wright County
    Posts: 1976
    #2105615

    What goes up must come down I’m am just starting to see it in the housing market. This looks a lot like 2006-2010.

    I tend to agree with this. Don’t know what it’s going to look like, but history says this market won’t last.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11889
    #2105616

    What goes up must come down I’m am just starting to see it in the housing market. This looks a lot like 2006-2010.

    Where are you seeing home prices decline? Everyone I talk to is still getting multiples over asking price.

    With the exception of another recession, I don’t think prices are coming back down on any of this stuff. Grouse’s summary is spot on imo.

    supercat
    Eau Claire, WI
    Posts: 1342
    #2105626

    Where are you seeing home prices decline? Everyone I talk to is still getting multiples over asking price.

    With the exception of another recession, I don’t think prices are coming back down on any of this stuff. Grouse’s summary is spot on imo.
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    Not seeing a decline in price, I am seeing the custom home market customers slowing there decisions or just starting to hold off on there builds.

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12103
    #2105639

    With the exception of another recession, I don’t think prices are coming back down on any of this stuff. Grouse’s summary is spot on imo.

    I have no doubt that a fairly big recession is just around the corner. With US Inflation rates at a 40 year high, a recession is almost inevitable. Our government can not artificially inflate the economy forever. They have keep interest rates at a historic low to stimulate spending, but that can not continue forever.

    buckybadger
    Upper Midwest
    Posts: 8389
    #2105646

    So what you’re saying is, if I go in this week and purchase my new GMC 1-ton diesel and also purchase my new Ranger Fisherman 620FS, by the time I take delivery on them both and get everything geared up (electronics, trolling motor, etc..), I MIGHT be able to hit the 2023 Labor Day weekend tourney?!?!?!?

    Wow, how things have changed for the consumer.

    ^…Don’t feel bad for the consumers. The consumers have 100% of the leverage, but are consciously choosing to pay for the delays, the unknowns, etc. None of these things are a surprise now. This will be the norm for as long as consumers accept it and keep shelling out the cash/loan payments.

    I was shopping for some stone for our current build. I was quoted a price, confirmed the delivery date, and let them know I’d pay COD (check/card on delivery to the build site). Fast forward to delivery date and I get a phone call that it’d be there the next week. I told them not to bother…they later left a voicemail saying they would send it anyways and contact my GC who they work with regularly. Long story short – they showed up a week later with the stone and received nothing but a “I told you not to waste your time, leave the stone in your truck” and then they got angry as they headed back on their ~30 minute one way drive. My demand simply wasn’t high enough that I wouldn’t find an alternative. I ended up calling a mason who could sell me what I needed for cash loaded right into my truck.

    buckybadger
    Upper Midwest
    Posts: 8389
    #2105651

    Where are you seeing home prices decline? Everyone I talk to is still getting multiples over asking price.

    With the exception of another recession, I don’t think prices are coming back down on any of this stuff. Grouse’s summary is spot on imo.

    Not seeing a decline in price, I am seeing the custom home market customers slowing there decisions or just starting to hold off on there builds.
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    We noticed a pretty substantial point at around ~$1000 per 1000ft as a cutoff between building like mad, and people putting things off here at the local yard. There are people who have the means to not care (a 4900sq ft custom home package just got delivered last week with $50 sheathing and $100 subfloor), and then those who are somewhere beneath that that will help set the demand curve for building. There’s such a shortage of existing homes that prices for any home under $500k in this country won’t fall. I think other bubbles in this country will burst before the housing market does. No matter what you do, people need a place to live.

    For our personal home build, we are averaged in at ~$450 per 1000ft late summer compared to today’s prices averaging ~$1450 per 1000ft. The war in Ukraine isn’t helping the situation as they export a lot of lumber and lumber products in global markets. Our contractor is booked through November of 2023 with jobs that have put down deposits. When I ask him about it with volatile energy prices and lumber prices, he says that “A lot of people think they have money and a plan going forward. We are going to find out who really does have it in a hurry.”

    bigcrappie
    Blaine
    Posts: 4376
    #2105652

    I got one of the last 2022’s of the 75 Lund Impacts ordered from Rapid last year, this year they are almost $5k more.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11832
    #2105654

    Where are you seeing home prices decline?

    If you’re shopping for a Dacha in the swank lake district outside of Moscow, for some reason prices are falling. There are also some stonking deals on boats right now. But only if you are looking to upgrade to something north of 200 feet…

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 23373
    #2105658

    Y do people think the market will correct itself. If I am manufacture seller I’m riding this as long as possible.
    Sorry I just don’t see it flipping any time soon. Cars trucks boats etc

    Right, the market has completely flipped. You are going to see them all move to a more make to order type deal with very few “inventory” items. That’s a fortune in overhead. Gone are the days of absolutely full dealership lots I believe.
    I “ordered” a 22 Sierra back in January told 4 to 5 months before it would arrive. At least I thought I did. Called the salesman to ask when he might find out when its being built because I want to order a topper and that will take 2 months. He said he hasnt even been able to actually order much of anything because its so limited. Only stripped down models. He said dont expect your truck for ANOTHER 4 to 5 months. Ugh. At least I didnt have to put a penny down on it.

    Hey
    Posts: 168
    #2105699

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Hey wrote:</div>
    Russia is one of the top 3 aluminum producers in the world.

    Prices will skyrocket and supply chains were already stressed in this market before the war.

    Yep, nickel, aluminum, and copper pricing and availability are going to get very ugly.

    For sure. Good time to pick up that lithium battery right now.

    Palladium will get ugly too. Look out for more catalytic converter thefts in the future.

    If we thought supply chains were tight with COVID. This war is about to cause chaos the likes we have never seen.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11889
    #2105704

    If you’re shopping for a Dacha in the swank lake district outside of Moscow, for some reason prices are falling. There are also some stonking deals on boats right now. But only if you are looking to upgrade to something north of 200 feet…

    Haha that could be it’s own thread, heard you can get a STEAL of a deal on Oligarch’s super yachts right now….

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11824
    #2105705

    What goes up must come down I’m am just starting to see it in the housing market. This looks a lot like 2006-2010.

    Disagree. What goes up may flatten out. Rarely does it come down.

    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11040
    #2105709

    I’m loving this crazy market. When I’m ready to upgrade my boat in a few years and everyone that bought boats because of covid has decided they actually don’t like fishing or cant afford their boat, I will swoop in a collect. The slightly used market should be flooded and cheap in a few years.

    Bearcat89
    North branch, mn
    Posts: 20815
    #2105710

    I’m loving this crazy market. When I’m ready to upgrade my boat in a few years and everyone that bought boats because of covid has decided they actually don’t like fishing or cant afford their boat, I will swoop in a collect. The slightly used market should be flooded and cheap in a few years.

    Not if grouse is correct. I can’t imagine these 90k rigs selling for 30 any time soon.

    And to the op I couldn’t imagine being the guy to tell my buddies I bought my 20 ft fishing boat for over 100k. Makes my stomach turn maybe that’s why we aren’t hearing about it. Not much to brag about

    John Rasmussen
    Blaine
    Posts: 6462
    #2105721

    My brother in law just sold his 2015 wheel house for a 1000 bucks more than he bought it last week after using it for 6 years. LOL

    He got screwed. Kidding a little but they are going for more like 5-10k more than prices 3-4 years ago. A buddy just sold his for 32k, bought it 2 years ago for 25k. Granted he bought a 22ft for 50k.

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12103
    #2105724

    I’m loving this crazy market. When I’m ready to upgrade my boat in a few years and everyone that bought boats because of covid has decided they actually don’t like fishing or cant afford their boat, I will swoop in a collect. The slightly used market should be flooded and cheap in a few years.

    That is the plan I’m going with as well. Rather or not it is a reality – Only time will tell.

    queenswake
    NULL
    Posts: 1152
    #2105728

    There is a lot to talk about surrounding this issue. But yes, my original question is probably less of because of the crazy situation right now and more of less people on the forums than their used to be.

    My question was more: When was the last time we saw someone post here about getting their new Skeeter at the Boat Center? Just a few years ago, there were a lot of them. For guys looking for Alumacrafts, the sheer number of them talking about the dealer down south. So many Competitor tillers alone being shown off on delivery day.

    All of these boats being sold across every single brand and none of the stories behind them. I love looking at boats and talking about them and see how guys rigged them. I don’t like the FB format as it’s hard to have any kind of lengthy discussion before the post disappears from view. But sadly, that’s where things are headed.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11889
    #2105735

    I’m loving this crazy market. When I’m ready to upgrade my boat in a few years and everyone that bought boats because of covid has decided they actually don’t like fishing or cant afford their boat, I will swoop in a collect. The slightly used market should be flooded and cheap in a few years.

    Well we are on year 2 of that wish, so I’d like that to happen before my kids reach their teenage years… rotflol

    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13651
    #2105736

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>supercat wrote:</div>
    What goes up must come down I’m am just starting to see it in the housing market. This looks a lot like 2006-2010.

    Where are you seeing home prices decline? Everyone I talk to is still getting multiples over asking price.

    With the exception of another recession, I don’t think prices are coming back down on any of this stuff. Grouse’s summary is spot on imo.

    Dropping all over the place. Isolated markets still have stupid buyers over paying – typically closer to big city markets. Bedroom communities have dropped a lot since last July. Naturally some markets like Minneapolis may still be up. Denver/front range and Steamboat are still up while 35 minutes out of those markets have dropped 5-25%. Across WY, Sheridan, Jackson, are super strong, yet surrounding areas have dropped. Spearfish, Rapids, and a few are great and yet not far away has dropped.
    My clients for new construction are passing on the premium in new because the recent deals to be had to markets all over the country. They’re buying and converting to Airbnb/vrbo homes.

    Builders that I partner with across Colorado, Tennessee, Kentucky, Illinois Wyoming,Kansas, Utah, WI, are all experiencing the same. If your plan is to forecast the real estate market for above values I would look to tighter to big city markets. The outer “bedroom” communities are dropping and will continue to do so. Historically when gas and living expenses increase, people lower housing costs.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11824
    #2105756

    I don’t know what you guys are talking about of boats being overpriced. whistling

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    keppenhiemer
    (507) MN
    Posts: 142
    #2105795

    $1,250 for a 1996 17′ ranger 207t (barn find) toasted motor, rotted floors mouse chewed wires complete restoration.

    $6500 newer 2008 merc four stroke +$850 for big tiller +$250 used trophy prop
    $1200 in wood, aluminum, perco latches, led lights, ss bolts, rivets, hinges
    $850 in wire, connectors, pumps, aerators, plumbing 3 batteries
    $250 in eva foam exercise mats, carpet and contact adhesive, boat paint
    $2800 ultrex i pilot link
    $600 used 8′ talon (had to fix)
    $6000 or so in electronics 5 graphs 3 on bow 2 at tiller, including 93sv livescope and HB 360 imaging

    just over $20,000 and about 160 man hours into a 1996 boat

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    MX1825
    Posts: 3319
    #2105802

    Right, the market has completely flipped. You are going to see them all move to a more make to order type deal with very few “inventory” items. That’s a fortune in overhead. Gone are the days of absolutely full dealership lots I believe.
    I “ordered” a 22 Sierra back in January told 4 to 5 months before it would arrive. At least I thought I did. Called the salesman to ask when he might find out when its being built because I want to order a topper and that will take 2 months. He said he hasnt even been able to actually order much of anything because its so limited. Only stripped down models. He said dont expect your truck for ANOTHER 4 to 5 months. Ugh. At least I didnt have to put a penny down on it.
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    Cmusky

    With no deposit down are you sure your truck wasn’t delivered and sold to somebody else for more $$$$???
    It has happened.

    Deuces
    Posts: 5268
    #2105807

    $1,250 for a 1996 17′ ranger 207t (barn find) toasted motor, rotted floors mouse chewed wires complete restoration.

    Sweeeet rig and resto, well done toast toast

    DaveB
    Inver Grove Heights MN
    Posts: 4497
    #2105810

    I will sell my 2009 Sylvan 14′ w/ 25 hp 4 stroke, a tank of gas last for a month, $15,750, no lowball offers, I know what I have.

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