Remember Operation “Fish Hook”?

  • Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1359997

    Where piles of Northerns with a few Walleyes mixed in were found rotting in the woods up North?

    The fishing community was outraged by the alleged waste of fish by a certain race?

    Welcome to Pelican Lake, and the white mans waste.

    In an interview with Outer Boundary Magazine, the “sportsman” said the larger fish were taken home and the smaller fish were pushed back into the hole.

    I question the difference between this and piles of pike in the Northern woods of Minnesota?

    BBKK
    IA
    Posts: 4033
    #1394525

    These fish are going to die anyways (if they were even all alive when netted) and are living in a fishery that will not survive. The northerns, musky, and walleye were taken from an active fishery that would greatly benefit from having the fish alive and in the lake.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1394526

    All fish will die at some point, just like moose. But that’s not the point…

    The fish in Northern MN were dumped illegally and so were these.

    Quote:


    Do not leave any trash or litter on the lakes and take home all fish that are caught.


    MN DNR Rules on Liberalized Fishing<<

    BBKK
    IA
    Posts: 4033
    #1394527

    Oh I think I misunderstood the point you were trying to get across. I was thinking you meant why the DNR is allowing people to net and take what they want here, but the other race couldn’t take what they wanted. I now see you mean the fact that the fish were left on the ice. IMO its no different than leaving a pile in the woods.

    Edit:.. well hell I guess that was wrong too. I don’t know what you are trying to compare here. One was illegally netted fish from an active fishery dumped in the woods, other was half-dead or fully dead fish netted from a doomed fishery and culled back to where they were netted from. I don’t see any similarities there other than the use of a net.

    Outdraft
    Western Wi.
    Posts: 1149
    #1394530

    Maybe they were put out out for the starving wolves

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1394531

    Quote:


    Do not leave any trash or litter on the lakes and take home all fish that are caught.


    Just because a fishery is dead, doesn’t me we don’t have to obey the law.

    If I netted a pile of fish and left them when the law clearly states I need to take all fish home that I caught, it’s no different then leaving a pile of fish in the wood whether it’s an active fishery or not.

    That’s a moot point.

    Dave Ansell
    Rushford, MN
    Posts: 1572
    #1394533

    This is plain and simple wanton waste. Does not matter if there is no limit, these fish were still left to waste. I think that is the point. The DNR did not say take only the bigger fish you want they said there was no limit so the fish could be of use to someone.

    sauger
    Hastings ,MN
    Posts: 2442
    #1394534

    This is a huge step people! Brian is starting to get feelings for fish with scales

    BBKK
    IA
    Posts: 4033
    #1394535

    I don’t really understand the point of that “regulation”. Who wants to take home a thousands 5″ crappies to be able to take a few northerns? Seems like a way for the DNR to say “go get em!” then throw in a rule that will deter people.

    Similar to the open hunting season on starlings. DNR asks us to kill as many as we can, but then says you have to go pick them all up and take them home or be fined (even on private land). What are you going to do with a garbage bag full or starlings? Same for snows in the spring. Many states have no limits and openly tell people to shoot as many as possible.. then you have to take them home and clean them or be fined. Others let you burn them or pile them up on private property. Always a way to stick ya.

    BBKK
    IA
    Posts: 4033
    #1394536

    Quote:


    This is plain and simple wanton waste. Does not matter if there is no limit, these fish were still left to waste. I think that is the point. The DNR did not say take only the bigger fish you want they said there was no limit so the fish could be of use to someone.


    Says the fish were put back in the water? The net and bucket is there so obviously they weren’t abandoned during the photo.

    How is it wanton waste when you catch a net full of half dead fish, take out the bigger half dead fish, then put the rest of the half dead fish back in the hole they came from? Sounds like catch and release to me….

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1394539

    Quote:


    Sounds like catch and release to me


    It would be had they used a rod and reel.

    BBKK
    IA
    Posts: 4033
    #1394541

    Quote:


    Quote:


    Sounds like catch and release to me


    It would be had they used a rod and reel.


    So does that mean the regulation on all fish being caught need to be kept doesn’t mean anything? Since netting isn’t catching?

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1394547

    Special regulations with special rules. One rule is to take all fish caught home.

    I’ll check the dictionary to see if there’s another meaning to those words. Hold on…I’ll be right back.

    BBKK
    IA
    Posts: 4033
    #1394550

    Just a FYI, the dictionary is that book on the floor keeping the kitchen table level.

    Outdraft
    Western Wi.
    Posts: 1149
    #1394553

    There used to be something somewhere about about illeagal aliens, guess part of that got edited out, someone else brought up the ? About possesion sp? Limit, i think it’s an interesting subject if one has all those fillets in the freezer , do you have to be an illegal alien from mars to not to get a ticket or have a valid fishing license and a ss number pay taxes etc before they go theough the effort to try and take your hard earned dollar, ya im just makin controversy i know

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1394563

    Quote:


    Rules for taking fish from lakes opened to liberalized fishing:

    The lakes are only open to liberalized fishing for a short time period. So check the dates on posted signs or in local newspapers.
    You are required to have a resident angling license to take fish on liberalized lakes.
    You may take fish in any quantity for personal use from lakes opened to liberalized fishing.
    You may sell rough fish.
    You may take fish by spear, gillnet, or angling (check each lake at the access site, gillnets may not be allowed at all lakes).
    You may not use seines, hoop nets, fyke nets, or explosives to take fish.
    All trespass laws are in effect and you should abide by them when accessing lakes.
    Do not leave any trash or litter on the lakes and take home all fish that are caught.


    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1394569

    The people who left the fish behind on the ice were wrong, plain and simple. If you want to partake in the special rules, you need to follow all of them. You don’t have to fillet and eat them all, you can throw the extras away. Or a better option would be to freeze some extra fish for fertilizer.

    The DNR should be out there enforcing this.

    Fife
    Ramsey, MN
    Posts: 4054
    #1394573

    I have been to 3 lakes over the years that were opened up to liberalized fishing and they all looked just like this picture with fish laying on the ice, so this is nothing new. Most of the fish in those other piles were carp. I don’t agree with it but I want to point out that I have been to these lakes when the DNR were there and am yet to see anyone get a ticket.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1394574

    I whole whole heartedly believe that Fife…

    Still doesn’t change the fact or the law.

    …and makes it worse!

    The DNR prosecuted tribal members (and others) for wasting fish, but it’s ok for this group to do it??

    ______________
    Inactive
    MN - 55082
    Posts: 1644
    #1394580

    If it was closer, I’d head over and shovel them up for my garden. I’ve got a really big garden and like to ferment my own fish scraps for fertilizer. Might be a good addition to somebody’s food plot?

    the_grump
    Le Center
    Posts: 612
    #1394581

    Maybe its a dumb question, but i’ve always thought the net in the photo is what the rules referred to as a hoop net. Maybe a hoop net is something else?

    If any fish are left behind “wanton waste” there should be fines.
    PS I’ve seen a video of this same thing going around on facebook, should be easy to find the culprits.

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13310
    #1394585

    To bad there isnt a good use for those smaller fish or people wanting to keep them. The entire situation on that lake seems a little messy to me. Guess the DNR could of kept regular regs on the lake but Im sure everyone would of been up in arms that the lake wasnt opened up to liberalized fishing. So they do open it up and this is what they get. Seems messy anyway you look at it.

    Tom Sawvell
    Inactive
    Posts: 9559
    #1394591

    Kevin….Under Minnesota statute this is wanton waste. A crime. Its not about the fish dying anyway. The laws are specific in this instance….if you dip’em, you own them,they cannot be put back nor can they be left on the ice. What, people don’t know anyone with a garden?

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1394594

    Hoop Net

    I don’t think anyone is against liberalized fishing on lakes with depleted oxygen.

    nhamm
    Inactive
    Robbinsdale
    Posts: 7348
    #1394595

    Is it guaranteed that the fish are going to die? Usually always a remote chance that some may survive.

    esoxhunter
    Posts: 44
    #1394602

    Mike, I think a great use for those small fish would be to feed the raptors at the various sanctuaries around the Midwest. We donate fish scraps from cleaning panfish, but I bet they would love to get those smaller whole fish.

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13310
    #1394606

    Wouldn’t be surprised if a few birds are not finding those fish already. Along with yotes, skunks and who know what else. Might be a blessing for those critters after a long hard winter.

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #1394607

    Quote:


    The DNR prosecuted tribal members (and others) for wasting fish, but it’s ok for this group to do it??


    Charged, but never prosecuted.

    You ask what is the difference? Easy answer. When the tribes net fish and then dump them in the woods, that is illegal. When the DNR opens a lake to liberal fishing by licensed anglers, no law is broken.

    -J.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1394610

    Quote:


    Do not leave any trash or litter on the lakes and take home all fish that are caught.


    Tribes netting is not illegal either…

    On Pelican, it’s legal until they are left on the ice or pushed back into the hole.

    I would respectfully content that this above law has been broken.

    nord
    Posts: 744
    #1394611

    I’m with you BK. However you view this, the bottom line is it’s a terrible waste.

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