Kids and Sports Today

  • B-man
    Posts: 5985
    #1916158

    I didn’t want to de-rail the 20-30 year thread, so starting a new one to keep this topic here.

    WHY ARE KIDS SPORTS SO INVOLVED THESE DAYS???

    I’ve read on countless threads over the years about guys bitching that kids sports are pushed way too hard…….too many practices…..too many days a week…..every weekend filled up…..etc

    (And I agree wholeheartedly from how bad it sounds these days)

    My question is why??? Why are young kids pushed so hard??? Who’s behind it?

    Is it the parents pushing for more?

    The coaches?

    The kids?

    The school?

    Brad Dimond
    Posts: 1490
    #1916168

    My experience coaching youth baseball and football is that it is the parents. The kids love to play but aren’t driven to be the star, asking the coach to stay late and throw extra batting practice, etc. It is parents who push on the coaches and other parents that create friction. I coached house leagues and traveling, had a blast doing it. One thing I made sure to do was talk to coaching partners to ensure they shared my perspective, that the objectives were to teach skills and have fun. Overall we had a blast. A few parents were annoying, I have a big enough personality that they could not back me down. Most parents were great, volunteered to run concessions, help transport kids to away games and the like.

    It seems to have made a positive impression on my 25 year old son. He has coached AAU basketball for the past three years and loves it.

    Deuces
    Posts: 5272
    #1916171

    Having kids in sports for over a decade now, I see it as a natural progression. Sure there are those crazy parents, sure there are those coaches who take it to far, but all these instances are a small minority in the big picture.

    Fastpitch softball years ago weren’t all too bad for traveling leagues, kids do one or two tourneys a month, couple practices. All good. But then each year more tourneys came about, more brackets, more teams (more kids). That makes for some talented kids and a bunch of less talented. Doesn’t mean the less shouldn’t be able to play with their friends and enjoy youth sports, just gonna make for larger programs.

    Once you get these larger pools of athletes, yeah the talented ones get the specialized training if the resources are available. Off season workouts, private lessons, etc. But I know quite a few adults who did sports at a high level in high school and have great memories from them. No regrets whatsoever.

    Instead of biatching about like I did for years I’ve learned to suck it up and work around it. Last weekend, got the kiddos on the ice for a lil bit Saturday morning, then tourney, then Sunday tourney won the consolation and off to ride snowmobiles and more ice fish. Great weekend, busy, but that’s just what it is for us here in the city.

    gim
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17868
    #1916172

    Its the arms race

    onestout
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 2698
    #1916173

    Our son started playing basketball this year. He is in the special olympics where it us all skill based and not by age and his team is one of the lower levels, younger kids just out there having fun. They were in a tournament last weekend and one of the teams they played seemed like they were trying out for the NBA. There was a lot of hacking to get the ball and 1 player was always hip checking and knocking players down to steal the ball, omg these kids are just trying to have fun and get out and socialize. This team is known for playing like this so it isn’t the kids this is what they are taught to do. They don’t normally call fouls or traveling at this level but I wish a ref. would have at least said something to the teams coaches but they didn’t. It is getting bad when the lower levels of the special olympics is getting that competitive.

    Drizzy Musky
    Duluth
    Posts: 258
    #1916179

    Money, you have coaches of “elite” teams that create the mindset that if you’re not year round you are falling behind. This scare tactic is used to get kids enrolled and pay to play.

    Truth is if you are a stellar athlete, with legitimate next level talent, that talent will manifest itself in whatever sport you play. My brother is a college coach, I was a division 1 scholarship athlete, we didn’t get there by playing on teams year round. The skills necessary where honed through hours of self instruction, understanding what skills you lacked and developing them on our own. Talent combined with a darn near maniacal work ethic is how you get there, no coach or parent can instill that……but they keep trying and trying and people are lining their pockets as a result.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1916182

    It sure is sexy to blame the parents but when there are rules in place for parent conduct and they rarely get enforced, can you really blame the parents? Or if the rules are unclear or insufficient, can you blame the parents?

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12131
    #1916199

    I see far to many parents who see their child becoming the next Lionel Messi, Roger Federer, Russel Wilson, Lebron James, or Tiger Woods. I know of more than a few parents who see sports as a way to pay for their child’s college (scholarships) – Some of these parents have probably spent as much money on their kids sports than a Ivy league schools cost. I also see a fair amount of parents who are trying to re-live their own sports glory days ( or lack there of ) through their children. The shame is without their parents spending lots of money and time the child will probably not be able to keep up with some of those who do. This is probably much more true is some of the more popular team sports these days ( Soccer, Hockey, and Dance to name a few )

    tegg
    Hudson, Wi/Aitkin Co
    Posts: 1450
    #1916207

    I think it’s just easier to do these days. More availability, more opportunities so it’s taken advantage of.

    Remember, Todd Marinovich started at USC in 1988. Also, in 1991 a Texas woman hired a hit man to kill the mother of a rival 14 yr old cheerleader. When it comes to sports the idea of the wacko parent is not a new phenomenon.

    lindyrig79
    Forest Lake / Lake Mille Lacs
    Posts: 5971
    #1916210

    Sports are good for kids, sure. Teamwork, physical activity, a whole bunch of positives.

    However, when schedules get so demanding that you don’t have time to take your kids fishing or hunting or camping or any other outdoor bonding activity then I think the scale is tipped too far in one direction. Not going to happen to me or my kids.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1916216

    Yes…Do you really need rules on how parents should conduct themselves?

    Well, yes. Obviously there’s a problem about how parents conduct themselves.

    Do you not have any rules you have to follow? At work, on the road, in your household?

    wimwuen
    LaCrosse, WI
    Posts: 1960
    #1916217

    The social media craze hasn’t helped either. Every sports parent, wants that profile picture of their kid with a 1st place ribbon etc… To some parents, and kids, that’s the most important thing now days.

    mojogunter
    Posts: 3317
    #1916219

    My son is 23, and he coaches a HS in-house basketball team and has since he was 19. He loves coaching. He got a text from a parent of one of the boys on the team that their son killed himself last night. This has hit my son really hard, and I feel terrible for him and all these kids. He had no idea this boy was in this mental state of mind. You never know….

    mnrabbit
    South Central Minnesota
    Posts: 815
    #1916220

    I’ve played and coached sports at a fairly high level, and have made a lot of friends along the way with connections to others as well.

    Here’s what I have noticed.
    There are “elite” programs that are out to take your money and take advantage of you. You pay xxx amount of money to participate, and it is pretty much a year round commitment, even taking away from (what I think should be your #1 priority) your school sport. Whether that is basketball, hockey, baseball, volleyball, gymnastics, etc. They are more so participating in local or regional tournaments. 95% of the programs that are “ruining” sports fall into this category.

    There are “elite” programs out there that are truly committed to the athlete and have the proper connections to get you to the next level and fulfil your goals – usually a college player, or a professional player. A lot of these programs are difficult to get onto the team and they are not looking for your money. Lots of them have sponsors, travel the country, and have very little if any financial commitment from the players/families.

    What I have noticed is that athletes that truly want to specialize and commit to being the best, pushed by the best (whether that is fellow players, coaches, or their own parents) will succeed. Anybody that does not want that, is going to get burnt out and no longer have fun – and that is largely on the parents because they have pushed them to try and relive their glory days through them.

    Friends I have in the NFL were all multi-sport athletes in high school, very raw talent, that coaches were able to mold into what was needed. They all worked extremely hard at their craft, and they were also very very smart in the classroom. I have a few friends that have spent a short amount of time in the NBA and bouncing around other leagues, they were all one sport athletes that specialized in basketball from a young age and they were more than dedicated to it. There was no parents pushing them, it was them trying to get into the gyms at 6:00am or 10:00pm every day, dribbling to and from school, doing things that nobody else wanted to do. The few friends I have that have made it professionally in baseball, whether A or MLB, were multi sport athletes with little baseball specializing until end of high school or college.

    If you want your kid to be successful:
    1. Make sure it remains fun for them and they really want it, and that is about it.

    Other things:
    2. Take a step back as a parent and don’t push them in any direction, but do be involved to the point of you needing to make sacrifices for them – driving to practices, financial support, etc.
    3. Don’t relive your glory days through them.
    4. Don’t talk negative about fellow teammates, coaches, parents, players, etc.

    The top players I have seen are all great in the classroom, are getting up early to workout on their own because they want to, are always having fun in practice and games, are coachable, never let the negatives get them too down and never let the positives get them too high.

    IceNEyes1986
    Harris, MN
    Posts: 1310
    #1916221

    However, when schedules get so demanding that you don’t have time to take your kids fishing or hunting or camping or any other outdoor bonding activity then I think the scale is tipped too far in one direction. Not going to happen to me or my kids.

    This is where I’m at with Hockey for my 9 year old boy.. It has become so time consuming! Hockey started the first weekend in Oct. He only got to spend 1 day with me in the deer stand & he’s spent 1 Saturday in our skid house on the Pond. Practice 4 days a week and games all over the damn state on weekends! It just gets to be a lot over the course of 5-6 months.. Now that the season is almost over they want the kids to join a program where they skate with older kids to “get better”. I like the idea but its another 2 months long! No thanks…

    waldo9190
    Cloquet, MN
    Posts: 1131
    #1916222

    Sports are good for kids, sure. Teamwork, physical activity, a whole bunch of positives.

    However, when schedules get so demanding that you don’t have time to take your kids fishing or hunting or camping or any other outdoor bonding activity then I think the scale is tipped too far in one direction. Not going to happen to me or my kids.

    Our daughter is only (just about) 2, so we have a while until we have to worry about these things, but I think herein lies one of the big issues. Kids nowadays are essentially penalized by coaching staffs because their family decided to go up the Gunflint for a week instead of attend that one “optional” camp that is 5-6 hours away from where the family lives. Now they’re relegated to the “b” team because of that. Granted, Cloquet doesn’t have quite the attendance that many of the metro schools have, therefore we don’t USUALLY have to worry about said situations (aside from maybe hockey or baseball), but even so many sports are trending this direction.

    That being said, I KNOW that there are many coaches that truly do build their roster based off of the abilities of the kids, which is the way it should be.

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12131
    #1916223

    Sports are good for kids, sure. Teamwork, physical activity, a whole bunch of positives.

    However, when schedules get so demanding that you don’t have time to take your kids fishing or hunting or camping or any other outdoor bonding activity then I think the scale is tipped too far in one direction. Not going to happen to me or my kids.

    Hope they are not in Soccer, Hockey, or dance – if so get out – get out now – While you still can jester

    Charles
    Posts: 1980
    #1916224

    Sports are good for kids, sure. Teamwork, physical activity, a whole bunch of positives.

    However, when schedules get so demanding that you don’t have time to take your kids fishing or hunting or camping or any other outdoor bonding activity then I think the scale is tipped too far in one direction. Not going to happen to me or my kids.

    We have our 4 year old in skating and going into hockey next year, being a single kid at the moment its good for him to learn Teamwork and learning skills and having accomplishments. However that being said we are not pushing our kid, if he doesn’t want to continue after the first year, oh well move onto something whatever he wants.

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12131
    #1916225

    The social media craze hasn’t helped either. Every sports parent, wants that profile picture of their kid with a 1st place ribbon etc… To some parents, and kids, that’s the most important thing now days.

    That’s no problem – Every kid gets a ribbon or trophy these days !!!

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12131
    #1916226

    My son is 23, and he coaches a HS in-house basketball team and has since he was 19. He loves coaching. He got a text from a parent of one of the boys on the team that their son killed himself last night. This has hit my son really hard, and I feel terrible for him and all these kids. He had no idea this boy was in this mental state of mind. You never know….

    That’s really sad – Its happening way to often with kids these days. prayers to your son and the child’s family.

    blank
    Posts: 1786
    #1916228

    The social media craze hasn’t helped either. Every sports parent, wants that profile picture of their kid with a 1st place ribbon etc… To some parents, and kids, that’s the most important thing now days.

    I completely agree. I think this also give parents social pressure to force their kids into activities because it’s the popular thing to do. Gotta keep up with the Joneses and get those likes!

    tindall
    Minneapolis MN
    Posts: 1104
    #1916232

    I wonder if it is due to a smaller percentage of highly involved parents and coaches who largely influence the system, and then everyone else just goes along for the ride because “it is how it is.”

    We did hockey for our 5yr old and it was needing full gear, one random hour every Saturday and Sunday from October to March, additional Tuesday and Thursday evenings from January to March, selling pizza or “buying out” around Christmas. It was only about hockey skills and not at all social – they never introduced each other or did anything as a team, they barely knew what each other looked like because they were always geared up and on ice. I suppose it might be different when they are older but it just shut down our family weekends at this age.

    B-man
    Posts: 5985
    #1916234

    Sports are good for kids, sure. Teamwork, physical activity, a whole bunch of positives.

    However, when schedules get so demanding that you don’t have time to take your kids fishing or hunting or camping or any other outdoor bonding activity then I think the scale is tipped too far in one direction. Not going to happen to me or my kids.

    Exactly what I’m afraid of.

    I want my kids to be kids….not to be training their entire childhood away for a .001% chance of a college scholarship

    Drizzy Musky
    Duluth
    Posts: 258
    #1916235

    Specialization is highly frowned upon by most college coaches these days, aside from Hockey and Soccer.

    If you want to see the character and ability of an athlete you are recruiting to play lacrosse, I bet my bottom dollar you learn a lot more about them by watching them play basketball or football.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1916237

    Pretty sure a coach or team director should not have to enforce rules on parents. Quite honestly outside of my boss at work or police and of course the wife a grown adult putting rules on me on how I should conduct myself is kind of laughable.

    Well then what are we talking about here? Parents yelling at refs, at kids, at other parents. Are you saying it doesn’t happen? Are you saying it isn’t a problem?

    If people don’t need rules then how do you address overzealous parents?

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11838
    #1916245

    It’s the parents.

    IMO the problem is that in any sport it’s the most gung-ho parents that drive the agenda. These parents grab the controls and from there the crazy train is off at full throttle. This has created an arms race mentality where there is no such thing as “enough”, there is always a group of parents that want another league or a winter season to follow the fall season that follows the summer pre-seasons and camp seasons, which are just after the late spring season, which followed the spring-spring season…

    The kid’s sports mania also preys on parent’s natural desire to want their children to have opportunities and to succeed. And of course, there’s also a competitive instinct that makes parents want to do what other parents are doing, but do it bigger and better and more.

    The problem is that in more and more sports, as a parent you have go off the deep end or it’s hard for your child to play at all. Parents put pressure on other parents to keep the crazy train running with more, more, more and it’s hard to be “that parent” who lets the team down by refusing to sign your kid up for the spring/summer special combo traveling league that “everyone” else is joining.

    Grouse

    Joe Scegura
    Alexandria MN
    Posts: 2758
    #1916246

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>lindyrig79 wrote:</div>
    Sports are good for kids, sure. Teamwork, physical activity, a whole bunch of positives.

    However, when schedules get so demanding that you don’t have time to take your kids fishing or hunting or camping or any other outdoor bonding activity then I think the scale is tipped too far in one direction. Not going to happen to me or my kids.

    Exactly what I’m afraid of.

    I want my kids to be kids….not to be training their entire childhood away for a .001% chance of a college scholarship

    You guys are spot on! Many of my friends are running ragged with kids in sports. My kids are a bit younger than theirs, so they keep telling me, “oh you just wait” I immediately tell them wait for what? We aren’t doing it. If my kids want to play a sport/s for fun? great! But we will not be running all week to practices and then games from Friday eve through Sunday across the state. Am I the one in the wrong here?

    We have friends getting divorced and families who never eat supper together and are divided 7 days a week for what?? I’ve threatened to start a “just for fun league” everyone plays and everyone has fun. Then when the season is over, it’s over. Does that sound so hard?

    I just had a friend tell me about his weekend. He starts with well we went here to play Friday eve and if we won we played here at this time, if we lost we had to drive here to play at this other time. He went on about the games they won and lost. I told him you did all that driving to play a game? I think you lost!

    tegg
    Hudson, Wi/Aitkin Co
    Posts: 1450
    #1916250

    Do you think the pure saturation of sports across all society has anything to do with it?

    Sunday night football, Monday night football, Thursday night football, College football, XFL or Arena football (because there’s not enough football), Draft coverage, Pre-Draft coverage, Mock Draft coverage, Pre-Mock Draft coverage (maybe I made that one up), Combine coverage, Tournament selection coverage, Fantasy Leagues, Fantasy League Draft publications, Legalized sports gambling, Fan-Dual.com, Expanded seasons, Expanded playoffs and tournaments, Expanded leagues, 40 bowl games, Your city needs a new arena, new stadium, new sports franchise…

    There’s no end.

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