Intelligent Oil-Life Monitor system % you change it at?

  • biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1804302

    Unless you can provide data that suggests that extra oil changes extend the life of my engine, there’s no way I’ll do more than is recommended nor will I recommend it to anyone. Keep in mind, mechanics only see the mechanical failures. The only successes you see are with your own vehicles which are almost certainly properly maintained.

    The small percentages of failures you see do not related tho the majority of vehicles on the road. Auto manufacturers, insurance companies (extended warranties) and oil companies have billions of dollars at stake in these oil life monitoring systems backed by what I assume is years of data driven research. The vast majority of vehicles mechanics will see are either manufacturing/engineering defects or abused and poorly maintained vehicles. They state right in the owners manual that if you use your vehicle in extreme driving conditions, you need to change your oil more often.

    I’ve got 175,000 miles on my eco. Most of it heavy towing. From what I’ve read, There is no fix.

    So you recommend the same oil change interval as someone who drives regularly? How do you come up with the 3000 and 5000 mile interval? I’m a data driven person so I’d need to see research that suggests the oil has lost its lubrication properties at those intervals.

    I also don’t believe it’s cheap insurance. If there’s a problem with your engine like fuel dilution or timing chain issues, it’s still going to cause problems regardless of how often you change your oil.

    You must use the correct oil. Always. Ecoboosts require WSS-M2C929-A ford spec oil. You can’t just put any 5W30 oil in these things. The list of proper spec oil is relatively short. If you don’t use it or get the cheap stuff at the quick lube place you can expect problems.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1804303

    Part of the long oil change idea is marketing by the Automobile companies. The long interval and no grease fittings means that they can tell fleet companies (think Hertz, Avis, Enterprise,etc) that there brand costs less to maintain=more sales to said companies.

    Source? How can you say it’s market based and not chemistry based? Just because a rental company demands a longer oil change interval doesn’t mean that the manufacturers are compromising the life of their engines.

    404 ERROR
    MN
    Posts: 3918
    #1804304

    From what I’ve read, There is no fix.

    Correct, there is no fix for the early eco oil and timing chain issue other than hope yours doesn’t go. Do your best to keep it in one piece (change your oil more often to keep fuel out), ensure proper oil level (eco’s are notorious for blowby) and be prepared to drop almost exactly $1K in parts and double or triple in labor (if you bring it in) when it fails. I’ve done one, soon to be two 3.5 eco’s with stretched chains. Even 1/2″ stretch will give you significant power back once it’s replaced.

    Me? 6,000 miles on Motorcraft oil. No exceptions and I do not follow the oil life monitor. Top off my vehicles at the 2,000 mile mark. My 65k mile 5.0 takes usually a quart (mostly towing) and my old commuter car may take a little more than that…

    Everyone has their preferences and not one opinion is wrong, because it’s a preference. If someone wants to spend more money in the long run in hopes of extending their engine life, then so be it.

    My ATV’s get changed every 2-300 miles. GASP! How could I do such a thing?! coffee

    Angler II
    Posts: 530
    #1804314

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Angler II wrote:</div>
    From what I’ve read, There is no fix.

    Correct, there is no fix for the early eco oil and timing chain issue other than hope yours doesn’t go. Do your best to keep it in one piece (change your oil more often to keep fuel out), ensure proper oil level (eco’s are notorious for blowby) and be prepared to drop almost exactly $1K in parts and double or triple in labor (if you bring it in) when it fails. I’ve done one, soon to be two 3.5 eco’s with stretched chains. Even 1/2″ stretch will give you significant power back once it’s replaced.

    Me? 6,000 miles on Motorcraft oil. No exceptions and I do not follow the oil life monitor. Top off my vehicles at the 2,000 mile mark. My 65k mile 5.0 takes usually a quart (mostly towing) and my old commuter car may take a little more than that…

    Everyone has their preferences and not one opinion is wrong, because it’s a preference. If someone wants to spend more money in the long run in hopes of extending their engine life, then so be it.

    My ATV’s get changed every 2-300 miles. GASP! How could I do such a thing?! coffee

    My truck puked a chain at 145,000. I know the drill.

    Dave maze
    Isanti
    Posts: 980
    #1804318

    I had a conversation with a retired ford mechanic about the ecoboost timing chain issue. He had one car with documented oil changes every 3000 miles with the cleanest engine components he’s ever seen have a stretched chain at 150k. There is no fix. I still purchased one knowing the engine will have to be pulled for that at some point. If the car is reliable up till then, I’ll be happy with it.

    404 ERROR
    MN
    Posts: 3918
    #1804347

    I still purchased one knowing the engine will have to be pulled for that at some point. If the car is reliable up till then, I’ll be happy with it.

    No pulling necessary. The valve covers and front engine cover and all components attached to it need to come off, but that’s about it. Sounds crazy complicated, but it’s really not that hard if you pay attention to detail while installing with new gaskets and seals.

    Deleted
    Posts: 959
    #1804354

    Nope. At 20% I call to make the appointment at the $tealership. $150 for an oil change, tire rotation & change fluid in both diffs (Honda requires it)….Drives me nuts. I only go to them cause it is a 2017. Should just start doing that myself too.

    Dave maze
    Isanti
    Posts: 980
    #1804359

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Dave maze wrote:</div>
    I still purchased one knowing the engine will have to be pulled for that at some point. If the car is reliable up till then, I’ll be happy with it.

    No pulling necessary. The valve covers and front engine cover and all components attached to it need to come off, but that’s about it. Sounds crazy complicated, but it’s really not that hard if you pay attention to detail while installing with new gaskets and seals.

    I hope your right! Btw, it’s in a taurus. That may make things more complicated.

    mxskeeter
    SW Wisconsin
    Posts: 3810
    #1804363

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>mxskeeter wrote:</div>
    Part of the long oil change idea is marketing by the Automobile companies. The long interval and no grease fittings means that they can tell fleet companies (think Hertz, Avis, Enterprise,etc) that there brand costs less to maintain=more sales to said companies.

    Source? How can you say it’s market based and not chemistry based? Just because a rental company demands a longer oil change interval doesn’t mean that the manufacturers are compromising the life of their engines.

    I read the marketing theory when the long intervals first started coming in to play. It was in a professional auto source magazine. Can’t tell you which or when. Now is it true-I don’t know. Sound logical-yes it does.
    BG you have your opinion and so does everyone else. Don’t get your undies in a bundle.
    If everything the auto companies told was true. There would be no recalls or tech service bulletins.
    If you think the only ones who have car/truck problems are people who abuse or neglect maintenance, you are wrong.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22456
    #1804379

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>mxskeeter wrote:</div>
    Part of the long oil change idea is marketing by the Automobile companies. The long interval and no grease fittings means that they can tell fleet companies (think Hertz, Avis, Enterprise,etc) that there brand costs less to maintain=more sales to said companies.

    Source? How can you say it’s market based and not chemistry based? Just because a rental company demands a longer oil change interval doesn’t mean that the manufacturers are compromising the life of their engines.

    Cost of ownership is DEFINITELY touted by ALL Manufacturers, not only to rental companies, but to consumers. In my 15+ years in the industry, I can say that what is recommended by the manufacturer, is designed to help your vehicle last past the stated warranty… if changing the oil every 10K does not cause failure before the end of the stated warranty (typically 100K or 60K) that is what they will recommend. If changing it every 5K makes the engine last 250K, they will not necessarily recommend it, they want to sell parts and vehicles. Also, manufacturers are also graded/rewarded on how “green” their vehicles are… not only fuel mileage, but oil consumption/changes during a given period. You won’t find this readily stated, but the laws and regulations are written, so as to encourage longer oil change intervals and even the use of synthetic, as it decreases our reliance on petroleum products. Take it for what it is worth.

    bigcrappie
    Blaine
    Posts: 4330
    #1804385

    Wow, OK so no one really answered my question but maybe 3 guys. With my OCD I will change it at 20%. I do all my own work and used to go 7500 on my other cars with synthetic no problems. Videos on Youtubes shoe catch cans catching all kinds of crud from these engines. So I wanted to see what everyone was doing.

    404 ERROR
    MN
    Posts: 3918
    #1804388

    Wow, OK so no one really answered my question but maybe 3 guys. With my OCD I will change it at 20%. I do all my own work and used to go 7500 on my other cars with synthetic no problems. Videos on Youtubes shoe catch cans catching all kinds of crud from these engines. So I wanted to see what everyone was doing.

    Catch cans are over-used, IMO. They can be beneficial on turbo engines where oil contamination “could” cause turbo issues. Other than that, small amounts of oil in an intake is relatively normal. If it ever flows back into the filter and in turn contaminates the MAF, then there would be a need for one. Usually catch cans are patching or covering up a problem with a PCV or other crankcase pressure issue…A couple ounces in a couple thousand miles isn’t enough to warrant any sort of can.

    The early 3.5 NA motors from the Explorers, Edge and Taurus had some issues with excessive oil in the intake, coming from the non PCV side. It was remedied by Ford adding a baffle in the valve cover, not by a catch can.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22456
    #1804390

    A lot of factors, dusty conditions ? Short trips ? Long trips ? I myself run full synthetic and change spring and fall… about 6-8K depending on how many long trips I took. As far as oil life monitoring, should be fine as long as you are not driving on 30 miles of gravel a day and using the recommended oil. I believe most manufacturers also have verbiage to not exceed XX,XXX miles or XX months. For reference, my 2018 RAM says never exceed 10,000 miles or 12 months, no matter what the oil life reminder says.

    311hemi
    Dayton, MN
    Posts: 742
    #1804391

    I change my Eco-boost every 5000 miles with a couple of level checks in between changes. My oil life indicator normally reads around 50%. Better safe then sorry in my opinion.

    Same here. A good friend of mine is a Ford mechanic that has replaced many timing chains on Eco’s, he said if he owned one he would be changing every 5k. I have been changing every 5k on my eco, running Penz Plat with the MC filters. Fairly cheap when doing it yourself and buying from wally world.

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