My thoughts on the LX-9 so far….good & bad

  • Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13394
    #1305013

    I thought I would share my thoughts on my new LX-9. I know a couple guys on here have them now, and hopefully a few others will jump in with their pros and cons as well. I’m not on the Ice Force, no pro-Staff relations to Marcum or any related subsidiaries. I simply don’t have a horse in the race.

    It is not very often that something in the hunting or fishing industry comes along that inspires me. As many may know, I have had hummingbird 1197’s since the day they came out and have been a huge fan of the Side Imaging and Down Imaging technology. For the last couple years, I’ve dropped emails and various communications to Johnson Outdoors asking for more features incorporated into the 800 series and up for ice fishing. Apparently they didn’t listen. But, Marcum definitely stepped up to the plate in product development and put almost everything I wanted into the LX-9! (Kind of like the annoying Windows 7 commercials where everyone takes credit for the design)

    When the box arrives, there is an awe factor. The 8” screen and the over-all mass looks sleek and awesome. Then reality sets in. Get that battery on charge, and go online to the Marcum website to read over the manual. That took a little searching on the website, so here is the link: http://marcumtech.com/~marcum/manuals It does pay to take some time to scroll through the menu options to get familiar with the layout. I went through everything once, and configured the screen before hitting the ice to how I thought I might like to see the layout. I’m glad I did as once I found fish, I found it was hard to keep taking the time to play with it.

    WOW, the clarity is second to none. It is so incredibly easy to see the screen regardless of straight on or at an angle. (Thanks to a couple previous posts, I knew to take the snow shield off). The different color palettes including the grayscale are very crisp and clear.

    The target separation is unlike any locator that I have used before. Within an hour of the first use of the unit, I could identify a Diamond jig at nearly the exact same level at a fish. Not distinguishing 3 or 4 inches, but rather the same level. This was proved when I incorporated the camera and watched crappies rise up to investigate a bait. As I observed them rise up with their mouth only an inch away, I was able to see the distinct red mark of the fish AND a light yellow line of my bait.

    The control panel features the Power, Sensitivity, Range, Zoom, I.R., Cone Angle, Target Adjust, Menu, and Up/Down arrows as buttons below the bottom of the screen. As I got quite involved with making changes on the ice, I found they were convenient to have. They are larger in size and easy to press. But there are a number of things I would like to have different in a perfect unit for me. First, I would like them located near the top, instead of the bottom. We bend over a lot while ice fishing and if we could minimize that in any way, it would help an old guy like me.

    Next, I would like a programmable buttons that could take you into particular menu sub options. Examples – Button “A” could be programmed to go to Menu-Display Options- Background. Button “B” could go Menu-View options. Everyone has their own personal preferences and I think this would serve well for many users.

    My other suggestion involves the Menu. First and foremost, the menu is very easy to use/navigate through. Nearly every option is placed in a logical manor and is easy to find. Having Left/Right buttons in addition to up/down would increase the speed to access certain options, but is very minor. More of a pet peeve began to develop for me as I wanted to make multiple changes. I would navigate through and make a change, then would be all the way back out. Then it was pressing Menu,….and so on to make my change. I know it’s not realistic to compare to Hummingbird, but after using H/birds software menu, it’s hard not to. That is where I go back to thinking how helpful it would be to have programmable buttons. Many of the deeper menu items most likely will not be accessed on a regular basis on a single outing. But having the few things that we may change frequently would be a huge convenience.

    I am in no way knocking the technology that Marcum is producing. In just a couple outings, I see it is already having an impact on my fishing. I’m merely looking at what cosmetic changes would make my life easier.

    Transducer – A question came up on sensitivity changes when the transducer is near the top of the hole or below the ice. During these first few opportunities to run it, I have found zero difference. I’ve ran it about 1” down, about 6-8” down, and below the bottom of the ice. Other than the depth change as the transducer placement was different, all the detail remained the same.

    Someone also had posted in the forum about how loud the clicking is in the transducer. TRUE! But once it’s a foot down the hole, to me it is a non-issue. In fact, when I turned my Vexilar FL-8 on, it was an annoying reminder on how loud the mechanical flasher is.

    As I was hole hopping a few more things came to light. I did discover the transducer placement had a negative affect when touching the ice on the side of the hole. If my unit slide back from the hole and the transducer was against the ice, detail – including my jig and fish would disappear. Simply extending the arm out more so the transducer was suspended away from the ice was an easy cure.

    The second thing I learned from hole hopping was the time it takes for the digital unit to display the bottom and associated detail in Auto or Dynamic mode. Coming from the mechanical flashers, I was conditioned for near immediate identification of the bottom and sometimes a minor adjustment of sensitivity or moving the transducer to get better return on a flasher. When the LX-9 was removed from a hole in one of the auto modes, it displayed a random depth or zero. However when you put the transducer in the next hole, it took to about 5 seconds for the bottom to display. Clearly the exceptional detail offsets the time, but when you’re in a hurry chasing suspended fish, I found it a bit annoying. The manual settings did a much better job and achieved my expectations with a very minimal amount of time.

    The final thing that I wanted to share on hole hopping is the case and balance. The LX-9 weighs considerable more than most – to be expected with a unit of this size. Personally that didn’t matter and I had that expectation before purchasing. I did disconnect the manta camera and pouch from the main case to lighten the load. Fortunately, someone had told me prior about their LX-9 falling out or almost falling when they picked it up by the handle. Without the camera, the first time I grabbed it by the handle, the unit flipped forward onto my feet. Fortunately, I was half prepared for this and a huge disaster was avoided. But the plastic bracket slid right out of the case. For a while, I held the bottom front as I lifted by the handle and moved hole to hole. Later in the day, I snapped the camera pouch back on, and the case was better balanced for hole hopping – though I was carrying more weight than what I wanted to. I think a good solution to this would be adding a pair of Velcro loops from the rear of the case and through the plastic inner frame. That way if the unit flips forward, it can’t slide out and virtually could be hung up-side-down.

    Battery sizing – The LX-9 comes with a 9 amp hour battery. I think that is sufficient for most day trips that we usually do. The manual stated the battery is shipped fully charged. I may have gotten one that slipped through which is no big deal to me. After 11 hours on the charger, it was ready to go. I tested the battery with my digital tester and it read 13.1 volts. The LX-9 voltammeter read 12.9V. Each outing now has averaged about 7 hours. That combines continual use of the sonar and about 1 to 1.5 hours of camera use. At the end of the day, the LX-9 voltammeter displayed 11.4V and my tester shown 11.5V. My opinion is the LX-9 display is accurate enough for any fishing application and gives a fair representation of the battery status. The manual reads “If the voltage drops below 11 volts, you may see a decrease in performance.” I don’t know what the minimal voltage to operate is, but I suspect at about 10.6V the unit may shut down like other electronics that I use. If I was planning on fishing for greater than 10 hours or more use on the camera, I would consider having a second battery with.

    The inner plastic frame has a molded spot specific for the dimensions of the 9ah battery. For as much as I have carried this unit around now, I’m confident the battery isn’t going anywhere. I did try to fit one of my 12 ah batteries in, and that just wasn’t going to work. It is about 1” wider and without sitting down into the provided molded space, it was too tall to fit beneath the handle. Again, not a big deal and only a consideration for myself, as I tend to put in some long days and already had the larger batteries. Easy fix to sell these batteries and pick up additional 9ah.

    Camera – See Holst’s post under the Lake MI whitefish for a great video. I previously owned the 625sd and was extremely pleased with the quality. So far, I see nothing that would lead me to believe that there is any less quality. Had my 625sd included a built in DVR, I would have never sold it. The DVR function is specifically one of the reasons I traded up for the LX-9. I have about 3 hours recorded so far and finally had a chance to play with the video for a while. I was in much more fertile water than what James was in up at Door County, so I have less field of view (limited only by the water clarity – not the camera). The micro SD is a bit challenging for my fat fingers and a tweezers is a great idea suggested by another IDO member. At this point, I’ll accept the extra minute or two to get it in the slot for just having the technology. It’s one of those things where having the ability does greatly outweigh the effort.

    There’s more I could ramble on with about how great this unit is. But I’m already getting cramped fingers from typing… Seriously if you get an opportunity to check out this digital technology, it’s worth the time to stare at it. I faced upgrading because my Vexilars were aging and I knew it was just a matter of time before I was forced to jump into something. So, I embraced the new technology and took a gamble………and hit the jackpot!

    I’ll have mine at the Onalaska GTG for anyone interested in seeing it on the ice

    blufloyd
    Posts: 698
    #1135813

    Glad I kept the old Vex all these years……

    milemark_714
    Posts: 1285
    #1135814

    Awesome write-up.How does the camera work in low or no light?

    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13394
    #1135815

    Quote:


    Awesome write-up.How does the camera work in low or no light?



    The LED lights are bright and I can only refer back to using the 625. In lower light conditions the b/w gives you a better image. The couple times I had it on at night was with the LEDs and it was fine for seeing specific structure. Fish definitely shy away from the lights.

    prospector
    Wyoming
    Posts: 118
    #1135822

    Thanks for the review! Sending in my 7 at the end of the year! How user friendly is the DVR? Thanks again and great post!

    jake47
    WI
    Posts: 602
    #1135827

    Quote:


    Thanks for the review! Sending in my 7 at the end of the year! How user friendly is the DVR? Thanks again and great post!


    Does Marcum take old units in trade towards a new unit? I have an LX-5 that I may be interested in trading towards a LX-9.

    weldon
    Rochester, Mn
    Posts: 304
    #1135880

    Thanks for the review. I appreciate the detail that you put into the post. I think it would be nice to have an update after about 10 outings to learn your further thoughts. I would expect the usage of programmable buttons as you suggest would be very useful.

    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13394
    #1135888

    Quote:


    How user friendly is the DVR?



    Very simple. Menu, Play/record – – > highlight menu – done

    rangerforme
    Posts: 55
    #1135902

    I’ve heard the LX-7/9 get pretty heavy if you are a big hole hopper. Sore shoulders in the morning.

    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13394
    #1135903

    Quote:


    I’ve heard the LX-7/9 get pretty heavy if you are a big hole hopper. Sore shoulders in the morning.



    Everyone’s perception of heavy is different. No doubt it is much heavier than my old vexilars. But for me, it wasn’t too bad. I like the idea of taking the camera off when I have no intention of using it. That helps a lot.

    Calvin Svihel
    Moderator
    Northwest Metro, MN
    Posts: 3862
    #1135904

    Quote:


    Quote:


    Thanks for the review! Sending in my 7 at the end of the year! How user friendly is the DVR? Thanks again and great post!


    Does Marcum take old units in trade towards a new unit? I have an LX-5 that I may be interested in trading towards a LX-9.


    MarCum doesn’t take trade-ins…best bet is Craigslist or a buddy who is looking for a great flasher.

    Quote:


    I’ve heard the LX-7/9 get pretty heavy if you are a big hole hopper. Sore shoulders in the morning.


    The weight isn’t really noticable when out fishing or even the next day. Where the weight does draw attention is if you hold a LX-9 in one arm and any other flasher in another. Yes its heavier but you also have camera components adding the extra weight.

    The heaviest piece is the battery, I am sure lighter batteries will be on the market very soon.

    Jesse Krook
    Y.M.H.
    Posts: 6403
    #1135925

    Prince Bait up near Mora will do trade-ins

    stevedobie
    Central, MN
    Posts: 478
    #1135930

    Great Post!!! I used mine for over 10 hours one day and was still fine on the battery. One thing I did miss was the ability to adjust the screen for color like my 825. It is heaver but really no big deal with what you get. I have only used mine one weekend so far but there is plenty more on the way.
    Best feature I like so far is the split screen.

    Great piece of equipment I do not regret buying.

    Question: Does it hurt the transducer when running it out of water with the clicking sound. I been putting it in simulator mode when moving or in camera only mode. It would be nice if the transducer was disabled in Camera only mode, but maybe I am missing something. Its new.

    castle-rock-clown
    Posts: 2596
    #1135958

    Quote:


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    Awesome write-up.How does the camera work in low or no light?



    The LED lights are bright and I can only refer back to using the 625. In lower light conditions the b/w gives you a better image. The couple times I had it on at night was with the LEDs and it was fine for seeing specific structure. Fish definitely shy away from the lights.



    Have you tried the camera in stained waters? If so what is your opinion.

    Joel Nelson
    Moderator
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3137
    #1135973

    Quote:


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    Quote:


    Awesome write-up.How does the camera work in low or no light?



    The LED lights are bright and I can only refer back to using the 625. In lower light conditions the b/w gives you a better image. The couple times I had it on at night was with the LEDs and it was fine for seeing specific structure. Fish definitely shy away from the lights.



    Have you tried the camera in stained waters? If so what is your opinion.


    It’s important to remember that the manta camera head is the same piece of hardware that’s on the VS825 and VS625sd, just on a slightly different screen. Camera performance in any stained body of water will be limited compared to clear water, but optimal viewing conditions (high skies, low snow-pack, shallower water, etc.) will get you by for all but the most stained water bodies. I’ve used it in backwater and brackish water conditions with no problems so far this year.

    Joel

    Joel Nelson
    Moderator
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3137
    #1135981

    Nice job Randy, thanks for your report. It’s amazing how far electronics have come. We’re getting to the point where these tools are so refined, we’re not only interested in what they can do, but with what efficiency, ergonomics, and customization they can perform those tasks with. I particularly agree with your observations on the mini-sd, but being a fat fingered fisherman also, I just don’t like mini-anything.

    Can’t wait to play more with that DVR, really cool feature. Feel free to post up any of the underwater vids you have!

    Thanks!

    Joel

    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13394
    #1136003

    Thanks Joel. I watched through what I have recorded so far, and its really blah. The quality for fertile water at 30′ was great, but not having any substantial schools of fish doesn’t do it any justice. The recording that I did was during some down time and I hoping to get a school or two of crappies moving through. When it comes to the video camera that I cary, and now a DVR, I find that catching fish is still more important and I forget to get the camera out
    My goal at the GTG in Onalaska is to be more social and play with the electronics more. Thought it would be fun to just run around with the camera for the day and hopefully put a few minute vid together of everyone that’s willing.

    stevedobie
    Central, MN
    Posts: 478
    #1136049

    Quote:


    I particularly agree with your observations on the mini-sd, but being a fat fingered fisherman also, I just don’t like mini-anything.


    The Mini SD Card is a pain however I have been using the USB connection the manual don’t talk about. It took a couple of minutes to get it setup right on the PC but worked great to transfer the videos off.

    The DVR is a little weird when it goes blank for a second just before recording and after recording. I would have thought that the Code could have spun another thread taking care of that. Play back is great and Deletion works great right on the unit itself.

    I wish the cover would allow for a tight RCA Jack connection and USB Connection without exposing all the other components. I may order a new cover so I can modify one to do what should be done for this model.

    Richard ronmark
    northwestern Ontario
    Posts: 17
    #1497579

    Quick question is the lx-9 the same as the 7 except for the camera?

    hamms
    Mn
    Posts: 493
    #1497604

    Yup, You can send it in and have it upgraded to the lx9 for 499 I believe.

    Denny O
    Central IOWA
    Posts: 5811
    #1497618

    Wow! Who pulled out the huge Track Hoe?

    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13394
    #1497736

    @OleCrosseyes I sense some sarcasm?

    I had forgotten about this post. Hard to believe its two years later. Was interesting to read this back over after two years of use and lcompare to how I think of the unit now.

    1. I still wish it had two or three programmable buttons located on the top of the unit.

    2. Wish the SD card was easier to access

    3. The last software upgrade I did took care of the time delay in displaying the bottom.

    Otherwise, by far the best unit I have used.

    gbfan10
    Hastings, mn
    Posts: 351
    #1497745

    Why do you recommend removing the snow screen from the unit? My screen would look like my teenagers iPhone 5 after about 3 uses if I didn’t have the snow shield on it.

    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13394
    #1497756

    Easier to see from more extreme angles. I don’t leave it off all the time, only when sun glare in interfering with my view

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17502
    #1497757

    Why the SD card port isn’t on the front or side boggles the mind

    Chris Raymond
    Keweenaw Peninsula, MI
    Posts: 514
    #1497768

    Randy, great post, I must have missed this earlier.

    This year I just purchased an LX-7, so the sonar is the same, and would add the two following comments that Marcum may want to consider in future updates:

    1) I wish we could save multiple setting combinations as separate profiles instead of just having one saved combination. I can see one for shallow water, one for mid-depth and another for way off the deep end.

    2) Similar to Joe’s comment above, I wish the USB port was more easily accessible. I’m guessing the present location has to do with allowing moisture into the unit but that’s just a guess.

    4walleye
    Central SD
    Posts: 109
    #1497820

    Easier to see from more extreme angles. I don’t leave it off all the time, only when sun glare in interfering with my view

    I just purchased a new LX9 and took it out on the water for the first time last night, so still on the learning curve. Randy, I was wondering if you have any go to screens, or views that you prefer?

    Thanks,
    Alan

    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13394
    #1497842

    @4walleye I really don’t have any one specific view that I like more than another – with the exception of when fish are very negative. Then i like as much historical data on the screen. Then I’ll take the flasher view off. If the fish are aggressive, the flasher view is probably most convenient. Everyone develops their own personal likes/dislikes. I’ve used this thing so much that it really doesn’t matter what view I’m in. Plus, combining with using my H/birds on my boat March to Dec, I really don’t use/like the flasher mode as much.

    Denny O
    Central IOWA
    Posts: 5811
    #1498001

    I haven’t seen the need to remove the clear cover so much as the rest of you. I leave it on to help protect the screen and try to help keep the snow off the screens face.

    Ok fine, call me what you will but I just try to protect a multiple “C Note” investment.

    I bought mine while I was at Reeds just after Randy did his review. AND I Blame Randy for the final straw that broke my wallets back at that time. When I arrived ta Reeds back in 2013 I was already set to purchase But when they were doing a promotional price with the group that I was there with,,,, WELL! Why the heck not.

    Awesome unit! I’ve kept my Vex 18 as a fall back. I’m starting to ask myself why, I have no problems with it’s functioning! I sold my Marcum VS825SD cause I didn’t need 2 of the same cameras.

    Randy is right on about wishing the menu would function like the HBs do. I also wish there they had 2 or 3 memory buttons. I have trouble trying to use a flasher in my boat unless in calm water and dead nut stationary. Maybe I need to try the “Bottom Lock (BL)” function a bit more on the vex. I love the unit! Sorry to say though my LX9 has not hit the water as yet this winter, between being hammered with work this past year and then a couple of injuries (major/minor) to left hand and right arm, I hope to get out before I join the IDO outing at Ballards, LOW!

    Thanks Marcum!

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17502
    #1592078

    Old but good post, seems like the software patches have been fixing issues found by owners.

    It’s a great all-in-one unit…

    Couple of issues I’ve found:
    1) Is it possible to turn off the transducer when just using the camera? The pinging gets annoying fast…
    2) what have Aeneas been doing to prevent the unit from falling out of the soft pack? I plan on adding a few sewn in zelcro straps to secure the case to the base.
    3) I’m also going to add some zelcro so the pocket in the back can be closed (to hold the camera fin)

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