i have that same question, but i will be trying it thursday at mcbride. only i don’t know if its clear enough yet to use there. i know neither work that great in just a open boat, which is all that i have tried so far. didn’t purchase it till september. can’t wait for the hard stuff and a dark hut. i got the telescope pole too, hoping that will help me with a larger radius from the boat and places where i can’t get otherwise and not having to move the boat too soon. like i say this will be a learning experience. mcbride is the only lake i know within hundreds of miles of me clear enough to try at this time.