i’d love to see first ice on November 30th. However I don’t think we’ll be on the clear stuff until the 2nd week of december. Just a feeling. and you just know we are going to get a good hard 1.5 or 2 and all of a sudden its going to snow like hell and we’re screwed again 
I don’t care so much how soon it gets here..just pray that it is long lived and safe. Last year was terrible.sucks when the fish go deep in jan-feb and the only places you can go are shallow if you are even lucky enough to find ice
sorry guys, wishing I could be more optimistic. I am a believer in global warming 