Kindergarten Closed……Now What????

Brad Dimond wrote:

No, the Bible has nothing to do with it. Check out the information on his web site and perspectives from other medical professionals. Holistic medicine works well for individuals, doesn’t work well for public health. It don’t scale…

Unless I missed it, there is absolutely zero time in the video where he is talking about holistic medicine. Yes in the one part he is talking about getting and staying healthy, but that is far from anything holistic, that is fact. And the last two minutes he’s bible thumping(which can be ignored). However the first half of the video he is showing well thought out and verifiable data which shows what is going on with the “pandemic” and how it is (for the most part) OVER. Not something the bought and paid for media wants you to see.

In the spring no one really knew just what to expect from Covid, and most states took broad, radical measures trying to control the disease. At economic and social cost, this approach was pretty successful in managing the pace of spread such that medical services were not overwhelmed.

Throughout the summer most of those limitations were removed nationwide, and everyone also got pretty bored with isolation. With fall upon us, schools and universities have resumed. Tons more social contact than what was happening in spring and early summer.

And so, we’re now at the front end of an uncontrolled fire of spreading disease. University students at the bars is one thing if they were to limit their contacts to others their age, but they don’t. And all those school kids go home to people who aren’t kids, and there will be a follow-on uptick in serious cases and hospitalizations as non-vulnerable kids spead the illness to more vulnerable adults and seniors. Thankfully death rates have remained low.

Wisconsin’s data:

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Just my 2 cents. When college students went back to college they were getting random testing in which the amount of test has increased. I guess what I’m trying to say I don’t think we seen a spike in actual cases they were always there we just didn’t know about them. It seems there is no one that is a complete expert on this virus and it seems once the media doesn’t talk about it, it goes by the wayside. I know it will be years before we know the actual outcome but we have to resume somewhat of normal.

Michael C. Winther wrote:

And so, we’re now at the front end of an uncontrolled fire of spreading disease.

No, we’re not. Overlay that data with tests if you want to get an idea of what’s really going on. The spike is from an increase in tests, particularly among that age group who were previously only tested if symptomatic. Or compare it to hospitalizations and deaths to see the impact and trend. Deaths and Hospitalizations are in line with what has been going on in Wisconsin since May.

WI Deaths: https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/covid-19/deaths.htm

WI Hospitalizations: https://projects.jsonline.com/topics/coronavirus/tracking/covid-19-cases-testing-and-deaths-in-wisconsin.html

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munchy wrote:

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I just bumped up the Covid Facts and Science thread where we were tracking the supposed demise of FL, TX and AZ….which are now on a steady and drastic decline in Deaths and Hospitalizations.

Until they have a test with FAR fewer false readings I’m not going to believe any of the Data I’m seeing. I know of far more people who have had a False positive test than those who have had a TRUE positive test ( Confirmed with a different/better Test ) The rate of false positive test to true positive test for those i know who have been tested is 5-1. That’s 5 people who tested as positive on the original test and were later determined to be Negative ( 2nd test ) to the 1 person who tested positive on the original test and was Found to be positive on the 2nd test as well. This whole thing is a total mess. I don’t think things are going to get better till there is a reliable vaccination for it ( if that is even possible ). Last I saw there was over 30 Vaccines ready for Human Trials. Historically less than 10% of vaccines that start clinical trials make it till the end of the trial. I’ve been told by several people who work in Medical vaccine testing that any vaccine available till next April or May did not go thru all the Normal human Trials. I guess that means there is only 7-8 more months for people to debate what is right or wrong when it comes to this Crap.

BigWerm wrote:

No, we’re not. Overlay that data with tests if you want to get an idea of what’s really going on. The spike is from an increase in tests, particularly among that age group who were previously only tested if symptomatic.

Okay, let’s do that.
While setting consecutive daily records for the most positive cases in raw numbers (see earlier graphs), Wisconsin is also setting records for the percentage of tests that are positive.
– 9/14/20: 19.7%
– 9/15/20: 11.0%
– 9/16/20: 11.5%
– 9/17/20: 17.8%
– 9/18/20: 19.4%
– 9/19/20: 18.3%
– 9/20/20: 20.0%

And yes, thankfully hospitalizations and deaths have remained low, but as I mentioned earlier it is a lagging indicator. These numbers point to the real risk of a follow-on increase in medical issues among more vulnerable age groups in the coming weeks.

No comment on any of the BS you all are flinging back and forth at each other. But as to the original question … what are you supposed to do when school shuts down …

Under federal law, through December 31st, there is up to 12 weeks of paid leave for a parent to take care of kids who can’t go to school or daycare. 2/3rds pay up to $200/day plus health insurance. It’s 100% paid for by the federal government and applies to all employers with fewer than 500 employees, though employers with fewer than 50 employees can opt out of the childcare pay.

Here’s a poster from DOL: https://www.dol.gov/sites/dolgov/files/WHD/posters/FFCRA_Poster_WH1422_Non-Federal.pdf

Also, I believe Bearcat and B-Man are both union laborers? Call the union and I suspect they’ll help you figure it out.

You can [thank/blame] the [President/Democrats/Republicans] for this. Or not.

Currently, ~7 months of COVID has surpassed the 3rd deadliest war in US history. We are closing in on WWII levels of death, WE CAN DO THIS GUYS!

Better check your numbers first, if you are referring to US military casualties we would be half way if you actually believe all of the covid deaths are actually and 100% from covid. Total WW2 deaths is somewhere in the 60-72 million.

john23 wrote:

You can [thank/blame] the [President/Democrats/Republicans] for this. Or not.

Haha nailed it! That’s perfect, and I wish all the banter would end there.

You can hide I’m sending my children to school. What you do with yours is up to you. Also our solders of war are the best of the best not nursing home patients.

I’m not advocating that rights be taken away or anything. I wasn’t really an all-out “shelter in place” person by any means. I tried to be responsible and stay moderate throughout. However, what are people’s opinions on what we’d be doing now had everyone literally stopped what they were doing for just 4 weeks this Spring? I’m talking hardcore, stay at home…no school…no work…no nothing and shut things down like some did. I’m thinking Covid would be an essential afterthought. Hindsight is 20-20 for everyone, myself included. A lot of the local businesses here may be in far better shape had they and everyone else shut down abruptly for a month or so.

If I’m a business owner, I’d rather get punched hard once in the face than be bleeding for months on end.

buckybadger wrote:

I’m not advocating that rights be taken away or anything. I wasn’t really an all-out “shelter in place” person by any means. I tried to be responsible and stay moderate throughout. However, what are people’s opinions on what we’d be doing now had everyone literally stopped what they were doing for just 4 weeks this Spring? I’m talking hardcore, stay at home…no school…no work…no nothing and shut things down like some did. I’m thinking Covid would be an essential afterthought. Hindsight is 20-20 for everyone, myself included. A lot of the local businesses here may be in far better shape had they and everyone else shut down abruptly for a month or so.

If I’m a business owner, I’d rather get punched hard once in the face than be bleeding for months on end.

We’d likely be in better shape, but it’s a total fantasy. I just can’t envision a scenario where Americans would comply with that.

Bryson De Flambeau wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>supercat wrote:</div>
Currently, ~7 months of COVID has surpassed the 3rd deadliest war in US history. We are closing in on WWII levels of death, WE CAN DO THIS GUYS!

Better check your numbers first, if you are referring to US military casualties we would be half way if you actually believe all of the covid deaths are actually and 100% from covid. Total WW2 deaths is somewhere in the 60-72 million.

Whoooooaaaa we’re halfway theeerrre,

WHOOOOAAAA, COVID’S ON A TEARRRR.

WW1 casualties, 116,000. COVID, 200,000, BOOM ROASTED. WW1 has been totally dominated.

WWII casualties, ~400,000.

Some forecasts have us at 400,000+ by the end of the year, WE CAN DO THIS GUYS!

WWII was weak, we can show all those old farts that their sacrifices were worth it. 400,000 deaths in ~4 years is total weak sauce. WE CAN SHOW THEM HOW TO DO THIS. 400,000 IN LESS THAN A YEAR BABY WOOOOOOO!!!!! WHO NEEDS NAZIS AND JAPANESE TO KILL US, WE WILL KILL OURSELVES WITHOUT THEIR HELP.

LETS KEEP THIS ECONOMY GOING BABY!!!! What do kids, teachers, doctors, minimum wage slaves have in common? THEY ARE EXPENDABLE FOR OUR LORD AND SAVIOR THE ECONOMY, POWERED BY AWS.

Fist bump on the Bon Jovi.

Michael C. Winther wrote:

And yes, thankfully hospitalizations and deaths have remained low, but as I mentioned earlier it is a lagging indicator. These numbers point to the real risk of a follow-on increase in medical issues among more vulnerable age groups in the coming weeks.

Deaths/Hospitalizations are a lagging indicator if the case increase is among the most at risk, but as your graph pointed out it’s predominantly among 18-24 year olds.

But Bryson signed up for IDO just to douche a thread, so I don’t see this one lasting much longer.

Bryson, I ask you to please leave this thread alone, unless you have some input as to what you are doing with school age children not being able to attend school.

There are other Covid threads you can play in.

This one is about alternatives for working parents when schools are closed.

Thanks

Thanks for the insight….

B-man wrote:

Bryson, I ask you to please leave this thread alone, unless you have some input as to what you are doing with school age children not being able to attend school.

There are other Covid threads you can play in.

This one is about alternatives for working parents when schools are closed.

Thanks

Aren’t you the cutest little hypocrite.
Bryson disrupts your echo chamber and suddenly you want logic and reason.

Speaking of medicine, safe to say someone forgot to take there’s today…

I would say, it seems that more than one forgot.

Bryson, thank you for the entertainment. I love it.

Sadly you’ll probably get booted or threads blocked because you are calling out some of the very regular, far fetched stances on the topic that this place sometimes embraces. I wonder if we should just pin a thread around here that says: Covid isn’t real. Clear, Concise, and accurate in many people’s minds.

Michael C. Winther wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>BigWerm wrote:</div>
No, we’re not. Overlay that data with tests if you want to get an idea of what’s really going on. The spike is from an increase in tests, particularly among that age group who were previously only tested if symptomatic.

Okay, let’s do that.
While setting consecutive daily records for the most positive cases in raw numbers (see earlier graphs), Wisconsin is also setting records for the percentage of tests that are positive.
– 9/14/20: 19.7%
– 9/15/20: 11.0%
– 9/16/20: 11.5%
– 9/17/20: 17.8%
– 9/18/20: 19.4%
– 9/19/20: 18.3%
– 9/20/20: 20.0%

And yes, thankfully hospitalizations and deaths have remained low, but as I mentioned earlier it is a lagging indicator. These numbers point to the real risk of a follow-on increase in medical issues among more vulnerable age groups in the coming weeks.

Get out of here with your data! That’s false. Two guys I know said that’s fake. So did this one dad with a diesel truck and a belt clip phone case. If only we had finished that wall to keep people like you out!

The school closing thing is going to be rough for awhile I think. Chaska/Chan is going in the right direction so far, announced adding in person days for high school kids soon. In Germany every kid in school gets two fast acting tests a week. It would have been nice if we would have prioritized school months ago

We are heading back tomorrow for 50% – fingers crossed.

We’ve been full time since September 8th. There are anywhere from 13-16 kids in any given class.(pretty small compared to most schools) Just got the call last night.. Too many teachers tested positive so, school is shut down immediately. No school today or tomorrow while they figure out how to do the distance learning thru October 2nd. Fortunately for us, our kids are old enough to be home while we work. It still sucks…

Fish To Escape wrote:

The school closing thing is going to be rough for awhile I think. Chaska/Chan is going in the right direction so far, announced adding in person days for high school kids soon. In Germany every kid in school gets two fast acting tests a week. It would have been nice if we would have prioritized school months ago

But doesn’t Germany have this pretty well under control? Sounds like they have a testing strategy…

Most schools will add in person days rather than distance learning because of the volleyball and football decisions. Distance learning only cannot participate.

BigWerm wrote:

Deaths/Hospitalizations are a lagging indicator if the case increase is among the most at risk, but as your graph pointed out it’s predominantly among 18-24 year olds.

I think the concern is that younger people’s social behavior speeds the spread to each other (current trends), but they then also have contact with older people who are more vulnerable such as family members or co-workers (lagging indicator). One way or the other, we’ll know in a month.

I’m on the board of the parochial school where my son attends and I voted in favor of in-person school 5 days per week. If/when cases appear, we will be sending individual classrooms home for 2 weeks of virtual learning and not shutting the whole school down. So, I’m not by any means advocating for shutting things down, just pointing out the facts that show there are some real problems occurring right now with the spread – moreso than at any point previously.

Yeah you had me there until you snuck in the political propaganda message at the end. Fail to see how not saying the pledge of allegiance before class has led to the mishandling of education during a once in a 100 year pandemic.

(Whether you believe the pandemic is real is irrelevant because it’s being treated that way.)