Jan 6th convictions

Funky quote there stout but my point was exactly that. None were held like “Shaman”.

CaptainMusky wrote:

Funky quote there stout but my point was exactly that. None were held like “Shaman”.

Yup, see that now. I screwed up the quote in my reply. It should be attributable to Gicchi..

George Floyd rioters deserved arrest and prosecution where evidence supported it. January 6 rioters (that’s what they were) deserved the same. There was a helluva lot more evidence in the January 6 events, much of it foolishly posted by perpetrators on their social media accounts. The fact that too few of the Floyd rioters were prosecuted does not absolve the January 6 rioters.

Speaking of “evidence”… did you see the “rioting” the Shaman did ? Police escorted him through the building, checking for open doors for him… and he would still be serving his 41 month sentence behind bars, if not for Tucker Carlson exposing the video footage (hidden evidence) during prime time. Nobody cares that evidence that would have proven he did not “storm” the building and push past police, was hidden from the defense, as it did not fit their savage version they cooked up.

Brad Dimond wrote:

George Floyd rioters deserved arrest and prosecution where evidence supported it. January 6 rioters (that’s what they were) deserved the same. There was a helluva lot more evidence in the January 6 events, much of it foolishly posted by perpetrators on their social media accounts. The fact that too few of the Floyd rioters were prosecuted does not absolve the January 6 rioters.

Are you saying there was no evidence to support the prosecution of George Floyd protesters or the Kavanagh insurrectionists?

Stout – would like to see that answer as well.
No doubt many of the morons at the capital posted their acts ( same as Hunter but he gets off scott free?!?!)
You can clearly see dozens of them, in the commission of crimes in Minneapolis.
How is that different from the capital? It does NOT MATTER whether downtown Minneapolis or the Capital. Both places were crime scenes. Why is justice not being served in one of those venues? The business owners, the destruction of a police building, the rioters throwing bricks and Molotov cocktails …..
If you think about it and the current narrative in this country and our own Governor’s approach to it you will come to a simple conclusion as to why some were prosecuted and not others.

Oh and now there is a suspicious white substance in the White House that turn turns out to be coke LOL

When the cops are all gone not even the weather will keep the riff raff away.

Funny, first report was the cocaine was found in the library, which is part of the restricted East Wing of the White House, to now it is found in the West Wing which is more heavily traversed. Also guess for some reason now the White House doesn’t have any security cameras to find out who did it?

I think thousands of villages were missing their idiots on Jan 6th. And those who destroyed things deserve whatever punishment comes their way. I also think they were useful idiots for the left, like the DC mayor and Pelosi who declined bringing in the National Guard or more security, which even the orange man recommended prior to the protest. I mean if you really think the Capitol is that easily overrun, without weapons, why hasn’t China, Russia or any other country that hates us, done so already or again since Jan 6? These operatives/idiots that tactically special or something?

100% Hunters cocaine, you can’t fart in DC or the White House without 3 intelligence agencies knowing when, where you did it, as well as what your last meal was before it’s in the wind.

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I suppose they used the same cameras in the WH, that Epstein had in his jail cell when he suicided himself. Who believes this crap ?

how about this – can we all agree on this? If not, I give up.

-anyone who unlawfully caused damage, destruction to property, or illegally trespassed on Jan 6th at the Capitol should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law

-anyone who unlawfully caused damage, destruction to property, or illegally trespassed at the Kavanaugh protests should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law

-anyone who unlawfully caused damage, destruction to property, or illegally trespassed at the George Floyd protests should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law

-Hunter Biden sucks as do other children of the rich and famous who are highly privileged and entitled as a result of their status

Yes, yes, yes and no. Hunter is in a league of his own.

Gitchi Gummi wrote:

how about this – can we all agree on this? If not, I give up.

-anyone who unlawfully caused damage, destruction to property, or illegally trespassed on Jan 6th at the Capitol should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law

-anyone who unlawfully caused damage, destruction to property, or illegally trespassed at the Kavanaugh protests should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law

-anyone who unlawfully caused damage, destruction to property, or illegally trespassed at the George Floyd protests should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law

-Hunter Biden sucks as do other children of the rich and famous who are highly privileged and entitled as a result of their status

Agreed. But I think the difference in treatment is what most here have an issue with. The Jan 6th protestors were prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and many are still in jail. A fraction of the Kavanaugh protestors were arrested and given disorderly conduct or “crowding, obstructing or incommoding” tickets, a slap on the wrist. And by far, monetarily, the most damage was caused by the GF riots, very few people were arrested or charged, and Walz said most of the damage was done by out of state right wing agitators. Not sure why they are not arresting them, almost all of the ones I’ve seen arrested were in-state leftist extremists/Antifa…

And Hunter Biden is the son of the VP and now President, and was clearly selling access to his father. Big difference between that and Charlie Sheen. What is the Biden Family Business that is worth millions of dollars from foreign governments?

BigWerm wrote:

The Jan 6th protestors were prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and many are still in jail.

Each and every conviction was sentenced in accordance with the federal sentencing guidelines manual. Judges do have discretion over this but as with any judicial decision, it can be appealed if it doesn’t have merit. Sentencing table is on page 407.

http://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/guidelines-manual/2021/GLMFull.pdf

Here’s an example of the sentencing guidelines analysis of one of the bigger cases.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23823672/oath-keepers-omnibus-sentencing-memo-for-upward-departure.pdf

biggill wrote:

Each and every conviction was sentenced in accordance with the federal sentencing guidelines manual.

That would be the definition of fullest extent of the law. Not that you have any idea about each and every conviction, but you can in fact use google. My point was and is one group was charged with felonies facing lengthy trials and jail time, the other got misdemeanors and small fines.

Werm, I agree there are differences. Federal prosecutors are going to be a bit different than state level. Especially when the federal offenses are committed at the US Capitol of all places. Federal charges typically carry more weight than state charges.

Moral of the story is if you don’t want to do the time, don’t do the crime.

BigWerm wrote:

That would be the definition of fullest extent of the law. Not that you have any idea about each and every conviction, but you can in fact use google. My point was and is one group was charged with felonies facing lengthy trials and jail time, the other got misdemeanors and small fines.

That’s because the people are charged for the crimes they committed.

The fullest extent of the law to me means they were given the maximum sentence. So if a crime has a penalty punishable up to 10 years in prison, and the guidelines say 2 years but the judge gives them 10 years instead. Simply giving them what the guidelines say doesn’t mean the fullest extent in my eyes.

Gitchi Gummi wrote:

Federal prosecutors are going to be a bit different than state level. Especially when the federal offenses are committed at the US Capitol of all places. Federal charges typically carry more weight than state charges.

Right, and guess where the Kavanaugh protestors were…wait for it…the US Capitol of all places! Looks very familiar…

.@womensmarch just took the Capitol. Women, survivors, and allies walked straight past the police, climbed over barricades, and sat down on the Capitol steps.

It was hard not do feel depleted this morning. But I don’t anymore. This was inspiring. We’re ready for this. pic.twitter.com/YIlDrelaiz

— Sophie Ellman-Golan (@EgSophie) October 6, 2018

biggill wrote:

That’s because the people are charged for the crimes they committed.

No they are charged with whatever the prosecutor chooses to charge them with. Sometimes they choose an easy lesser charge (like misdemeanor Disorderly Conduct), sometimes they pile on every possible charge (like 10 felonies for the Shaman). Another example would be willful failure to pay federal income tax instead of treason (Hunter Biden). And politics often plays a factor in these decisions at every level.

BigWerm wrote:

Right, and guess where the Kavanaugh protestors were…wait for it…the US Capitol of all places! Looks very familiar…

Roughly $3M of damage done on the Jan 6 riots based on a quick search. How much was done by the Kavanaugh protestors? Honest question as I’m not able to find anything on it. I didn’t see any video of Kavanaugh protestors trying to break into the senate chamber. Seems like one of the protests caused a lot more damage, destruction and injuries than the other and I’m guessing that’s why one is being prosecuted as such.

Gitchi Gummi wrote:

-Hunter Biden sucks as do other children of the rich and famous who are highly privileged and entitled as a result of their status

And needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law along with anyone else cough cough who was complicit and involved in his illegal activity.

Otherwise nailed it with what I have been saying from the beginning.

CaptainMusky wrote:

And needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law along with anyone else cough cough who was complicit and involved in his illegal activity.

Did he accept a plea deal? Which means he admitted guilt for a lesser punishment.

stout93 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Brad Dimond wrote:</div>
George Floyd rioters deserved arrest and prosecution where evidence supported it. January 6 rioters (that’s what they were) deserved the same. There was a helluva lot more evidence in the January 6 events, much of it foolishly posted by perpetrators on their social media accounts. The fact that too few of the Floyd rioters were prosecuted does not absolve the January 6 rioters.

Are you saying there was no evidence to support the prosecution of George Floyd protesters or the Kavanagh insurrectionists?

Not at all, just saying way more of the January 6 crew posted on social media easily identifiable photos and videos of themselves rampaging through the Capitol. My point is more that there is no excuse for either set of rioters.

BigWerm wrote:

No they are charged with whatever the prosecutor chooses to charge them with. Sometimes they choose an easy lesser charge (like misdemeanor Disorderly Conduct), sometimes they pile on every possible charge (like 10 felonies for the Shaman). Another example would be willful failure to pay federal income tax instead of treason (Hunter Biden). And politics often plays a factor in these decisions at every level.

The charges are based off what the evidence shows they can get a conviction for.

The shaman took a plea deal to one single felony of obstructing an official proceeding in exchange for 5 other charges being dropped. The maximum penalty for that specific charge was 20 years and he received 41 months. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.225845/gov.uscourts.dcd.225845.69.0_1.pdf

biggill wrote:

The charges are based off what the evidence shows they can get a conviction for.

I know this is just a typical purposefully obtuse Biggill post, but I like to play along periodically. What evidence is there the Biden’s run a legitimate business? Because to accept a plea deal for misdemeanor failure to pay taxes, there surely is a legitimate business those payments were for, correct? What product or service do they provide to the CCP/Ukraine etc. for these massive payments, and you can’t say access to the “big guy” bc that would be treason, and you KNOW charges are solely based off what the evidence shows…

https://news.yahoo.com/hunter-biden-grand-jury-witness-140305395.html

The charges and/or plea deal don’t say anything about the legitimacy of the business. It’s exactly what I said, charges based on the evidence that would lead to a likely conviction. Other charges for illegitimate business dealings could still be coming. Personally, I don’t think we’ve seen the end of the Hunter saga.

The feds have an impressive conviction rate for a reason. They don’t bring charges unless they know they can get a conviction. So the evidence supporting the charges are almost always insurmountable.

The implication you and so many are making is that there is a political bias in the charging and sentencing of similar crimes based off of who is the sitting POTUS, only the crimes and underlying factors aren’t even remotely similar. Look at the actual court documents if you want to understand what basis they had for charging, getting a conviction and sentencing. It details what is presented before a judge and jury and is the only information used to determine the outcome in a case.

biggill wrote:

The implication you and so many are making is that there is a political bias in the charging

Because there is political bias in the charges brought in many cases from small counties/towns, big cities to federal court. To act like there isn’t is either grossly uninformed or purposely obtuse on our legal system and how it operates.

And yes it directly applies to the 1,033 people facing charges from Jan 6th vs Kavanaugh/GF Riots. Jan 6th protestors/idiots got federal charges on the low end of illegal parading or demonstrating inside the capitol to 14 years for attacking police with a chair/pepper spray. Meanwhile Kavanaugh’s protestors/idiots got state charges/slaps on the wrist for disorderly conduct. Any GF rioters get 14 years or more for billions in damages, burning down a police precinct and attacking police? Honest question, most of my googling leads to very low level charges.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_arson_damage_during_the_George_Floyd_protests_in_Minneapolis%E2%80%93Saint_Paul

Not trying to make arguement werm but some of these sentences simply aren’t considered light by my standards. I’m all on board of going after thousands more for the GF crap that went on. But our system is only so big, ask anyone who had to deal w courts and the backlog that happened w covid and there just wasn’t the manpower to get er done imo, and to make a special task force w public opinion at that point in time to go after more individuals would’ve only led to perhaps more chaos.

Just to be clear it’s the integrity of the law you are all concerned with upholding right? If this was Don Jr’s laptop or if the GF protesters were having the book thrown at them and the Jan 6 folks were getting off light we would still have 5 pages of posts on IDO? If jon Voight had pulled the trigger on the set of Rust instead of Alec Baldwin we would have threads of outrage at the lack of charges there too? These are rhetorical questions