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crappie55369 wrote:

Just completed my covid test for the week at work.

Wait a sec ! Are you saying you are vaccinated AND have to take a weekly test? What does that say about your employers confidence in the vaccine? I would be pushing back on that requirement.

-J.

And Jon Jordan – I am with you! WHY isn’t anyone on this forum questioning WHY the Congress & Judicial System elected official – along with their Staff – are EXEMPT from Biden’s mandatory requirements – but we, the people whom elected them are NOT exempt. This is absolutely wrong and people need to speak up!

Jon Jordan wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>crappie55369 wrote:</div>
Just completed my covid test for the week at work.

Wait a sec ! Are you saying you are vaccinated AND have to take a weekly test? What does that say about your employers confidence in the vaccine? I would be pushing back on that requirement.

-J.

Both vaccinated and unvaccinated people take weekly tests at my work. I should point out I work for Abbott and we developed the rapid test so I’m sure that has something to do with it.

What exactly would I gain by pushing back against my employer? Honest question what do you see as the advantage to doing that? I can assure you Abbott could care less about my stance and since I just laid out the relatively little inconvenience of a 3 minute and 22 second stretch of the legs for me what am I gaining here?

Similar question – what in the world would I care about Abbotts confidence in the vaccine? Are you telling me that your companies opinion about the vaccine factors into your decision to take it or not?

jimmysiewert wrote:

WHY isn’t anyone on this forum questioning WHY the Congress & Judicial System elected official – along with their Staff – are EXEMPT from Biden’s mandatory requirements

Congress is the legislative branch. The court system is under the judicial branch. The president and all government agencies are the executive branch.

gimruis wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>jimmysiewert wrote:</div>
WHY isn’t anyone on this forum questioning WHY the Congress & Judicial System elected official – along with their Staff – are EXEMPT from Biden’s mandatory requirements

Congress is the legislative branch. The court system is under the judicial branch. The president and all government agencies are the executive branch.

I get the semantics… why are they exempt ?

crappie55369 wrote:

I will say however it seems to be a choice being made largely for political reasons for many rather than medical or personal ones and for those fools I don’t have a lot of sympathy

That must be news to all those blacks that are choosing to not get vaccinated. Must just be those that voted for Trump huh?

big_g wrote:

why are they exempt

Because they are not a part of the executive branch. I’m not saying I agree with it, I’m only telling you why they are exempt.

I am pretty sure most, if not all, of them are already vaccinated so its kind of a moot point now.

My opinion on the vax vs non vax is this whole pandemic has been politicized from the beginning. Early on the dems said they wouldn’t take trumps vaccine like he was making it himself but now the power has flipped and they are coming out with mandates to basically force people to take it. Was the vaccine different while the scientists were working on it when Trump was in office vs now Biden? Also you have politicians saying “my body my choice” when it comes to women and abortions and the father has no say on the issue but now all us non vaxers are killers and shouldn’t be allowed in hospitals. How times have changed.

crappie55369 wrote:

Are you telling me that your companies opinion about the vaccine factors into your decision to take it or not?

Actually my employer does care. We have been getting surveys about what we think about testing and vaccines for months now. I don’t expect being forced to do anything I don’t feel comfortable with.

But with that said, Everyone here can do their jobs siting alone in a room at their own house. So, yes different world here. Sorry your employer does not care about your opinion.

-J.

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gimruis wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>big_g wrote:</div>
why are they exempt

Because they are not a part of the executive branch. I’m not saying I agree with it, I’m only telling you why they are exempt.

I am pretty sure most, if not all, of them are already vaccinated so its kind of a moot point now.

So the reason to exempt them…. is because they all “probably” got the jab already. Riiiiight

gimruis wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>big_g wrote:</div>
why are they exempt

Because they are not a part of the executive branch. I’m not saying I agree with it, I’m only telling you why they are exempt.

I am pretty sure most, if not all, of them are already vaccinated so its kind of a moot point now.

Actually only 81% are estimated to be vaccinated. I get all the differences of “branch’s” – but that is mute. Why are they not being required like the rest of us. Not a conspiracy theorist. The question is simple: They can make me, but don’t have to make themselves?

Sorry, but I do not trust how they “count” Covid cases or deaths anymore. Do they still get $13,000 extra ? I put NOTHING past the CDC or FDA or Fauci doing anymore.

big_g wrote:

So the reason to exempt them…. is because they all “probably” got the jab already. coffee Riiiiight

That’s not what I said.

If you can’t figure out that there are 3 branches of government and they are all equal and one does not have jurisdiction over the other two, then you aren’t going to understand.

gimruis wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>big_g wrote:</div>
So the reason to exempt them…. is because they all “probably” got the jab already. coffee Riiiiight

That’s not what I said.

If you can’t figure out that there are 3 branches of government and they are all equal and one does not have jurisdiction over the other two, then you aren’t going to understand.

This is being done through OSHA and Labor… not by Executive orders. I understand completely.

jimmysiewert wrote:

They can make me, but don’t have to make themselves?

Congress has nothing to do with it. The courts/judicial branch has nothing to do with this. This is coming from the executive branch which is where the president resides.

Congress, judges, and other judicial workers are not federal employees under the executive branch.

big_g wrote:

not by Executive orders.

It is being issued under Executive Order.

This is giving me a headache lol

Not political for me.

Just not personally concerned for my health in regards to covid exposure.

Why.

I keep looking up numbers that should scare me and none do. I like numbers.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6915e3.htm

So if there’s a 1.19% death rate in mn.
Of that flat statistic I’ll look at hospitalization rates. See link above.

I am not in the risk age group, and not in the worsening pre conditions group.

I’m what, 1% chance of hospitalization?
Therefor I’m what .001% chance death?

Let’s just say some things in life I do are much riskier.

So, why should I?
Why do you care?

Generally avoid these conversions because if someone wants something, great- go ahead. Don’t let me slow you down.

A covid Vax sounds like the a great way to get a cold from what I hear. I don’t really get colds, or sick in general.

I review symptoms of those hospitalized and think most of them if not all would not be reasons I’d go.

One of 8 broke bones I visited doctor in my life.

1 of 3 times I’ve had a bone exposed(hey there’s my bone), I visited a doctor and later wished I hadn’t.
Stitches? What the heck are those lol. Vet wrap!

I can respect everyone’s fears. They’re yours.

Nearly killed on the highway last week.
Can make a mistake doing any number of things to put my life at immediate risk.

I choose not to get vaccinated from covid because I lack the desire to get vaccinated. Push me into something I do not desire and my opposition will jump head high.

Comments regarding health insurance costs… get the big deductible plan if you don’t need it and don’t want to pay a lot… you are paying the first $5k anyway whether it be premiums or our of pocket.

My peace.

Thanks for keeping it civil guys. I do enjoy reading through these posts.

Carry on…

gimruis wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>big_g wrote:</div>
not by Executive orders.

It is being issued under Executive Order.

This is giving me a headache lol

I know he signed an Executive order, for the Executive branch… that they cannot “test out” of the jab, they HAVE TO GET IT or lose their job.

I am questioning how the other branches escape his OSHA Labor laws requiring testing or the jab.. or are they included in this ? Obviously the Federal, State and Local court systems employ more than 100 people, as does the postal service. My head is starting to hurt too….

Did anyone just catch that? I think that will solve all the issues…hopefully someone can post it, can’t get the link to work.

Jon Jordan wrote:

crappie55369 wrote:
Are you telling me that your companies opinion about the vaccine factors into your decision to take it or not?

Actually my employer does care. We have been getting surveys about what we think about testing and vaccines for months now. I don’t expect being forced to do anything I don’t feel comfortable with.

huh? i didnt ask you if your company cares about your opinion. I asked you if your companies opinion about vaccination influences your own decision to get vaccinated or not.

From you “What does that say about your employers confidence in the vaccine?”

me: “Are you telling me that your companies opinion about the vaccine factors into your decision to take it or not?”

stout93 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>crappie55369 wrote:</div>
I will say however it seems to be a choice being made largely for political reasons for many rather than medical or personal ones and for those fools I don’t have a lot of sympathy

That must be news to all those blacks that are choosing to not get vaccinated. Must just be those that voted for Trump huh?

i dont really have a comment to the words you put in my mouth other than to say its pretty common knowledge that the vaccine is political lol and yes one side of the party line is more vaccinated than the other. Here are numbers from a recent pole. Mind you just a pole so take that for what you want but i dont really think anyone, regardless of what side of the isle you are on, needs numbers to see the divide.

Democrats: 88 percent
Independents: 60 percent
Republicans: 55 percent
Republicans who support Trump more than party: 46 percent
Republicans who support party more than Trump: 62 percent
Democratic Sanders-Warren voters: 88 percent
Democratic Biden voters: 87 percent
Biden voters in 2020 general election: 91 percent
Trump voters in 2020 general election: 50 percent

There are some other studies conducted based on county numbers and who they voted for which probably has better data but i couldnt summarize that as easily

My company has no official statement on vaccines. The company policy follows current CDC guidelines requiring masks while on company property.

-J.

There is a ivermecten for humans. the media just want you to think it’s only for cattle and hores.

wkw wrote:

There is a ivermecten for humans. the media just want you to think it’s only for cattle and hores.

^This. The media is hiding it and it’s the cure.

I can get quite a few down with a couple glasses of Donny’s bleach during Newsmax commercial breaks.

I ask Google, why should I be scared of covid

https://adaa.org/learn-from-us/from-the-experts/blog-posts/consumer/flatten-fear-facts-what-appropriate-level-covid

When a person overestimates the risk of an uncertain situation, their fear response grows. For example, if you avoid air travel due to a fear that you will die in a plane crash, you are overestimating the likelihood of this occurring. According to 2015 statistics from The Economist, the chances of dying in a plane crash is 1 in 5.4 million. The odds are infinitesimal yet when a plane crashes and it is highlighted on the news, fear rises. To be 100% safe from an airplane fatality, you must never fly. Doing so, however, means missing out on seeing the world and seeing loved ones. To live a full life, we must tolerate uncertainty and most people do in many ways: We fly, drive, cruise, and ride rollercoasters. We walk across busy streets, go to crowded venues, and send our kids to school and college. Thousands of surgeries are performed each year including cosmetic procedures that are not medically necessary. People ride skateboards, surf, bike, and have one-night stands. We let unknown repairmen into our house and take medication prescribed by urgent care doctors whom we’ve never met. The list goes on.

But what about the risk of COVID-19? Is the worry about the virus commensurate with the risk? A Franklin-Templeson-Gallup research project on behavioral response to COVID-19 revealed that Americans overestimate the risk of the virus. Here are a few of their findings:

Americans believe that 50% of all COVID-19 deaths are people age 55 and older. The actual figure is 92%.
Americans believe that people age 44 and younger account for about 30% of total deaths. The actual figure is 2.7%.
Americans overestimate the risk of death from COVID-19 for people 24 and younger by a factor of 50.

Holy cow- I guess I kind of expected it to blow up like this, but everything at least deserves some discussion and debate. Thanks to the mods for letting this run.

My main reason for starting this was that I am very concerned because I literally just started a new job this morning—one that I never expected to land and seems almost too good to be true- and am worried about losing it already. Yes, I have not gotten the vaccine and am VERY hesitant about it. On top of that I have had a bad bout of pericarditis/pericardial effusion/pneumonia within the last 2 years and heart has been feeling a little “iffy” lately like it might be creeping back(recurring).

I haven’t read the last page or two yet, so I don’t know if it was mentioned- how about the USPS being exempt from this. Some of the few “federal” employees who have daily contact with the general public whether through the office, your doorstep, or just handling your packages/mail… That’s a head-scratcher for me. Too much just doesn’t smell right.

LabDaddy1 wrote:

Holy cow- I guess I kind of expected it to blow up like this, but everything at least deserves some discussion and debate. Thanks to the mods for letting this run.

My main reason for starting this was that I am very concerned because I literally just started a new job this morning—one that I never expected to land and seems almost too good to be true- and am worried about losing it already. Yes, I have not gotten the vaccine and am VERY hesitant about it. On top of that I have had a bad bout of pericarditis/pericardial effusion/pneumonia within the last 2 years and heart has been feeling a little “iffy” lately like it might be creeping back(recurring).

I haven’t read the last page or two yet, so I don’t know if it was mentioned- how about the USPS being exempt from this. Some of the few “federal” employees who have daily contact with the general public whether through the office, your doorstep, or just handling your packages/mail… That’s a head-scratcher for me. Too much just doesn’t smell right.

in your case you need to talk to your doctor or if your seeing a specialist……….

Not only are certain government agencies exempt but so are the thousands of illegals from the southern border and refugees from Afghanistan. These people are being trucked around the country and not so much as a covid test is being given let alone a vaccine.
The white House press secretary admitted last week that immigrants are not being mandated, but American citizens are……..