Fishing less pressured species

  • arklite881south
    Posts: 5660
    #1301588

    While the majority of anglers choose to pursue traditional game fish this season don’t underestimate the fun factor of hooking up less pressured fish. Many of these fish are quite vulnerable to hook and line with the soon to come onset of the 2010-2011 Ice fishing season. Minnesota lakes give up freakishly large Whitefish, Eel Pout and even big numbers of monster Smallmouth bass during the hardwater season. Still these fish remain under the radar, and receive little press by hardwater anglers. Over the last couple years I’ve fielded a growing number of phone calls from group leaders wanting to target fish that are a bit out of the “NORM” when it comes to traditional Ice fishing species like Walleyes, Pike, Crappies, Perch and Gils.

    Here is something you just MIGHT want to consider. Eel Pout are quite possibly one of the least appreciated, yet extreme fighting fish roaming northern Minnesota lakes. They grow to enormous size, and are often times known to be very willing biters when pinpointed. Pout trips most always take place at night when these ugly deep water fish swarm around winter spawning grounds, and are the only Ice fishing trip I offer 1/2 days on simply so I can get SOME sleep!! Most anglers will seldom tap into the fish of many names during the open water season as they mostly hold down in the deep dark water. The Eel Pout also referred to as “Lawyer”, “Freshwater Cod” or Burbout are fantastic tablefare,and I vividly remember my grandpa telling me that on his early pioneering trips into Canada how the fish were simply coveted. Local Natives would go crazy over the Pout and claim the fish the purest meat, and feed it to their babies. I never knew exactly what to believe from my grandpa that ate Muskrat, dandelions, turtle…..But in this case I will have to agree with his passsed on knowledge. Located along top of the back there are two meaty “Backstraps”, and if the fish is large enough a delicous tail section. Boiled in 7-up or a Bay Leaf mixture and dipped in drawn butter will thoroughly suprise your taste buds. When boiled in 7-up I believe the soon to become Opaque colored meat absorbes the sugar from the pop further sweetening the meat. This just might be something you want to consider adding to your bucket list this year. My favorite presentation for Pout consists of the same 1/8 oz. Lightning spoons or Vertiglows tipped with a minnow head. Pictured is a 38.5 inch 14.5lb Burbout I iced a couple years ago. The state record If I recall is around the 19lb mark!!

    Whitefish are truly a fish of the Northwoods much the same as many would consider the Lake Trout. Whitefish should not be confused with tullibee. Although these fish look very much the same the Whitefish and “Tuli” have a different shaped mouth. One pointing up and the other slightly down (Need to jog my memory to remember which one is which!!). The other way you’ll tell the difference is that the “Tuli” when fried up properly will taste similiar to old wet Dog food while the Brilliant white flakes in the Whitefish meat is amazing. Whitefish are often times caught around schools of Crappies. It is my belief that Whitefish are feeding on mud bugs/larvea much the same as large crappies. The whitefish are commonly mistaken by anglers staring down at there Marcums as big pike as they leave a heavy mark, and are often suspended high in the water column over deep haunts. Don’t be shocked when chasing big panfish in Border country if you end up going toe to toe with what appears to be the worlds LARGEST SHINER!! My favorite presentation for Whitefish is a Diamond jig or small slender spoon in Bright silver packed with Euro Larvea shaken suspended over deep water.

    Smallmouth bass at times are discussed with fear of ridicule. Smallmouth anglers tend to think these coveted fish should be protected statewide by powers to be in some neck of the woods. I tend to disagree reading both sides of the arguments. With this said I will say ALL fish need to be both targeted and cared for with common sense. Smallies typically are not knownt to travle great distances during the winter months lending themselves IF LOCATED what many consider more vulnerable to the ice angler. I personally never keep smallmouth bass open or hard water. I consider them strictly a sport fish, and always handle with care. These fish are located in relatively deep wintering structure on some lakes, yet shallow Boulder piles in others. The depth relationship between these smallmouth and the lake has everything to do with the make-up of the lake your fishing them on. I would suggest against targeting Deep Smallies in the winter due to possible hooking mortality issues. I have located in past years these scrappy fighting and bladder blow outs. On the otherhand toads in 10-20 foot depths I feel rarely suffer any sort of hooking mortality if anglers handle fish quickly and efficiently. Again I would urge anglers to handle fish with caution, and slip them back down the hole. These smallmouth bass are much more lethargic when taking your presentation than say during the open water season. The bite is similiar to a big crappie inhaling your offering only when you slam the hook home that fish often times goes the other way!! My favorite presentation for Big smallies is a diamond jig Packed with Euro Larvea on a light action rod with a small diameter Braided line.

    So this season if you find yourself in a rut, or if the traditional bites slow down you might want to try something new. You just MIGHT find it is the most rewarding fishing of your entire season!!

    Stay thirsty my friends!!


    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59998
    #911408

    I was right with you until you posted the bass Chris!

    Big fish (whatever brand) are “memory makers”.

    fireman731
    Miles, Iowa
    Posts: 574
    #911430

    We have caught quite a few burbott while fishing for lake trout in canada. Fun fish, strong fighters ! They do have one alarming habit that I was not aware of at first…I couldn’t get to the net so I grabbed one behind the head…it proceeded to wrap itself around my arm ! Now I don’t much care for snakes and having something foreign wrap itself around my arm like that was just wrong…really wrong ! But I eventually got over it.

    Steve Root
    South St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 5651
    #911432

    In Alaska, they consider Northern Pike to be an invasive species and view them with outright hatred. On the other hand, the Alaskan DNR has extensive programs in place to protect Burbot and help them flourish. They’re highly regarded and most everyone up there hopes their numbers increase. Go figure

    Rootski

    Calvin Svihel
    Moderator
    Northwest Metro, MN
    Posts: 3862
    #911438

    I love catching those smallies. Early ice they are just as crazy as the fall…

    Chad Thompson
    2 hours from Thunder Bay, Ontario
    Posts: 325
    #911443

    Chris –

    Do you have any suggestions on cleaning white fish and pout? Most anglers really struggle with it and it maybe a big reason why they avoid them.

    arklite881south
    Posts: 5660
    #911459

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    Chris –

    Do you have any suggestions on cleaning white fish and pout? Most anglers really struggle with it and it maybe a big reason why they avoid them.


    Without having one on the table I’ll see if I can talk you through a Pout. Make an incision behind the head and start it around the large stomache region of the pout. I nail on a board can hold the fish in positin while you remove the skin with a set of pliers much the same as a bullhead. Exposed after the skin has been removed all the way over the tail section will be obvious sections of meat I refered to as the “Pout Backstraps”. You can filet these rolls of meet almost the same as a deer back strap starting behind the head of the fish until you reach the tail section. If carefull you can then continue your cut to slid your knive down the through the tail meat. repeat process for the other side.

    Whitefish on the otherhand are highly regarded as one of the BEST smoking meats for fish you’ll find. In theory smoking fish tend to have a slightly greasy texture to the meat, but I’ve not encountered that with a Whitefish. To start simply fillet the meat off the fish like a pike or walleye. Then feel with your fingers for an internal bone similiar to a Pike Y-Bone. Personally I end up with 2 boneless portions of meat, but without having one filmed I’m going to have a tough time explaining that bone strucure. I would however say it isn’t intimidating. Get that piece of meat on a board and you’ll understand after fish #1 how that bone sits in the meat. BTW a 6-9lb Whitefish handled properly is a great fish baked with seasonings!

    Mudshark
    LaCrosse WI
    Posts: 2973
    #911460

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    Chris –

    Do you have any suggestions on cleaning white fish and pout? Most anglers really struggle with it and it maybe a big reason why they avoid them.


    My question also……I have read that you need to clean and process as quickly as possible…..any truth to that??
    I plan on fishing Green Bay for them this winter.

    arklite881south
    Posts: 5660
    #911469

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    Chris –

    Do you have any suggestions on cleaning white fish and pout? Most anglers really struggle with it and it maybe a big reason why they avoid them.


    My question also……I have read that you need to clean and process as quickly as possible…..any truth to that??
    I plan on fishing Green Bay for them this winter.


    It is my belief that all fish are unquestionably better tablefare when handled with proper care through the entire process. I like to keep fish from freezing for obvious reasons, but will keep the fish packed in Ice shavings from drilling holes. Also to keep eagles and other scavengers from hitting the meat pile. I would say it is not advisable to have fish sitting in the sun allowing any protective slime on the skin to be absorbed into the meat. Of course don’t play football all day with the fish then in turn decide to cook it up for supper, and expect it to taste good. Similiar to a Northern pike rinse the fish repeatedly to assure ALL fishy slime is removed from the meat. BTW Northern Pike are truly what I would consider the BEST baked meat in the northwoods. Proper handling of our game fish for future tablefare is simply critical to a quality taste. Beyond that with the luxury of hitting the water on a consistent basis I RARELY have fish frozen for long or at all. Most of the time a fresh catch that will grace our supper table will have been flipping a few hours earlier!! I am a firm believer fish that when frozen fish lose some sort of oil substance in the meat which defines the difference in taste between say a Shorelunch fish and the same fish taken out of the freezer. Fresh is always best!! Beyond that proper care of your catch is advised if great taste is sought.

    slipperybob
    Lil'Can, MN
    Posts: 1424
    #911560

    I can’t believe Chris considered my tullibees as junk to a whitefish.

    LOL’s. I still like my deep fried tullees. I have no idea what wet dog food would taste like.

    That’s also a nice eel pout picture.

    arklite881south
    Posts: 5660
    #911576

    LOL!! To each their own!! Heck I like “Oyster Stew” (My wife nearly Pukes just smelling it) so I’m cetainly not one in a position to judge!! NOW I will say that I’ve had several customers insist on keeping the tullibees, but they’ve always told me they liked to smoke them becuase of their oily skin. I will admit I have not personally tasted dog food or a deep fried Tullibee, but I’ve had talked to many that have. The general opinion was actually a bit more harsh than “Wet Dog Food!!”

    poppy402
    Eagle Point Wisconsin
    Posts: 948
    #911637

    I hear ya chris! Those eelpout are a blast to fight, unless you have never caught one before and you think you have a 31 inch walleye on and then you see a python come up the hole !

    The St louis also has a good run of them, if anyone is interested. Like you said, the average weight of these fish is crazy! When you see a wavy mark show up on the marcum, hang onto your rod! Your into a fight with a heavyweight!

    arklite881south
    Posts: 5660
    #911646

    DANG IT I’m getting fired up!! Stop it Grant!!

    In all honesty I’m deathly afraid of snakes!! DON’T GET ME STARTED!! Earlier there was mention of these freaks wrapping around your arm. This is FACT Boys. Suck it up….I’ve had to!!

    I clearly remember jumping off a bunk in my younger years in the middle of the night listening to the jingle bells of a rattle reel. Greatest alarm clark in the world. Practically melting on the top bunk and runnning on a No-Sleep buzz I put the heat to a large fish. The fish was really dogging me, and I kept hollering to my buddy Mike who was laughing his *** off to get a light on!! Well when the fish broke the surface I immediately had the thoughts of a GIANT POUT race through my mind. Through the darkness in the house I held up this “GHOST” fish being careful not to get it on my sleeping bag without touching it until Mike put his light on a big walleye!! LOL!! Something about those Pout only a blind mother could truly love. Now after many years of chasing these fish I’ve grown to love those ugly SOB’s!! However they still put a chill down my spine when they wrap.


    iceman1985
    Grand Rapids, MI
    Posts: 257
    #911656

    Chris, those things look like a blast to fight. I have tangled with some big dog fish in my time and those guys put up a heck of a fight as well, or am I just stupid and those are the same thing. Anyways, snakes arnt all that bad. Once you realize that you will live after being bitten by a 8 foot blackheaded python, not much bothers you after that. You are talking to a real nerd here, Reptile Team in high school. I will remember if I am ever in MN to keep a rubber snake in my sled to give to you as a gift.

    arklite881south
    Posts: 5660
    #911658

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    Chris –

    Do you have any suggestions on cleaning white fish and pout? Most anglers really struggle with it and it maybe a big reason why they avoid them.


    My question also……I have read that you need to clean and process as quickly as possible…..any truth to that??
    I plan on fishing Green Bay for them this winter.


    OK………..I dug up some photos I took a couple years ago to give a visual of the step by step process I use cleaing these “Lawyers” if you choose to boil one up for your Christmas party!! Special Note!! The Queen just about lost her cookies as the Camera gal!! There will likey no more step by step fish cleaning shots out of the Daze Camp.





    arklite881south
    Posts: 5660
    #911664

    Yeah it is kind of a running joke in our household since I’m literally such a “Girly Man” when it comes to snakes!! Even the “Queen” likes to send plastic snakes in my deer hunting bags, and stuff like that. Very Funny!! A couple years ago I was guiding a group of 4. I was on the bow mount when I noticed a gardner snake swimming along side the boat. I tried to manuever the boat in a way that the snake would avoid our path. Instead that freak got boatside. As in went under the boat I asked (trying not to sound as though I was about ready to swim for it) if it came out the backside of the boat? Nobody could find it, and I was like “REALLY!!” “Did you guys NOT SEE IT COME OUT!!” “REALLY!!” Then all of the sudden that “Devils Slider” slipped up a back rod holder, and was coming in for a visit. I literally would have shot it if I’d been packing heat!! Thankfully one of the guys got it with a needlenose and sent it overboard. I pushed the boat on 10 power to get out of SNAKE BAY!! As we all laughed for the next half hour!! DANG SNAKES ANYWAY!!

    ealbrecht
    Posts: 52
    #911670

    you forgot to mention ice fishing for carp, the hardest fighting fish under the ice!!

    iceman1985
    Grand Rapids, MI
    Posts: 257
    #911671

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    Yeah it is kind of a running joke in our household since I’m literally such a “Girly Man” when it comes to snakes!! Even the “Queen” likes to send plastic snakes in my deer hunting bags, and stuff like that. Very Funny!! A couple years ago I was guiding a group of 4. I was on the bow mount when I noticed a gardner snake swimming along side the boat. I tried to manuever the boat in a way that the snake would avoid our path. Instead that freak got boatside. As in went under the boat I asked (trying not to sound as though I was about ready to swim for it) if it came out the backside of the boat? Nobody could find it, and I was like “REALLY!!” “Did you guys NOT SEE IT COME OUT!!” “REALLY!!” Then all of the sudden that “Devils Slider” slipped up a back rod holder, and was coming in for a visit. I literally would have shot it if I’d been packing heat!! Thankfully one of the guys got it with a needlenose and sent it overboard. I pushed the boat on 10 power to get out of SNAKE BAY!! As we all laughed for the next half hour!! DANG SNAKES ANYWAY!!


    That is a great story. If you can’t laugh about it then it can cripple you. You are more of a man for admiting you fear. Also, your wife is hilarious. Rubber snakes in your hunting bag?!?! That is great! Ten points for “The Queen”.

    Oh, Chris, just watched the walleye episode where you stuck your whole arm in the whole to get that huge marble, Twice! Ten THOUSAND points for your arm. Surprised it didn’t fall off from frost bite.

    arklite881south
    Posts: 5660
    #911682

    That arm down the hole was a clear defining moment in that shoot!! Both James and I still get a good chuckle out of that whenever we get together on a shoot. If it ever looks like we’re having too much fun when fishing together…….It is very likely because we PROBABLY ARE! LOL!! The pure adrenaline of icing a monster walleye is easily doubled knowing it has been accomplished on film for all to enjoy!! I’m going back to watch that particlar clip again!! I vividly remember the stunned look James had on his face as we both saw that Small treble catch the lip of the ice. I remember James saying push it down with the scoop?? NO WAY BABY!! THAT SPECIAL FISH WILL GET SPECIAL TREATMENT!!

    Yeah the Queen……….She’s a real HOOT!! We still liv like as though we’re just kids bucking a grown up world!!

    arklite881south
    Posts: 5660
    #911684

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    you forgot to mention ice fishing for carp, the hardest fighting fish under the ice!!


    Can’t forget those carp Bobb-O!! What did you stick that fish with??

    poppy402
    Eagle Point Wisconsin
    Posts: 948
    #911687

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    Yeah it is kind of a running joke in our household since I’m literally such a “Girly Man” when it comes to snakes!! Even the “Queen” likes to send plastic snakes in my deer hunting bags, and stuff like that. Very Funny!! A couple years ago I was guiding a group of 4. I was on the bow mount when I noticed a gardner snake swimming along side the boat. I tried to manuever the boat in a way that the snake would avoid our path. Instead that freak got boatside. As in went under the boat I asked (trying not to sound as though I was about ready to swim for it) if it came out the backside of the boat? Nobody could find it, and I was like “REALLY!!” “Did you guys NOT SEE IT COME OUT!!” “REALLY!!” Then all of the sudden that “Devils Slider” slipped up a back rod holder, and was coming in for a visit. I literally would have shot it if I’d been packing heat!! Thankfully one of the guys got it with a needlenose and sent it overboard. I pushed the boat on 10 power to get out of SNAKE BAY!! As we all laughed for the next half hour!! DANG SNAKES ANYWAY!!


    haha thats halarious! Hopefully i didnt put a bad image in your head by saying they were like a python coming up the hole lol. Just the way they wiggle on the ice freaks me out. Im not a fan of snakes either! maybe thats why we live in the north. I dont think i could live down south for a day, snakes and spidersm yuck! lol

    ealbrecht
    Posts: 52
    #911689

    That particular one came on a Lindy Darter while i was sight fishing for bass, but the majority of the other ones we get come on tip-ups or tip-downs

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