“In today’s MMWR, a study of COVID-19 infections in Kentucky among people who were previously infected with SAR-CoV-2 shows that unvaccinated individuals are more than twice as likely to be reinfected with COVID-19 than those who were fully vaccinated after initially contracting the virus”
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-protection.html
You also may want to do some research on what mRNA is, and how it works.
vaccine that is basically “untrialed” and long term effects unknown, should be my decision alone.
“Untrialed” is undoubtedly false. The Pfizer vaccine has full FDA approval, same as your vaccinations you received in boot camp. The vaccine technology was years, even decades in the making. There were years of trials before COVID even hit. What was left was only the human trials that every single vaccine and drug goes through to prove safety, efficacy and durability. The only thing that isn’t proven yet is durability. We are in the midst of finding out the durability right now with the discussion of booster doses.
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vaccine that is basically “untrialed” and long term effects unknown, should be my decision alone.“Untrialed” is undoubtedly false. The Pfizer vaccine has full FDA approval, same as your vaccinations you received in boot camp. The vaccine technology was years, even decades in the making. There were years of trials before COVID even hit. What was left was only the human trials that every single vaccine and drug goes through to prove safety, efficacy and durability. The only thing that isn’t proven yet is durability. We are in the midst of finding out the durability right now with the discussion of booster doses.
Correct… no Human Trials… those receiving the injection “are the trials” this is not disputed. Also, animal testing only went so far as to say that at 56 days, the animals were resistant to the virus… they did not go further… without explanation. My body, my choice.
When i entered boot camp in 1975, also had mandated vaccines and prior to shipping out another round of vaccine . Why because they worked . Today there is plenty of evidence that proves that the covid vaccine also works . Am i worried that Bill Gates is tracking me via micro chip LOL track away ! If my job requires covid vaccine i would gladly take it . This not about personnel choice its about public health welfare , its about keeping people out of hospitals and going to morgue ,flooding our hospitals with people who are unvaccinated is down right selfish , when this is totally preventable .
Uhh.. there absolutely were human trials for the Covid vaccines before they were allowed to go to the general public. Do some research, man.
Also, the big difference… eating that double cheeseburger is a choice… now if the government told you had to eat 8 double cheeseburgers a day.. would you have a problem with that or would you order that chocolate shake and just eat up ??
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Only if they forced me to put bacon on them.
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Uhh.. there absolutely were human trials for the Covid vaccines before they were allowed to go to the general public. Do some research, man.
Your talking about the human trials… in 2020… no ? 
Am i worried that Bill Gates is tracking me via micro chip LOL track away !
A friend of mine who is a doctor had a patient give him the “tracking chip” as his excuse for not getting vaccinated.
My friend said he lost it a bit when the patient pulled out his cell phone and pulled up an article as “proof” of the tracking chip. He told the guy, “Why would Bill gates need to put a chip in your arm when you’re already volunteering for 24/7 tracking by carrying that thing?”
By the look on the guy’s face, it was clear he had never even thought of that.
Mrs. Grouse contacted Microsoft to make sure the tracking chip was included in my vaccine because she thinks I need more adult supervision. They replied and told her it was a hard no because, frankly, they didn’t consider me to be that interesting.
Between July 27, 2020, and November 14, 2020, a total of 44,820 persons were screened, and 43,548 persons 16 years of age or older underwent randomization at 152 sites worldwide
That’s what I thought, the lengthy 4 months in 2020.
That’s what I thought, the lengthy 4 months in 2020.
And? Symptoms showing up after 6-8 weeks just aren’t a thing with vaccines. Extremely rare adverse effects only occur within those first 6-8 weeks. If, and that a big IF, some were to show up later, they be even more incredibly rare than what occurs in the first 8 weeks.
Please explain exactly how the FDA approval of the Pfizer vaccine is different from ALL OTHER VACCINES.
In order to even tie a side effect to a vaccine or drug, you need to show that the side effect occurs more often during a given time period in those vaccinated than one would expect normally.
For those concerned about long term negative results of a new vaccine how long does it need to be deployed before you are satisfied? I’ve seen lots of people say they are concerned about an un-tested vaccine but nobody says how long until you are comfortable taking it? Is there a standardized number? 2 years? 5? 20? Does everyone have the same number?
I’m assuming that any length of time without all the vaccinated people turning green and growing a 2nd head won’t make a difference.
Not judging I’m just genuinely curious how long is long enough?
For me today, it would be 5 years, being over 50 years old… if I was 20 years old, I would like 10 or even 20 years proven safe. Early signs show more frequent blood clotting, could be a major issue across all ages. I pray it is safe, as I know plenty who have had the vaccine.
I am very encouraged about Nova Vax if and when it becomes available.
I think the human body is very incredible and very self sufficient. Natural immunity, other treatments allowed, (a government outlawing a doctor to prescribe a long standing treatment for other disease) had it been left to run it’s course and left alone and maybe this pandemic is passed already. Too much misinformation. Otherwise healthy People dying from the vaccines, not being reported. Efficacy unknown. Being reported that people being more susceptible to reinfection in a few months after vaccinations… never ending boosters is not for me. Too many unknowns to just start rolling up my sleeve. People with the vaccine, need me to get it because…. their is not working…. which means mine will work ??? Very confusing… you cannot catch lightening in a bottle.
Speaking of misinformation. I hope most are not reading this thread and basing their decision one way or another off the 12 pages written here. Unfortunately I have a feeling some are.
Carry on 
The human body is incredible, and less is known than we like to think, I agree with that point. I also believe pharmaceutical companies have created some incredible drugs and treatments to preserve life and quality of life but in the interest of profit sometimes overreach their intended purpose.
“Too much misinformation” is easily cleared up by your doctor.
A far higher number of otherwise healthy people are dying of COVID than the vaccine. 3 people have died of complications linked to vaccines in the US.
Efficacy is very well known. Real world results are confirming the efficacy results seen in the trials. Waning immunity is real regardless of vaccination or infection. Vaccination provides a more consistent level immunity. Waning immunity from the vaccine still provides a very high level of protection. Significantly higher than even a flu vaccine. This is why boosters aren’t being recommended for healthy individuals. The studies don’t suggest any meaningful benefit at this time.
If it’s confusing, trust your doc and only your doc. It’s HIS job after all.
Hopefully those opting out of the vaccine will also opt out of medical treatment if they were so unlucky as to need it after contracting the virus. You know, since doctors don’t know anything and all, not sure why they’d check themselves in to a hospital for treatment.
OK then.. if you have long term effects from the vaccine… stay home too. What a childish view. 
Thousands of healthcare workers… including Doctors, RN’s and Surgeons leaving their employment because they do not want the vaccine… should speak volumes.
If you get the shot and get covud after, they say the symptoms are very light and you may not even know it.
Then aren’t you more likely to be passing it on to others because you go in to work and do your normal day to day? Unlike a person who may be non vaccinated they will get really sick and stay home on quarantine ?
Just curious who is really the super spreader. I’m in my 30s and have a astounding immune system. My house got covid so they say and no one got sick. My son took a long nap 1 day. The rest of the time we camped secluded on the river and went fishing. It was nice. But just for that reason alone I will not be getting a shot and jeopardizing my already great immune system.
I’m not against getting a vaccine, I’m against mandating a new vaccine or threatening people’s jobs. Or trying to do some backwards ass way of jacking a test way up or offering the shot for free. Some one is getting rich off the people. And I believe money is a giant factor in this entire deal. ( again I’m not one who buys in to politics or conspiracy,) just have my own beliefs. And for those who hope the non vaccinated should get turned away from hospitals, you guys are some complete dipsh!!s lol I hope every one gets to stay healthy or gets the help they need
Lets face it, no one knows for sure. This has never happened before in my lifetime and I’m probably one of the older ones here at 63. The Docs don’t know for sure, the scientists don’t know for sure, the politicians absolutely don’t know. We are all listening to the same opinions and we make our choices on what we do. No one is right, no one is wrong, we are doing what we think is best for us and for society.
Personally I have more faith in the medical community than the others (my wife is a nurse practitioner), I would find it really hard to believe the government, medical, science people would dish out a vaccine that is not completely safe for 99% of the population. Even the flu vaccine, aspirin, iodine, insulin and countless others have folks that are allergic, and could have major issues, but the 99% are fine. That’s the way life works. Everything is not for everyone and it never will be, so that’s what we all have to live and deal with.
Maybe some still remember but we had a similar conversation pre-COVID.
I’m not too proud to admit how wrong I was back then.http://www.in-depthoutdoors.com/community/forums/topic/flu-shot/page/3/
It’s also time for the flu shot. 
Got mine last week at my annual check up.
My great uncle’s best friend’s step brother once got a rash from the flu JAB.
The most educated, experienced, worldly doctors are just out to use us simple folk as lab rats. Drain the medical swamp and stop the JABS.
You also may want to do some research on what mRNA is, and how it works.
Yes, please do. If the inventor of the technology shows pause for concern over its rush to use then there is definitely something to it.
Dr Robert Malone.
The main issue with mRNA is that it does NOT stay in the injection site unlike traditional vaccines. It travels throughout the body thus they believe the spike proteins used result in less of a prolonged immune response AND potential issues with these proteins interacting within organs such as the significant concern and evidence that its leading to myocarditis and pericarditis particularly in healthy teenage boys.
I know you understand that vaccines in general reduce transmission of diseases therefore they also help to protect those that are immunocompromised. What I don’t understand is why people don’t see that this is how we get our way out of this.
That may be true for traditional vaccines, but these “vaccines” have proven time and again that they do not stop spread or prevent someone from getting sick.
You dont get irritated that for the year up to their rollout the vaccines were said to be the answer to stop the spread. Now they are touting it as the way to avoid serious illness. It doesnt seem like their narrative changes with every turn to you at all? First it was “2 weeks to slow the spread”, but we’ve been living in fear of this for over 18 months and every dawn gives a new narrative.
If you dont believe that the vaccines are not preventing spread, take a look at Israel vs Palestine. One is heavily vaxxed, one isnt. One has even rolled out a booster while the other hasnt. Neighbors, but stark differences in what is going on between them.
You dont get irritated that for the year up to their rollout the vaccines were said to be the answer to stop the spread. Now they are touting it as the way to avoid serious illness. It doesnt seem like their narrative changes with every turn to you at all?
A false claim. When the mRNA vaccines were released, they were approximately 95% effective. How do you get “stop the spread” from 95%? Against the current variant, they are between 70-80% effective. Meaning vaccinated people have a 70-80% lower risk of becoming infected with the delta variant.
So if fewer vaccinated people are becoming infected, the fewer people they are infecting themselves compared to unvaccinated.
An infected vaccinated person is also infectious for a shorter period of time leading spread even more.
A false claim. When the mRNA vaccines were released, they were approximately 95% effective. How do you get “stop the spread” from 95%? Against the current variant, they are between 70-80% effective. Meaning vaccinated people have a 70-80% lower risk of becoming infected with the delta variant.
So if fewer vaccinated people are becoming infected, the fewer people they are infecting themselves compared to unvaccinated.
An infected vaccinated person is also infectious for a shorter period of time leading spread even more.
All of what you said is completely incorrect and been proven over and over. A vaccinated person is not less likely to get covid. They are less likely to get severe illness and die. There are studies regarding viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated and both carry equivalent amount of the virus to potentially infect others.
You didnt hear Fauci lauding that the only way out and to stop the spread for over a year we needed the vaccines? If you didnt hear him say that I dont know where you have been.
Now the narrative has completely shifted from “stopping the spread” to “Avoid serious illness or death”. Which is fine, because I can agree for those at highest risk it does seem to actually be doing that, but its not at all what’s been crammed down our throat for a year waiting for it to come out.
Yes, please do. If the inventor of the technology shows pause for concern over its rush to use then there is definitely something to it.
Dr Robert Malone.
The main issue with mRNA is that it does NOT stay in the injection site unlike traditional vaccines. It travels throughout the body thus they believe the spike proteins used result in less of a prolonged immune response AND potential issues with these proteins interacting within organs such as the significant concern and evidence that its leading to myocarditis and pericarditis particularly in healthy teenage boys.
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/where-mrna-vaccines-and-spike-proteins-go
“Where does the vaccine go?
Here’s a peer-reviewed study that shows where intramuscular vaccines (which all three of the COVID-19 vaccines are) travel in macaques (a type of monkey). Vaccines mostly remain near the site of injection (the arm muscle) and local lymph nodes. ”
“Why do they use spike proteins?
For COVID-19 vaccines, all of the approved vaccines so far used the spike protein. The spike protein is located on the outside of a coronavirus and is how SARS-CoV-2 (the coronavirus) enters human cells. Its location on the outside of the virus makes it so the immune system can recognize it easily.
The spike protein is unique to SARS-CoV-2 – it doesn’t look like other proteins your body makes. So antibodies created against the spike protein won’t harm your body, they will only target coronavirus. “
Like I said, its not stopping the spread. Israel (among others like Iceland) has their highest cases and deaths since the beginning of this right now and they are heavily vaccinated and even have been administering the booster. Your previous post you said “95% percent effective” NOW you share studies that show significantly less % than that. So where exactly are you getting your information since its all over the map?
And then add in this gem “It hasn’t been scrutinized by experts in a peer-review.”
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