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  • big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22450
    #2062422

    Don’t look now but.. the hospitals that are over run… are understaffed. They are losing very intelligent people, who don’t want to be part of the great experiment. Everyday they are loosing thousands. This of course is not reported, but it is true. When you look at the whole thing.. it stinks to high heaven.

    Ivermectin has been prescribed for human use for over 40 years. If it’s like someone said, 99% of people are safe from it… I say make it an option to the 1% who are perishing from Covid. (why did CNN call it horse dewormer ? Because they know sheep will repeat it)

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #2062430

    And at what capacity are they operating at? Facilities are there. Is there a staff shortage? 🤔

    Why does this even matter?

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22450
    #2062450

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>FishBlood&RiverMud wrote:</div>
    And at what capacity are they operating at? Facilities are there. Is there a staff shortage? 🤔

    Why does this even matter?

    To me, it says I am not alone in my thoughts that this injection is maybe not the best answer… if Healthcare workers are refusing the jab, maybe they know something or at the least, are weary of the manner in which it was rushed to market and after seeing results for months, are not impressed. The bigger issue is for media and CDC to say Hospitals are FULL because of Covid, (the narrative) when in fact the real story is, hospitals are at half staff and the half is full because they are understaffed and people are still getting sick with cancer and other diseases besides the china covid.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #2062454

    The bigger issue is for media and CDC to say Hospitals are FULL because of Covid, (the narrative) when in fact the real story is, hospitals are at half staff and the half is full because they are understaffed and people are still getting sick with cancer and other diseases besides the china covid.

    Didn’t answer the question. Hospitals are full. People are dying needlessly because they can’t get care. Why does it matter if they a fully staffed or understaffed? It means we need to stop putting people in the hospital when it can be prevented.

    It’s not that unusual that some ICUs fill up during a flu season. What’s unusual is that ICUs in entire states are full and they are calling hospitals cover 1500 miles away to find a place to put patients. What’s unusual is that they are working under crisis standards of care.

    The vast majority in the hospital likely don’t have COVID but it’s the only factor driving them over the edge.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #2062455
    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22450
    #2062462

    It does answer the question. If you have an 800 bed hospital and can only staff for 400… and you have 600 customers, is the hospital “Full” because of Covid, or is it “Full” because of understaffing, caused by the jab mandate ? If they remove the mandate of the jab to Doctors and nurses, that were escorted out, because they wouldn’t take part in the experiment, if they removed the mandate and the staff returned, they could then have 800 beds again and not be full. That is a created, controllable condition.

    Equating seatbelts to an experimental Jab ?? I will not waste my time anymore. peace

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #2062464

    Equating seatbelts to an experimental Jab ?? I will not waste my time anymore. peace

    It was meant for humor because it came up. I wouldn’t equate vaccine mandates to seatbelts.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22450
    #2062465

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>big_g wrote:</div>
    Equating seatbelts to an experimental Jab ?? I will not waste my time anymore. peace

    It was meant for humor because it came up. I wouldn’t equate vaccine mandates to seatbelts.

    OK, it was funny, I give you that. Somebody did mention this though… doah

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22718
    #2062497

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>CaptainMusky wrote:</div>
    He also was prescribed Ivermectin which you conveniently left out.

    The only way you can be prescribed Ivermectin is to treat head lice or other skin conditions, not for covid.

    Why do you keep harping on about Ivermectin? Yes, it’s currently undergoing experimentation for it’s uses as an anti-viral, but you all seem to be very worried about experimental drugs?

    Not harping on it but he was prescribed it and its been shown to have benefits to fighting and prevent covid in countries other than here yet you conveniently left it out of his treatment regimine.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22718
    #2062498

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>FishBlood&RiverMud wrote:</div>
    And at what capacity are they operating at? Facilities are there. Is there a staff shortage? 🤔

    Why does this even matter?

    ICUs generally operate at capacity. You wouldn’t have even heard about this had this covid thing come into play. That’s how they function. If there is an increased need they add beds. Staffing would be the only issue.

    Don Meier
    Butternut Wisconsin
    Posts: 1659
    #2062506

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Don Meier wrote:</div>
    Am i worried that Bill Gates is tracking me via micro chip LOL track away !

    A friend of mine who is a doctor had a patient give him the “tracking chip” as his excuse for not getting vaccinated.

    My friend said he lost it a bit when the patient pulled out his cell phone and pulled up an article as “proof” of the tracking chip. He told the guy, “Why would Bill gates need to put a chip in your arm when you’re already volunteering for 24/7 tracking by carrying that thing?”

    By the look on the guy’s face, it was clear he had never even thought of that.

    Mrs. Grouse contacted Microsoft to make sure the tracking chip was included in my vaccine because she thinks I need more adult supervision. They replied and told her it was a hard no because, frankly, they didn’t consider me to be that interesting.

    LOL Good one !

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #2062530

    Not harping on it but he was prescribed it and its been shown to have benefits to fighting and prevent covid in countries other than here yet you conveniently left it out of his treatment regimine.

    It actually has not shown benefit. Please share if you have that evidence.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #2062531

    ICUs generally operate at capacity. You wouldn’t have even heard about this had this covid thing come into play. That’s how they function. If there is an increased need they add beds. Staffing would be the only issue.

    Never mentioned ICUs. The operate near capacity be 100% honest here. Saying they operate at capacity is dishonest.

    Anonymous
    Inactive
    Posts: 0
    #2062534

    “Thousands of healthcare workers… including Doctors, RN’s and Surgeons leaving their employment because they do not want the vaccine… should speak volumes.”

    Using that logic: Thousands of health care workers smoke….. I rest my case

    Bearcat89
    North branch, mn
    Posts: 20324
    #2062539

    “Thousands of healthcare workers… including Doctors, RN’s and Surgeons leaving their employment because they do not want the vaccine… should speak volumes.”

    Using that logic: Thousands of health care workers smoke….. I rest my case

    Didn’t really have a case to begin with

      waytogo
    Gitchi Gummi
    Posts: 3021
    #2062542

    Everyday they are loosing thousands. This of course is not reported, but it is true.

    source?

    how many of these thousands that hospitals are “loosing” daily have you personally talked to or know? just out of curiosity…

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22718
    #2062559

    It actually has not shown benefit. Please share if you have that evidence.

    This is the most recent thing I can find because everything shared keeps getting suppressed:

    Global Takeover of Healthcare Comes to Switzerland As Pressures from Above Stop Doctors from Treating COVID-19 Patients with Ivermectin

    Nearly a year ago there was a gentlemen posting graphs from Switzerland, areas of Africa with a timeline of their respective case rates. When the rates reached high levels they began prescribing ivermectin as both preventive and also treatment for those infected. In the following weeks all countries showed a resulting rapid drop in case and death rates. They then stopped using ivermectin. When the rates started going up again, they repeated the cycle and the same thing occurred.
    All of this data has been pulled down.
    I have consultants in India and several of them recently contracted covid, 2 were hospitalized. Out of curiosity I asked what they were treated with and Ivermectin was one of the medications along with steroids. They were shocked when I told them it was widely criticized here because they know its used widely there.
    Ivermectin is an anti-parasitic drug. It was used back in the SARS outbreak years ago primarily in Africa. If that name SARS sounds familiar it should. SARS-COVID19. The genetic makeup of the two viruses are very similar hence why countries started using it to determine effectiveness.
    They believe that its use doesnt allow the virus to proliferate as easily in the body, but it alone isnt the answer. Its been used for what 50 years and the inventors received a Nobel prize.

    FishBlood&RiverMud
    Prescott
    Posts: 6687
    #2062564

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>FishBlood&RiverMud wrote:</div>
    And at what capacity are they operating at? Facilities are there. Is there a staff shortage? 🤔

    Why does this even matter?

    I think we can agree this covid stuff didn’t end yesterday, isn’t going to end today, and isn’t going to end tomorrow.

    So we’re two years into this, that means we should be two years into increasing capacity.

    How’s that working.

    Do we actually have less capacity than pre covid? It would seem so.
    That’s unfortunate in a non covid time as they tend to operate full. An empty bed is cleaned and filled within the hour at mayo roch pre covid.

    Ammo manufacturers are responding faster than medical field to increased demand. They’re ramping up.

    Last year for quite some time beds were empty. Staff sent home. Despite room for electives they were stopped to make room for looming crisis. People took pay cuts and furloughs in that field.

    This didn’t impress that staff any and lit the kindling.

    As hospitals filled conditions for workers were poor. Throwing logs on that lit fire.

    People leaving the field.
    How are we growing it?

    Do you really believe we need less beds in 2022?

    I wouldn’t think so even if covid never existed.
    When has hospital capacity shrunk? I’m thinking never.
    But, it is now.
    Needs resolution.
    Why does this matter you ask? Because eliminating covid cases in hospitals is resolving a symptom of them problem and not the problem itself.

    Capacity needs to be increased and that should be a focus.

    Medical field operates like western culture big business. If next week looks slow, furlough and fire. When your overly swamped react versus plan and endure.

    Most executive staff cannot see the harm they cause when knee jerk reacting to achieve this quarters plan, despite removing resources necessary to achieve next quarters plan. See it all the time.

    Example, last year the company I worked for hired full time every contract employee right before shutdown. Everyone we supplied cut, fired, and furloughed. When demand spiked, they were and still are with their pants down. Whereas we were making improvements (cutting costs) with the employees that didn’t have much work to do so when we were busy we essentially added capacity without needing bodies.

    What’s medical plans to increase capacity?
    What are their plans to just get back to the capacity they needed prior to covid?
    These are important.

    So, how much is the big business medical companies pushing back on increasing capacity to hit this quarters plan? Govt could support them proactively versus retroactively like they did last year when hospitals gave staff back the money they took from them.

    Angler II
    Posts: 530
    #2062567

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>big_g wrote:</div>
    Everyday they are loosing thousands. This of course is not reported, but it is true.

    source?

    how many of these thousands that hospitals are “loosing” daily have you personally talked to or know? just out of curiosity…

    I know of several in my wife’s department that are leaving. I’m sure people from other departments are leaving as well.

    There are over 6,000 hospitals in the US not to mentions thousands of other health care facility’s.

    It doesn’t take long for that to add up to a large number.

    Sad really.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #2062570

    Ivermectin received the Nobel price for use as an antiparasitic, not an antiviral. Again, ivermectin has only proven to be antiviral in in vitro lab tests at doses 1000-10,000 times the safe dosage for humans. Numerous RCTs and systematic reviews have been published over the past 18 months showing no significant benefit.

    It’s not uncommon for pre-print studies to be pulled down or retracted for various reasons. Most notably for making claims that the study cannot prove. If the authors don’t edit their claims, it gets pulled down.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22718
    #2062586

    Ivermectin received the Nobel price for use as an antiparasitic, not an antiviral.

    Correct, not disputing this at all, but to say there hasnt been encouraging signs by its use in treatment of SARS and SARS Covid19 across the world is untrue because it has been showing promise. Is it a magic elixir? No, but to just cast it off as a “horse dewormer” is short sighted.

    grubson
    Harris, Somewhere in VNP
    Posts: 1612
    #2062587

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>FishBlood&RiverMud wrote:</div>
    And at what capacity are they operating at? Facilities are there. Is there a staff shortage? 🤔

    Why does this even matter?

    shock
    Really?? You’ve spent the majority of the last week arguing over this thread and you don’t know why hospital staff shortages matter??
    Im glad I’m not wasting my time debating with a wall like some of you guys are. Its hopeless.

    Glad to see this thread brought you out of the weeds though Matt.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22718
    #2062588

    It’s not uncommon for pre-print studies to be pulled down or retracted for various reasons. Most notably for making claims that the study cannot prove. If the authors don’t edit their claims, it gets pulled down.

    I am not even talking about studies, I am talking about the graphs showing timelines. Those are all gone now. They dont want to show any correlation to its use and potential benefits.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #2062590

    FBRM, I really agree with just about everything you said. Hiring should’ve been a focus from the start. I just don’t think it’s that easy especially now since a lot of hospital staff have been neglected and mistreated over the past 18 months.

    EVERYONE is hiring right now. Every employer is competing to hire people. Hospitals are no different. I can’t even get lunch at chipotle anymore because they are closed for lunch due to staff shortages. I never thought I’d see that day.

    Medical field operates like western culture big business. If next week looks slow, furlough and fire. When your overly swamped react versus plan and endure.

    Most executive staff cannot see the harm they cause when knee jerk reacting to achieve this quarters plan, despite removing resources necessary to achieve next quarters plan. See it all the time.

    Hiring is one thing but having surge staff capacity seems difficult. Where would these people come from? Would you have RNs working in other fields like selling cars and working at chipotle? Maybe it would be something like a Medical National Guard? Why become a RN and not get paid for it? I don’t disagree with the idea but something like this would take some time and tax dollars. The medical industry would want no part of paying people to do nothing.

    Getting back to my point, people are losing their lives because there is no one to care for them. There’s proven a way to mitigate this. The more people that are vaccinated the more space there is in hospitals. Hire more staff too but don’t ignore the easy solution.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #2062591

    I am not even talking about studies, I am talking about the graphs showing timelines. Those are all gone now. They dont want to show any correlation to its use and potential benefits.

    Gotcha. Correlations tend to be pretty weak evidence. Take masking for instance. Lots of crap out there about how masks correlate with fewer cases. The never take into account biases and the fact this virus rises and falls without any reason why.

    Mike
    Posts: 110
    #2062613

    Correct, not disputing this at all, but to say there hasnt been encouraging signs by its use in treatment of SARS and SARS Covid19 across the world is untrue because it has been showing promise. Is it a magic elixir? No, but to just cast it off as a “horse dewormer” is short sighted.

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/09/the-anonymous-meta-analysis-thats-convincing-people-to-use-ivermectin/

    One very large trial in humans appeared to show that ivermectin was effective against COVID-19, but it was later withdrawn following accusations of plagiarism and manipulated data. Since then, a number of small, variable-quality trials have had varying results. An analysis of the state of the field published in late July indicated it wasn’t possible to use these studies to determine if ivermectin was helpful or harmful. The situation doesn’t seem to have changed dramatically since. Currently, most health authorities indicate that there is no evidence supporting ivermectin’s use against COVID-19.”

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22718
    #2062626

    Gotcha. Correlations tend to be pretty weak evidence. Take masking for instance. Lots of crap out there about how masks correlate with fewer cases. The never take into account biases and the fact this virus rises and falls without any reason why.

    100% Correlation does not always mean causation one way or the other, but what we have constantly seen the last 18 months is that they have continually pushed that lock downs and mask mandates affected cases and deaths, but when looking at usage of therapeutics in treatment they scoff that there is relation. I just wish there was equal transparency both ways and it hasnt happened.
    I have watched videos (since pulled) and read stories of a Dr in I believe it was Dallas. His patients were solely those with respiratory issues like severe asthma, etc.
    He had many of these patients come in who contracted COVID and he had a treatment regimen of various drugs he normally administered someone suffering severe asthma issues and he had NONE get severely ill or even get hospitalized. This was hundreds of patients. This was without doing regeneron and with many of the highest risk group of people out there. I wish I could find that link again because it was very eye opening.
    The best thing is to consult with your Dr and see what they say. Ask specific questions about what the potential benefits from some of these treatments. The Drs main job is to “Do no harm” when consulting with the patient and deciding treatment.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #2062629

    The best thing is to consult with your Dr and see what they say. Ask specific questions about what the potential benefits from some of these treatments. The Drs main job is to “Do no harm” when consulting with the patient and deciding treatment.

    We definitely agree on this.

    FishBlood&RiverMud
    Prescott
    Posts: 6687
    #2062630

    Hiring is one thing but having surge staff capacity seems difficult. Where would these people come from? Would you have RNs working in other fields like selling cars and working at chipotle? Maybe it would be something like a Medical National Guard? Why become a RN and not get paid for it? I don’t disagree with the idea but something like this would take some time and tax dollars. The medical industry would want no part of paying people to do nothing.

    Like a good farmer, Toyota Industries, or the company I worked for whom had Toyotas philosophy… you bank money during the great times so you can pay your full staff during the low times to improve the facility for the next increase in demand.

    This keeps the labor pool happy and, well, keeps the labor. Therefore adding additional labor is better retained. This has proven to have financial advantages over short term planning.

    Ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Its entirely a western culture thing and well over 90% of businesses are guilty of this.

    I couldn’t be more disappointed with how medical staff was treated last year. Management dirtied the water dish and is finding out how much more effort it takes to clean the pan before raising the level. Adding more water to dilute takes many more gallon to achieve a level of cleanliness whereas the cost to keep it clean at the end of the day was less.

    Can’t see past their feet and who told them to squash elective surgeries therefore diving their revenue without the support to provide for their employees. Definition of RUN AMOK!!!

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11624
    #2062653

    Ivermectin received the Nobel price for use as an antiparasitic, not an antiviral. Again, ivermectin has only proven to be antiviral in in vitro lab tests at doses 1000-10,000 times the safe dosage for humans. Numerous RCTs and systematic reviews have been published over the past 18 months showing no significant benefit.

    It’s not uncommon for pre-print studies to be pulled down or retracted for various reasons. Most notably for making claims that the study cannot prove. If the authors don’t edit their claims, it gets pulled down.

    Here’s a summary of the evidence for Ivermectin with links, go to town. You are correct it won the Nobel as an antiparasitic, but it has also shown to be very effective against viruses as well, namely slowing viral replication in West-Nile, Zika, Dengue, Influenza, and yes, most recently SARS-CoV-2.

    http://www.covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/SUMMARY-OF-THE-EVIDENCE-BASE-FINAL.pdf

    And it is also safe in large doses.

    http://www.covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/FLCCC-Information-Evidence-for-Safety-of-Ivermectin.pdf

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