Kindergarten Closed……Now What????

I’m no Dr. but I’d think the more kids are exposed to it the better. Build immunity.

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>B-man wrote:</div>
I don’t fully understand the schools decision for “closing” in the first place…..Healthy kids and healthy teachers have almost nothing to worry about.

Because if they stay open, they risk of cases multiplying and then a 2 week shutdown turns into a 2 month shutdown.

It’d be nice if everything was just about you and your kids, but it isn’t. There are hundreds of other families in your district that would be impacted if the school had to shut down long term.

And who do you think is going to get sued if a child contracts COVID and dies?

But I’m guessing you don’t care about any of this.

Grouse

Do you understand how many kids actually have died from Covid? Right now the chances are so miniscule. And if a parent is afraid to send their child back to school, then don’t, but don’t handcuff the parents who actually understand reality.

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I’m guessing it has a lot to do with the teachers too. There isn’t enough of them to begin with. There aren’t enough subs either. There’s probably going to be more of these closures before it’s all over.

Before we knew much about the virus. Excusable.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2020/08/25/boston-coronavirus-superspreading-event/

Last month. Inexcusable.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/09/15/maine-wedding-covid/

Munchy wrote “Do you understand how many kids actually have died from Covid? Right now the chances are so miniscule. And if a parent is afraid to send their child back to school, then don’t, but don’t handcuff the parents who actually understand reality.”

Do you understand that the staff at schools are not kids and that a large percentage are in higher risk categories – age, underlying health conditions, etc.?

Also, do you understand that kids can spread COVID even if they rarely die from it? Siblings, parents, grandparents, neighbors and others are at increased risk if exposed to infected (even if asymptomatic) kids.

munchy wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>TheFamousGrouse wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>B-man wrote:</div>
I don’t fully understand the schools decision for “closing” in the first place…..Healthy kids and healthy teachers have almost nothing to worry about.

Because if they stay open, they risk of cases multiplying and then a 2 week shutdown turns into a 2 month shutdown.

It’d be nice if everything was just about you and your kids, but it isn’t. There are hundreds of other families in your district that would be impacted if the school had to shut down long term.

And who do you think is going to get sued if a child contracts COVID and dies?

But I’m guessing you don’t care about any of this.

Grouse

Do you understand how many kids actually have died from Covid? Right now the chances are so miniscule. And if a parent is afraid to send their child back to school, then don’t, but don’t handcuff the parents who actually understand reality.

All fun & games until it’s one of your kids on the chart.

Before we loop back to the “influenza is just as deadly” argument, here are CDC stats on U.S. deaths from influenza since 2010:

Season Deaths
2010–2011 37,000
2011–2012 12,000
2012–2013 43,000
2013–2014 38,000
2014–2015 51,000
2015–2016 23,000
2016–2017 38,000
2017–2018 61,000
2018–2019 34,000
Total 337,000

In seven months COVID has killed 200,000 people in the U.S. That’s about 60% of the deaths from influenza over nine years, average monthly deats from COVID are nine times greater than average influenza over the 2010-2019 period.

Kids going to school is not more important than cutting the death toll from COVID IMHO.

Are you guys suggesting that it hasn’t spread to each and everyone of your communities? Stop or slow the spread??? It is here.

Kids fatality is way less than kids death in an average flu season.

I wonder if we write an article about every person’s life that is currently hospitalized in MN. Would we feel bad about everyone’s story or would we only feel bad for the Covid patients?

Anything outside of serious hospitalizations and death is just life.

I’m suggesting nothing. The fact is if ANYBODY of authority wants to shut a school down for the safety of kids I’m all for it. I would much rather have a alive stupid kid then a dead smart kid.

We aren’t talking about people at the end of their life span, we are talking about kids just starting life.

I feel sorry for those who put their lives, economy, ect in front of the safety of kids.

For those who NEED to send your kids to school. James suggested private schools. Send your kids there, they will be safe.

OK, you all can continue now.

We are in a weird timeline of human evolution where the timid and fearful among us are able to effectively impose their anxieties on everyone else though the rule of government. In any other age they would simply be relegated to suffer in their own self-imposed misery the while the rest of humanity carried on with the necessary work of existence and progress. And be under no illusion that their affliction will subside over time. Anxiety knows only escalation of panic and avoidance of the new and unknown. They will smother and retard human progress for ages to come.

And will anyone be held accountable for the death and despair and ruin caused by the government imposed lockdowns? Of course they won’t.

My father means the world to me, and I’m appreciating every last day, week,…. I have him alive to pester the crap out of me. He’s in failing health, and I clearly know the inevitable will come. I live in reality, not a fantasy. My wife has a very similar situation with her family.

Additionally I work with a number of men/women that have some form of ailments. Cancer survivors, mersa (so?) and so on.

So until we really know the lasting affects of this, I chose to error to caution. This COVID crap has taken 3 people I know. Two of which had NO history of any medical conditions. Their lungs filled with fluid and they basically drowned in their own bodily fluid.

Couple more people I know have had months of prolonged respiratory problems even though they are now testing negative. Few others I know have recovered and appear to be perfectly fine. So who really knows what this is doing to us?

Now, my wife works in education, I have a daughter that is a teacher, and we have many in our family that works in various schools. Do we really need to escalate the risk when we know very little? Every Tom, dick, and Harry sites statistics from somewhere. But we haven’t really learned what the true long term affects may be. Yes, this may be an over reaction – may be not.

So the real question, how do you balance both sides of the equation? We can both take extreme views and I can see you for a self centered jack wad that simply doesn’t give a F_>% about anyone else OR we explore how to find a way to work together to satisfy each of our needs. But to put the blinders on and not recognize the other sides view doesn’t help the situation

I know it’s everyone’s right to have an opinion, but really…it seems some need to get a prescription for Ativan.

Brian Klawitter wrote:

I know it’s everyone’s right to have an opinion, but really…it seems some need to get a prescription for Ativan. [/quote

I can get you a good deal!

B-man wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>buckybadger wrote:</div>
A school is not a private daycare that angry parents run. They’re following guidelines they were given. If you don’t like it, try homeschooling or paying to send them somewhere else.

Most employers are far more understanding than people give them credit for. Let them know your situation. Network with other parents about ideas. Find HS or College kids who are home. Consider taking PTO and enjoying a Fall week with your children.

Nobody asked for this (schools included). Millions of parents are being forced to make changes. Putting a positive spin on it that you could get to spend more time with your kids is the way to go.

A week or four won’t be the end of the world, my wife can use PTO and sick time.

….but if (or more than likely when) elementary school is closed indefinitely….we will run into a big predicament. But thankfully the school will likely allow us to pay a them a couple thousand dollars a month to keep them there….even though they’re “shut down”

I don’t fully understand the schools decision for “closing” in the first place…..Healthy kids and healthy teachers have almost nothing to worry about. In addition, everyone at the school was wearing masks, which we all know are 100% effective, they go right along with the 60% accurate tests…..Why not let healthy people live their lives and our economy roll.

Good luck to you all in 2020.

I’m off to a wedding today with 300 other people.

Hopefully 10 or 12 of us are alive by the end of the month.

When the government calls me for trace contacting on Tuesday I’m going to say I was never there….Because if I do, myself and crew will be out of work collecting “free” money from our employer….It’s not right or fair to a business.

One of our subcontractors just went through the exact scenario…..and nobody was even sick, but the company paid out untold thousands in payroll with no production to cover it. The sad thing is it’s not even equivalent to a molecule of a drop of water in the ocean of debt we’re filling.

How long can that go on?? All to theoretically save an elderly person that should be self quarantining in the first place??

Does anyone else see the forest through the trees???? Or is ‘the mask’ obstructing your vision….???

Wait….

So you state that schools closing for big chunks of time is an issue that is overwhelming or “a big predicament” which nobody is arguing.

Then, you proceed (in the same post), to state that if called by public health to contact trace exposures and cases after attending a 300 person wedding, you’d lie to them. I’ve been to weddings but would gladly cooperate if an outbreak happened or cases.

Do you not comprehend that what will lead to long-term school closures is community spreading and people lying/refusing to contact trace?

I’m not sure if that’s stupidity, or ignorance. Clearly one or the other.

Randy Wieland wrote:

So the real question, how do you balance both sides of the equation? We can both take extreme views and I can see you for a self centered jack wad that simply doesn’t give a F_>% about anyone else OR we explore how to find a way to work together to satisfy each of our needs. But to put the blinders on and not recognize the other sides view doesn’t help the situation

We need so much more of this attitude. Many, if not most people make EVERYTHING polarizing. COVID, politics, riots, police, race, etc. A person wanting businesses to be free to open and manage themselves doesn’t necessarily want everyone to die, just the same as people who shrug and comply with a mask mandate without being butthurt aren’t necessarily “sheep.” You can say “you know what, black lives do matter and I wish they would improve” while also saying “damn I respect the hell out of police and support them 100%.”

I’m with you Randy. If we all overreact to COVID, and in some cases it looks like we might have, we’ll adjust and move on. But as you show, people have died from it. I know my aging grandpa, my parents in their 60’s/70’s, my wife, my 2-yr-old, and my 3-month-old, will all die eventually, but I’d rather not get to that day any sooner than I need to.

James Holst wrote:

Maybe consider a private school versus having momn or dad quit their job? My daughter’s school has been open since June offering summer programs and the school year started as per usual this fall.

Well; most young couples just cannot afford to send two kids to private school and still pay for daycare for younger child.
Not everyone who can drop the kids off and go fishing at the drop of the hat.
Funny.

One thing that would help give parents a choice in where to send their children to school is called school choice or school vouchers. Parents would receive tax credits or vouchers that could be used to pay for private school tuition. Fund students rather than bureaucratic school districts. Of course the government school teachers unions are against it because they are deathly afraid of competition.

Imagine if you paid a private school $14,000 in tuition

Then imagine they refused to open their doors and kept your money. Then imagine they forced you to continue paying for the service they were no longer providing.

That would be considered unlawful extortion.

Yet that’s essentially what some public school districts are doing.

I believe the governor gave each district the opportunity to make their own decisions and be flexible on this. To expect that in person learning was going to occur just like it would every other school year is nieve and unrealistic. There are going to be adjustments made regularly until this problem goes away.

Snap wrote:

One thing that would help give parents a choice in where to send their children to school is called school choice or school vouchers. Parents would receive tax credits or vouchers that could be used to pay for private school tuition. Fund students rather than bureaucratic school districts. Of course the government school teachers unions are against it because they are deathly afraid of competition.

Imagine if you paid a private school $14,000 in tuition

Then imagine they refused to open their doors and kept your money. Then imagine they forced you to continue paying for the service they were no longer providing.

That would be considered unlawful extortion.

Yet that’s essentially what some public school districts are doing.

Very sad to see many people with a similar opinion to this. It’s very obvious your not informed to what the costs are related to this COVID poop. Furthermore, districts like ours vowed to contain cost and not add more to the tax burden just because they can.

Then would you please come down and donate time like 20 to 30 hours a week unpaid. People act like good teachers are nothing more than their dam baby sitter. The teachers in our family are doing everything in duplicates and recorded lessons, revising lessons to be more “grand-parent friendly, blah blah blah. If you only had a clue to how much time this has taken from good teachers that will never be compensated for all the extra work they do. Are there shitty teachers doing the bare minimum- yes. But those losers are such a small percentage. Just like crappy cops. There are a few bad ones, but the vast majority work hard and dam cheap because they CARE. Too bad urine poor uneducated dumbasses think so little of them. Well think long and hard about your post tonight while thinking about my wife and daughter tutoring kids that desperately need the help to learn on their own time. District didn’t ask, principal didn’t ask, no one asked. They just go the extra miles because they want every child to succeed. Keep that in mind the next time your measly taxes go up 100 or so.

Well said Randy! My dad was a retired teacher and I remember many nights growing up he was always correcting papers and making notes

Very sad to see many people with a similar opinion to this.

It’s sad that people would think it’s sad to expect to receive the service they paid for.

Nowhere in my post did I mention anything about teachers. Yet you respond emotionally as though I did. Good teachers are priceless. That has nothing to do with what I wrote.

Do you have any specific issues with the topics I actually raised? e.g. Allow parents more choice on where to send their kids to school? Allow the education money to fund students rather than school districts? Receiving the service you paid for?

Keep that in mind the next time your measly taxes go up 100 or so.

wish that was case here, went up over grand here,closed down small schools to build one new big new school, sure would be nice to have those neighborhood schools back now!

Keep that in mind the next time your measly taxes go up 100 or so.

wish that was case here, went up over grand here,closed down small schools to build one new big new school, sure would be nice to have those neighborhood schools back now!

Snap wrote:

Do you have any specific issues with the topics I actually raised? e.g. Allow parents more choice on where to send their kids to school? Allow the education money to fund students rather than school districts? Receiving the service you paid for?

Parents would receive tax credits or vouchers that could be used to pay for private school tuition. Fund students rather than bureaucratic school districts. Of course the government school teachers unions are against it because they are deathly afraid of competition.

Wi has choices and the unions don’t carry the power they once did. Ya, I took a more emotional response, not specifically at you, but the larger scale I hear or read people assume all districts are a bureaucratic crap hole. I have family working in Kenosha, Waukesha, Oconomowoc, Watertown, price, Jefferson, and other districts. Repeatedly I read so much negativity about how the districts are responding to people’s needs. Though you didn’t say it, so many others act as if the schools are their daycare. They are not, they are educational institutions.

So besides face to face, what significant services are not provided? You have teachers and staff working double time to ensure they are modifying lessons to adapt to our current circumstances. Teachers, principals, counselors and others are making themselves available well into late evenings to assist parents and help with curriculum items. IT personal are working around the clock to keep up with the extreme networking issues they are encountering. Most districts are proving the technology for virtual access and proving the training and assistance. Not all, but some districts are providing a drive-through meal/lunch program for those families in need.
That list can go on and on. The districts are still paying salaries and have operating costs. So we are getting what we paid for and receiving a lot more.

As for the what if you pay tuition at a private school and don’t receive what you paid for? First, I would read the contract. I went to a private school and my parents had to sign a contract. Spelled out all the terms and conditions. When I was asked to leave ( well, told to leave) my parents were still liable for tuition and other costs. So if the school fails to fulfill their obligations, take them to court. If they are forced to close because a pandemic hit and they have language that covers it, well accept the terms of the contract. Just like all the kids that paid thousands of dollars to be in college this fall. See where that’s going right now.

The only thing I don’t see people getting is the “daycare”. That is not the district’s responsibility. No different than if a child is too sick to be in school. It’s the parent’s responsibility to provide for their daily care. Unfortunately in that case, too many “parents” just send their sick kid to school because they are to lazy or too cheap to take responsibility for their family.

Snap, nothing I wrote is an attack on you and not intended to be. When I read into the bureaucratic school districts and unions, I get quite defensive. So few people know how long and hard people at all levels – para’s, secretary’s, teachers, administrators are all working to get through this.

I know a few schools in north, we are promised until September for school and then homeschool for the rest of the year.

So ducking stupid my kid is So sad that he won’t see any of his friends anymore this school year.

I guess all I have to say is how couldn’t you see this coming and plan ahead. Good luck parents. It’s going to be an interesting winter.

Dusty Gesinger wrote:

I guess all I have to say is how couldn’t you see this coming and plan ahead. Good luck parents. It’s going to be an interesting winter.

We all seen it coming i would think. But it does suck its a reality.

And for every one saying I dont see how your employer doesn’t work with you to work from home, I’d say you are not in the infrastructure of the world.
When you leave the office and complain about something. Or how excited u might be about a new office, that doesn’t come around by itself. It’s guys like us.
Same with when your sewer doesn’t work and your road is to rough to drive down. Or the huge tree fell over your road and you can’t leave the neighborhood. Its us guys that make it happen. We don’t all have jobs that pay from home.
It proves to the big numbers of us infrastructure guys that the world would go round without half the dipshits on the road but all those dipshits need our roads and buildings for the world to go round

Sorry dusty I didn’t mean to quote u

I assume minnesotas no kid left behind is way out the window?
Last year at the beginning of this home school and I didnt get how or what to do, no one ever helped from The district. They just pushed him from 3rd to 4th. I wasn’t even ok with that. They just did it and collected the public fund money, without making a true solution for kids like my son

Its also crazy to me how you all claim to k ow all these people who are extremely susceptible to covid and all these other things, what about the special education kids that need more then the regular.
Are they all just on there own and the mom just needs to figure it out because you or your sister might get ill?. But qt the same time you use a cloth mask at Walmart to play your part.
I could go on and on like randy did. We all have a part we all have a role.
Be responsible and help it. Till then don’t eat everything they say. Half the covid deaths are hard to believe when then can’t take a accurate real test. But are so fast to say
Yup they died because covid 19.

Be responsible be respectful

I also have teachers in my family. 8 to be exact and all of them also have a opinion. But we only look at the older ones who take 3 weeks off a school year any ways. None of the young ones who have to work everyday

B-man wrote:

Good luck to you all in 2020.

I’m off to a wedding today with 300 other people.

Hopefully 10 or 12 of us are alive by the end of the month.

When the government calls me for trace contacting on Tuesday I’m going to say I was never there….Because if I do, myself and crew will be out of work collecting “free” money from our employer….It’s not right or fair to a business.

One of our subcontractors just went through the exact scenario…..and nobody was even sick, but the company paid out untold thousands in payroll with no production to cover it. The sad thing is it’s not even equivalent to a molecule of a drop of water in the ocean of debt we’re filling.

How long can that go on?? All to theoretically save an elderly person that should be self quarantining in the first place??

Does anyone else see the forest through the trees???? Or is ‘the mask’ obstructing your vision….???

While I agree that you have the right to decide the wedding is more important than your job, your employer or your crew, you show your true self when you say you would lie when called for trace contacting. It shows you don’t have the guts to accept responsibility for your own actions.