Looking for your honest experiences/opinions: in the market for a new truck. Trying to decide if a diesel is the right choice for me. Currently have a 2017 Ram 1500 5.7. It’s old, tired, and starting to add up in the repair bills. We have a 22′ pontoon boat that we tow with a bunk trailer here and there, 18′ Enclosed trailer that I haul around during ice fishing with the atv’s and gear. I drive 20 miles round trip to work each day, and this would be my daily driver. Gas or diesel?
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Is a diesel for me?
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Iowaboy1
Posts: 3911December 23, 2024 at 11:57 am #2306484No, not for your uses, a 20 mile round trip will coke up the turbo in no time.
Diesels are meant for pulling heavy loads all day everyday, then add the expense of DEF, treating the fuel, etc.
Consider the extra cost of diesel fuel while you are at it.walleyesforme
InactivePosts: 589December 23, 2024 at 12:01 pm #2306486If you’ve had the RAM that long I think you’d be impressed with the performance of a pedal bike compared to that thing.
December 23, 2024 at 12:23 pm #2306491Power/torque of a diesel is a given. What do you want for longevity of your drivetrain 250K miles or 500K+ I made the jump to diesel in 2001 and never looked back. I drive my trucks until they are rusted away. my ’01 duramax was just under 600K miles when I sold it, My ’03 Durmax was nearing 500 when I sold it. I ran into a great deal on my current Dodge and for the $$$ I accept it. It is definitely not the ride of a GMC. But at 240K miles, its going strong. So I look at how many gassers would I have gone through in the same period.
My towing uses vary, but enclosed trailer, car hauler (open) , a 30′ enclosed hauler, camper, and bass boat. I frequently drive between my house and farm (about 120 miles each way). Then add in all the typical needs of a pick up.
Maintenance is always a topic of cost, which isn’t cheap. I change oil every 9K miles. I run Rotella in spring through fall and flush run synthetic in coldest part of winter. 3 gallon Rottela box is about $45 and I run K&N filter at about 17-20 each. Fuel filter every other oil change at 70ish. I grease each oil change and a tube at $10 last a few changes. Brakes and some parts cost more. many parts are comparable in cost.
Torque to the rear wheels. If you want tires to last, you buy E load highway, have some weight in the rear, and keep your foot off the accelerator. Taking off from a dead stop will chirp the tires easily. Not like drag racing but just a little chirp. You have more torque so taking off with no load can easily give you a little slip. that will decrease tire life if your always hammering it.
Here right now by my farm, gas is about 2.77 and diesel is 3.07.-3.18. I use a fuel app an get about .03-.06 off per gallon. Since 2007 the reformulated diesel sucks donkey balls. Additionally, try to stay away for the “bio-blends”. I keep a bottle of additive in the truck just in case I get trapped filling up in Iowa. My 01 by far was the best on milage with pre-reformulated crap. But all that aside, I range about 22-14 per gallon pending load and hills/mountains. Sure is funny crossing a mountain pass and passing guys pulling a camper. Half way up the grade they are starving for air/power. I just steadily cruise by them.
Winter hassles also get kicked around a lot. I plug my heater core in when its going to be below zero. I have an outdoor GFI outlet on the side of my garage so no big deal to plug it in before going to bed. Unplug and fire up in the morning. I let it warm up for 5-10 minutes before I leave. For me its no big deal. Twice I bought fuel that was falsely advertised as winter blend and it gelled. Each was during a artic blast and near 20 below. 1 time was a major PITA and waited the 4 or so days to warm up. The other was a bottle of 911 and open the rail and pump out the crap until fuel flowed and back in business.
Only you can decide what is best for you. For me, its more than twice the longevity of the drive train and the power when I need it. Especially when gas engines are tweaked to get all the power they can out of a smaller engine.
If you do go diesel, will need to relearn the engine / road noise Vs speed. Very different sound when your doing over 70-75 mph at barely 2000 rpms
December 23, 2024 at 12:36 pm #2306492911 is miracle juice.
You pay more up front for a diesel.
You pay more to maintain it.
Fuel costs more.
It will last a long time.If you drive 10,000 or so miles a month and tow get a diesel, otherwise suffer with another gasser.
December 23, 2024 at 1:37 pm #2306514No, not for your uses, a 20 mile round trip will coke up the turbo in no time.
Diesels are meant for pulling heavy loads all day everyday, then add the expense of DEF, treating the fuel, etc.
Consider the extra cost of diesel fuel while you are at it.Agree, doesn’t sound like you need a diesel.
walleyesforme
InactivePosts: 589December 23, 2024 at 3:17 pm #2306542911 is miracle juice.
You pay more up front for a diesel.
You pay more to maintain it.
Fuel costs more.
It will last a long time.If you drive 10,000 or so miles a month and tow get a diesel, otherwise suffer with another gasser.
Or get another RAM and suffer no matter what route you take.
B-man
Posts: 6522December 23, 2024 at 3:25 pm #2306544God that guy is annoying…
Any who, if you feel a half ton gasser would handle what you do (sounds like it to me) I’d go that route.
Diesels are awesome, but for a daily driver I’d go with a lighter duty gasser.
December 23, 2024 at 3:29 pm #2306548And he’s at the top of his game.
Come on “Or get another RAM and suffer no matter what route you take.” That’S Priceless!
December 23, 2024 at 3:34 pm #2306550December 23, 2024 at 3:44 pm #2306554<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Dutchboy wrote:</div>
911 is miracle juice.You pay more up front for a diesel.
You pay more to maintain it.
Fuel costs more.
It will last a long time.If you drive 10,000 or so miles a month and tow get a diesel, otherwise suffer with another gasser.
Or get another RAM and suffer no matter what route you take.
Just an FYI, you’re talking to a man with a Ram that has 425,000 miles on it. How many miles does your truck have? Can’t complain about a truck coming up on a half a million miles.
walleyesforme
InactivePosts: 589December 23, 2024 at 4:37 pm #2306568You could buy two trucks of a different brand for less than a RAM and go way farther than that
B-man
Posts: 6522December 23, 2024 at 4:40 pm #2306569You could buy two trucks of a different brand for less than a RAM and go way farther than that
Now we know you’re officially a special person
Again, what kind of superior truck do you own?
How many miles?
How many hours in the shop?
How many recalls?
Patiently waiting
December 23, 2024 at 4:44 pm #2306571Santa drives a Ram so I’m not to worried about getting my wheelhouse I asked him for.
walleyesforme
InactivePosts: 589December 23, 2024 at 4:47 pm #2306574Santa drives a Ram so I’m not to worried about getting my wheelhouse I asked him for.
He’s probably trying to figure out how to get the tongue jack up because it squatted down so far when he hooked it up right now.
December 23, 2024 at 5:02 pm #2306584<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Eelpoutguy wrote:</div>
Santa drives a Ram so I’m not to worried about getting my wheelhouse I asked him for.He’s probably trying to figure out how to get the tongue jack up because it squatted down so far when he hooked it up right now.
In a few years when you are old enough to drive you can let us know what choice of truck you make.
isu22andy
Posts: 1979December 23, 2024 at 5:13 pm #2306588If you got enough disposable income , a nice heated garage or shop id say get one . I love towing with a diesel. That said they ride rougher than a 1/2 ton . Kinda like boats – no one ever said they had too much power .
Curt
Posts: 97December 23, 2024 at 6:22 pm #2306603Doesn’t sound like a diesel is the right fit for you BUT… I bought a brand new 2024 High County Duramax last year and that thing is a beast. Ride is excellent, pulled my 34′ 5th wheel plus skeeter boat and the things pulling power is downright stupid. Glad I bought it, just don’t use it enough to pull heavy loads but oh well, life is short, enjoy it.
December 23, 2024 at 6:27 pm #2306604I’ve been running a 23 3500 at4 as a work truck besides my kenworth. I can tell you it doesn’t lack power, I drive back and forth from north branch to Rochester for the last couple weeks and the trucks handles great, pulls a trailer awesome and has me debating on trading my 6.4 gasser in.
walleyesforme
InactivePosts: 589December 23, 2024 at 6:48 pm #2306610I’ve been running a 23 3500 at4 as a work truck besides my kenworth. I can tell you it doesn’t lack power, I drive back and forth from north branch to Rochester for the last couple weeks and the trucks handles great, pulls a trailer awesome and has me debating on trading my 6.4 gasser in.
We have Lots of GM trucks at work. They are nice but the thing that drives me insane is how squeaky the cabs are. Doesn’t matter if they are a 1500,2500 or 3500 it’s enough to drive you nuts going down the road. Another thing I’ve noticed is I don’t think I’ve been in one that hasn’t had the check engine light on. They all run fine but it’s kinda weird. These are all 23’s and 24’s and I think the one with the most miles on it has like 20,000 on it and most of them have around 10,000 on them. Granted they have never seen an inch of tar in their life they just don’t seem that sturdy.
B-man
Posts: 6522December 23, 2024 at 7:05 pm #2306614Still patiently waiting
Doesn’t like Chevys either…
Must be a Honda Ridgeline owner, my wife drives a Pilot, they’re cute
walleyesforme
InactivePosts: 589December 23, 2024 at 7:15 pm #2306617Sorry just figured it might be useful info to someone looking at new trucks that doesn’t get to drive them on a daily basis.
B-man
Posts: 6522December 23, 2024 at 7:32 pm #2306622Sorry just figured it might be useful info to someone looking at new trucks that doesn’t get to drive them on a daily basis.
Which one do you drive on a daily basis?
December 23, 2024 at 7:38 pm #2306625Must be a Honda Ridgeline owner, my wife drives a Pilot, they’re cute
Hey now
walleyesforme
InactivePosts: 589December 23, 2024 at 7:40 pm #2306626The truck I drive at work most of the time is a 23 3500 Chevy. Spend a good amount of time in that thing especially in the winter.
December 23, 2024 at 7:43 pm #2306627We have Lots of GM trucks at work. They are nice but the thing that drives me insane is how squeaky the cabs are. Doesn’t matter if they are a 1500,2500 or 3500 it’s enough to drive you nuts going down the road. Another thing I’ve noticed is I don’t think I’ve been in one that hasn’t had the check engine light on. They all run fine but it’s kinda weird. These are all 23’s and 24’s and I think the one with the most miles on it has like 20,000 on it and most of them have around 10,000 on them. Granted they have never seen an inch of tar in their life they just don’t seem that sturdy.
[/quote]After being in the construction industry and having a company vehicle for the last 17 years I’ve pulled with and done about everything with all the hd trucks. They all have their own issues. I pull a 12k lbs cat generator often and skid loader, mini hoe , big cat genset with a brokk 180 on back. I can tell you my least favorite is definitely the Ford. The Ford is a great rig but wouldn’t be my purchase. And I’ve haven’t been a chevy guy since the late 90s. But that at4 is a great rig. The Cummins is also a excellent rig. It’s really hard to go wrong with the 3 big diesels. They all have pros and cons.
December 23, 2024 at 7:45 pm #2306628Hey now
[/quote]That’s called being caught in the cross fire.
walleyesforme
InactivePosts: 589December 23, 2024 at 7:52 pm #2306634We have Lots of GM trucks at work. They are nice but the thing that drives me insane is how squeaky the cabs are. Doesn’t matter if they are a 1500,2500 or 3500 it’s enough to drive you nuts going down the road. Another thing I’ve noticed is I don’t think I’ve been in one that hasn’t had the check engine light on. They all run fine but it’s kinda weird. These are all 23’s and 24’s and I think the one with the most miles on it has like 20,000 on it and most of them have around 10,000 on them. Granted they have never seen an inch of tar in their life they just don’t seem that sturdy.
After being in the construction industry and having a company vehicle for the last 17 years I’ve pulled with and done about everything with all the hd trucks. They all have their own issues. I pull a 12k lbs cat generator often and skid loader, mini hoe , big cat genset with a brokk 180 on back. I can tell you my least favorite is definitely the Ford. The Ford is a great rig but wouldn’t be my purchase. And I’ve haven’t been a chevy guy since the late 90s. But that at4 is a great rig. The Cummins is also a excellent rig. It’s really hard to go wrong with the 3 big diesels. They all have pros and cons.
[/quote]We used to have all fords but they switched for whatever reason. I suppose they must have got some kind of deal or contract or something.
B-man
Posts: 6522December 23, 2024 at 7:53 pm #2306635The truck I drive at work most of the time is a 23 3500 Chevy. Spend a good amount of time in that thing especially in the winter.
Oh I see now.
You sure talk a lot of trash about trucks without even owning one.
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