Jan 6th convictions

Brad Dimond wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Umy wrote:</div>
I’ll say it. the sheep are still grazing.
If the media was not controlled by the White House we would have have a much different situation right now. Nothing on the news about China, the border, the economy, inflation……
There is NOTHING that but double standards here at work – get real.
I am NOT a TRUMPER either – this current administration is a joke in every way shape and form.
Oh, and our good friend at the capital was censured – Mr Schiff called out for defrauding the American public. He should have been relieved of his duties. Makes Kamala look relevant.
Republicans censured two OF THEIR OWN. NOT saying they’re any better just outlining the fact.
In the country’s history 9 members have been censured – 3 republicans and 6 democrats. THe last was Republican Dave Durenberger from MN

I read about China, the border, the economy, inflation daily in the Red Star, CNN, Fox, WSJ and more. I don’t pay much attention to TV news other than the weather and sports.

Me too. Both sides have a different story – one is as bad as the other – NEITHER are to be trusted at this point- that is the crux of the problem for me. Too many people can’t use their powers of critical thinking to reason through what is going on and blindly accept what is being handed to them via the current state sponsored media. It is NOT comprehensive in its coverage of the world OR OUR country.
If you believe otherwise that is your right.
I am tired of being told what to think when the facts don’t support it.
This is CLEARLY a “Do as I say not as I do” administration.
My opinion – perhaps not yours but there is a huge gulf between common sense and reality and morality in this country ( and state)
Case in point….

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biggill wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>picklerick wrote:</div>
At noon on Jan 20, Inauguration Day, the POTUS’ and VP’s term still end and the Speaker of the House would have assumed the role of President. Then, the election results would likely be certified. Surely, Nancy would have stepped aside to save democracy, right?

Pelosi and Pence were at the top of the insurrectionists list for that reason.

If all this was impossible, why then did trump send all those people to the capital? Even if it was just to peacefully protest. Trump lied to them telling them Pence had the power. Why?

Saying something you believe to be true isn’t actually lying. I mean, you and others say it was an insurrection, and I’m sure you believe it, so I won’t call you a liar.

As far as Trump saying Pence had the power, technically, he did. If Pence went along with it, the election just would not have been certified. Then they’d either have to have another election before noon on Jan 20, or the next in line of succession becomes POTUS. Line of succession just keeps on going after Pence and Pelosi so if the nut jobs had lynched them both it doesn’t keep Trump in office past Jan 20.

I’m not saying it was a good or honorable plan. I’m no fan of Trump. When he got the nomination against Hillary, I told everyone that would listen that it was a pathetic reflection of our citizenry when the only candidates with any chance to win are two of the biggest egomaniacal a-holes I’d ever seen.

I think it was stupid to have a rally there on Jan 6. But a pretty small number of those people went over to the Capitol and an even smaller number had bad intentions and committed crimes. The ones that committed crimes should be prosecuted. But, be honest, there was no chance the government was in jeopardy of being overthrown by unarmed, rioting idiots.

picklerick wrote:

I think it was stupid to have a rally there on Jan 6. But a pretty small number of those people went over to the Capitol and an even smaller number had bad intentions and committed crimes. The ones that committed crimes should be prosecuted. But, be honest, there was no chance the government was in jeopardy of being overthrown by unarmed, rioting idiots.

x100 and Dont forget it was Pelosi’s fault that there wasnt additional security there in the first place because that falls on her.

I hear ya. We were told “this is what democracy looks like” when tens of thousands of unhinged leftists took over the WI State Capitol in 2011 because, THE HORROR, State employees had to pay for their benefits like the rest of us do. I don’t recall anyone shooting any of the idiots banging on buckets or at Segway Boy, the 2011 leftist version of QAnon Shaman.

CaptainMusky wrote:

A gal was murdered when she was unarmed and no charges filed.

Horrible she was shot. However, she was told numerous times not to proceed through the window. There were Senators/representatives in the chamber and that door was the last stronghold before the mob would have had access to all of them. If she would have complied and not tried going through busted window, she would still be alive.
BTW…. Police officers were injured and died, lets not forget it has been said on IDO “we back the badge”.

From the video I saw of the incident you couldnt see anyone else in the chamber and the officer who shot her was not even visible until the end and of course it was chaos after that. Not denying officers were injured and they shouldnt have been touched which I have said before. The only one who died had a known heart issue and a heart attack. The news told us he was killed by someone with a fire extinguisher.

stout93 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Brad Dimond wrote:</div>
We came close to losing this miracle.

Honest question.

You REALLY think this?

Yes

FinnyDinDin wrote:

Our government and media lies to us non stop and people are too stupid to know better.

Remember the days when the media was there to keep our government in check with truth brought to the people? Now the media is politically controlled and most citizens are too brainwashed to see it.

We have fallen a long ways in recent years. Divided we fall, is what they want, and it’s getting closer by the day.

Spot on, 100%

Just pointing out your and the majority of other libs’ extreme hypocrisy.

Further point, I don’t think anyone (most folks) on here are defending Jan 6, they are simply saying there was never the slightest chance of them “overthrowing democracy…” But that’s the libs talking point no matter how utterly ridiculous it is. Yeah right…Trump was going to be installed as POTUS after a few thousand people protested. How stupid do people have to be…???
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riverbassman wrote:

Horrible she was shot. However, she was told numerous times not to proceed through the window. There were Senators/representatives in the chamber and that door was the last stronghold before the mob would have had access to all of them. If she would have complied and not tried going through busted window, she would still be alive.
BTW…. Police officers were injured and died, lets not forget it has been said on IDO “we back the badge”.

Well said sir.

“if they would have listened to the police, they’d be alive today”… pretty sure I’ve heard that one a time or two over the years on this forum

Well said? Literally none of the times anyone ever said that involved an unarmed woman. Another straw man, and while putting words in other people’s mouths. You should debate what is actually said, not conflating similar topics if you actually want to change someone’s mind. That trained male cop could have detained her without deadly force. It wasn’t justified and that cop should be in prison.

If the cops had shot George Floyd, or actually choked or prevented him from breathing before medics could arrive, I’d have the same conclusion there. Do you think really that he was murdered because he OD’d while resisting arrest? Real question.

play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

I wasn’t there on Jan 6th. I would think there was a good amount of fear in those trying to defend especially after they breeched the barricades. But, like I said I wasn’t there.

barricades ? you mean bike racks ?

picklerick wrote:

That trained male cop could have detained her without deadly force. It wasn’t justified and that cop should be in prison.

That officer’s JOB was to protect that window and everyone behind it. If the stupid broad would have listened and obeyed the officer, she’d be alive…. unless of course she got schmucked doing something else illegal.

If this same mob of idiots came to any one of your homes and was forcing self inside despite warnings from an armed you inside, would you shoot to protect yourself and family? Forget that this was a federal property and that this mob of jackasses decided to play the stupid games, it is a house of Congress, of which that officer was a member of, and he protected his family. Keep in mind he protected Republicans as well as Democrats and Independants. Stupid games by stupid people and they were rewarded with appropriate prizes.

This is what I found. The decision on whether to call National Guard troops up is made by the Capitol Police Board made up of the House and Senate Sergeant at Arms.

For the record, I think if you try to fight a cop you’re asking to become room temperature. I’d absolutely shoot someone if they came through my window. But, I’m not a trained officer. I thought they were supposed to attempt to de-escalate? That’s what I’ve been hearing in recent years. If Derek Chauvin had just shot Floyd he wouldn’t be in prison? I mean there were others around that needed to be protected. That’s the metric? I’m just looking for consistency.

picklerick wrote:

I’m just looking for consistency.

There is no consistency in a riot. Bottom line: don’t be involved in sh/t like this, you won’t get shot. Pretty simple.

Agreed. Is there consistency in your beliefs? I’m not going to put words in your mouth but it’s hypocritical to say Chauvin is a murderer if you think Ashli Babbitt had it coming. I expect you’ll dodge this again, but I’m done anyway.

picklerick wrote:

Agreed. Is there consistency in your beliefs? I’m not going to put words in your mouth but it’s hypocritical to say Chauvin is a murderer if you think Ashli Babbitt had it coming. I expect you’ll dodge this again, but I’m done anyway.

or Kim Potter

picklerick wrote:

As far as Trump saying Pence had the power, technically, he did. If Pence went along with it, the election just would not have been certified. Then they’d either have to have another election before noon on Jan 20, or the next in line of succession becomes POTUS. Line of succession just keeps on going after Pence and Pelosi so if the nut jobs had lynched them both it doesn’t keep Trump in office past Jan 20.

No, technically he didn’t have any authority whatsoever to do anything but certify the election results sent to him by the states. He had no authority to question who the states chose to elect for president. That would be the representative of an autocratic government. If he does anything otherwise it is completely unconstitutional. Trump knew that and so did Pence. If you claim that Trump didn’t know that and therefore he wasn’t lying, then it says a whole lot about how incredibly incompetent he is. I mean the defense documents case is another good indicator of his incompetence.

Trump wanted it to go to SCOTUS where his only shot was to overturn some of the electoral votes sent to congress because he thought he had the court in his pocket. SCOTUS intervened in the 2000 election and he thought they would again for him.

Not to mention that trumps own staff are on record, testifying under oath, telling him he can’t do it.

Orange MAn bad- period I guess….?!
Honest question ….
Would you rather have the economy, safe borders, international reputation and lower inflation and unemployment like we had under Orange man or this WOKE BS we call equity in this country with a governor mandating menstrual products are installed in boy’s bathrooms and gas costs twice what it did 2.5 years ago, involved in ANOTHER war, ( just to name a few)

Umy wrote:

Orange MAn bad- period I guess….?!

Honest question. Why is this the default response to anything that criticizes Trump? Why not actually a rebuttal?

Your question about the economy isn’t honest. It’s projection.

Umy wrote:

Orange MAn bad- period I guess….?!
Honest question ….
Would you rather have the economy, safe borders, international reputation and lower inflation and unemployment like we had under Orange man or this WOKE BS we call equity in this country with a governor mandating menstrual products are installed in boy’s bathrooms and gas costs twice what it did 2.5 years ago, involved in ANOTHER war, ( just to name a few)

I’m hoping there is a Door Number Three. Unfortunately I don’t see a realistic alternative that offers a middle of the road candidate to supplant either of the past two “leaders”.

Gitchi Gummi wrote:

play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

I wonder why none of the insurrectionists at the Kavanagh hearings “won stupid prizes?”

That’s obviously a rhetorical question, since we all know why…they’re on the ‘right’ side of the political spectrum…

The economy is NOT projection.?!???!

stout93 wrote:

I wonder why none of the insurrectionists at the Kavanagh hearings “won stupid prizes?”

That’s obviously a rhetorical question, since we all know why…they’re on the ‘right’ side of the political spectrum…

There were a couple hundred arrested. Not sure what I’m missing?

biggill wrote:

No, technically he didn’t have any authority whatsoever to do anything but certify the election results sent to him by the states. He had no authority to question who the states chose to elect for president. That would be the representative of an autocratic government. If he does anything otherwise it is completely unconstitutional. Trump knew that and so did Pence. If you claim that Trump didn’t know that and therefore he wasn’t lying, then it says a whole lot about how incredibly incompetent he is. I mean the defense documents case is another good indicator of his incompetence.

Trump wanted it to go to SCOTUS where his only shot was to overturn some of the electoral votes sent to congress because he thought he had the court in his pocket. SCOTUS intervened in the 2000 election and he thought they would again for him.

Not to mention that trumps own staff are on record, testifying under oath, telling him he can’t do it.

Biggill you are right in this. Pence had no authority to do anything other than certify and Trump was grasping at anything. This is my biggest issue with him. Far too may wingding comments. If he just kept his mouth shut most of the time and just focus on policy he would be fine. Down in TX right now and may here have been HUGE Trump fans are ready to move on from him.

Gitchi Gummi wrote:

There were a couple hundred arrested. Not sure what I’m missing?

Better question is how many were just spun right out of jail versus detained for over a year?

CaptainMusky wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Gitchi Gummi wrote:</div>
There were a couple hundred arrested. Not sure what I’m missing?

You missed the part about the majority, if not all were immediately released.