LX7 on 3.17 issue with blinking target ID’s?

  • fisherman-andy
    Posts: 252
    #1304809

    Ok, I did not notice this at all on my LX6 v3.17 or maybe overlooked? But I got a couple of buddies who upgraded from v2.9 to v3.17 with the LX7 and their saying their target ID’s blink or blink quickly in and out?

    They reset to factory settings, tried all the range, adjust ping, adjust sensitivity from 6-15, fishing in 10 thru 90 fow and tried different lake and issue persist. Says it blinks on the vertical, & flasher dial. Have not tried different transducer but happening on two LX7 units.

    Has anyone notice this? I myself did not notice the blinking when I had the LX6 out yesterday and it was great for me.

    James Holst
    Keymaster
    SE Minnesota
    Posts: 18926
    #1130138

    Tell him to try it in 6 color mode (R-O-Y-G-B-I-V) and see if that clears it up.

    josh a
    Posts: 588
    #1130140

    sure are a lot of posts about marcum problems lately. I think i’ll be sticking with the vex for a while

    fisherman-andy
    Posts: 252
    #1130143

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    Tell him to try it in 6 color mode (R-O-Y-G-B-I-V) and see if that clears it up.


    James I had him tried the different colors just a moment ago and the issue persisted. Not sure what other settings they can try at the moment. Since im not at the lake with them I cant see exactly the issue as I didnt notice it with my LX6.

    It does seem to lessen on higher sensitivity but the blink ID for fish or lure still apparent. One of them is contemplating switching back to v2.9 which I didnt recommend cause were not sure if this will cause issue or brick the unit.

    Mudshark
    LaCrosse WI
    Posts: 2973
    #1130144

    Calling Marcum would be the best idea….

    travp
    Blaine , Mn
    Posts: 401
    #1104878

    Sounds like premature release to the public on Marcum’s part.

    James Holst
    Keymaster
    SE Minnesota
    Posts: 18926
    #1130176

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    Sounds like premature release to the public on Marcum’s part.


    Not sure on that. I fished my 9 late this past week and they performed brilliantly. Far superior to anything I’ve ever seen out of any other ice electronics and a nice leap in performance over what the units were doing pre-upgrade. Of course it is impossible to comment on what the OP is seeing… without seeing it firsthand. I will say this, the new software on the 9 is crazy good. I haven’t tried it in a wide range of scenarios yet but what I’ve seen so far gets two thumbs up.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1130177

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    Tell him to try it in 6 color mode (R-O-Y-G-B-I-V) and see if that clears it up.


    I haven’t seen roygbiv since I was in middle school.

    James Holst
    Keymaster
    SE Minnesota
    Posts: 18926
    #1130178

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    Tell him to try it in 6 color mode (R-O-Y-G-B-I-V) and see if that clears it up.


    I haven’t seen roygbiv since I was in middle school.


    I think Roy was the backup second baseman on our JV baseball team.

    travp
    Blaine , Mn
    Posts: 401
    #1130182

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    Sounds like premature release to the public on Marcum’s part.


    Not sure on that. I fished my 9 late this past week and they performed brilliantly. Far superior to anything I’ve ever seen out of any other ice electronics and a nice leap in performance over what the units were doing pre-upgrade. Of course it is impossible to comment on what the OP is seeing… without seeing it firsthand. I will say this, the new software on the 9 is crazy good. I haven’t tried it in a wide range of scenarios yet but what I’ve seen so far gets two thumbs up.


    I do not own an LX6 or 7. But, why the constant need for for updates? From what I’m reading most of the updates are to fix bugs etc, and to help the unit perform as expected out of the box.

    James Holst
    Keymaster
    SE Minnesota
    Posts: 18926
    #1130187

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    I do not own an LX6 or 7. But, why the constant need for for updates? From what I’m reading most of the updates are to fix bugs etc, and to help the unit perform as expected out of the box.


    This is the second significant update in two years. Basically one per season. As I think most would agree last year’s software 2.9 was very good. Nobody has to move to the newer software versions and many won’t if they’re completely happy with their current situation.

    I for one am never happy or fully satisfied. The guys at MarCum are the same way. There’s never been and never will be a perfect piece of ice electronics made by any company…. there’s always room for improvement.

    That’s why the testing cycle of new software will never end and why the digital units are the future in ice fishing electronics. Case in point, the day after the current software for the 9 was released testing of software for next release(s) next season went into high gear. There’s a lot of improvements, tweaks and additions to come. And the process of releasing them to MarCum digital platform owners will NEVER stop.

    Mudshark
    LaCrosse WI
    Posts: 2973
    #1130189

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    I do not own an LX6 or 7. But, why the constant need for for updates? To me it seems most of the updates are to fix bugs etc, and to help the unit perform as expected out of the box.



    “Constant” updates seems to be a little strong…Unless I’m mistaken the LX series,in the past has only had 3 updates…

    While at first this may seem excessive.. consider that if this was a mechanical unit you would have to send this unit back.
    The “bugs” are easy to fix at home…

    This a whole new deal…

    mojogunter
    Posts: 3297
    #1130192

    There are two different updates depending which existing software you have running. Did they possibly load the wrong update? I updated mine and it works fine. The only issue I have is the voltage shows 9.0 volts all the time, but it has always done that. Would be nice if that worked, but the sonar works better than I expected so I will address that after the ice season is over.

    mojogunter
    Posts: 3297
    #1130195

    Keep in mind that this is an advantage to be able to add features and improve the software. There are updates on other units like humminbird and lowrance. One example would be a few years ago when with an update humminbird added the feature of down imaging.

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    Sounds like premature release to the public on Marcum’s part.


    Not sure on that. I fished my 9 late this past week and they performed brilliantly. Far superior to anything I’ve ever seen out of any other ice electronics and a nice leap in performance over what the units were doing pre-upgrade. Of course it is impossible to comment on what the OP is seeing… without seeing it firsthand. I will say this, the new software on the 9 is crazy good. I haven’t tried it in a wide range of scenarios yet but what I’ve seen so far gets two thumbs up.


    I do not own an LX6 or 7. But, why the constant need for for updates? From what I’m reading most of the updates are to fix bugs etc, and to help the unit perform as expected out of the box.


    travp
    Blaine , Mn
    Posts: 401
    #1130201

    Maybe constant was a little strong, but 3 updates in a year is alot.

    Tim Bossert
    Cochrane, WI
    Posts: 429
    #1130205

    James, would love to see you highlight the new updates and technology more on the show. Maybe there are some things that Marcum would prefer not said (between you and Marcum), but as a sponsor and obvious fan of new technology (as am I), it would be nice to see more action of the LX-9 and it’s advantage over the lesser numbers. I myself, just cannot see the advantage of how Marcum markets the LX-9, but maybe you do?

    Anyway, just a thought. Nice work explaining things the way you do on the ice. It helps us less fortunate, weekend warriors.

    James Holst
    Keymaster
    SE Minnesota
    Posts: 18926
    #1130211

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    James, would love to see you highlight the new updates and technology more on the show. Maybe there are some things that Marcum would prefer not said (between you and Marcum), but as a sponsor and obvious fan of new technology (as am I), it would be nice to see more action of the LX-9 and it’s advantage over the lesser numbers. I myself, just cannot see the advantage of how Marcum markets the LX-9, but maybe you do?

    Anyway, just a thought. Nice work explaining things the way you do on the ice. It helps us less fortunate, weekend warriors.


    We likely won’t tie up too much time in the show getting too deep into the technology and features unless that info directly ties into the show but you can count on a lot of web video to be released that will cover many of the fine points of the LX9.

    fisherman-andy
    Posts: 252
    #1130216

    Ok, I was sent this video of the LX7 blinking ID’s just now. Tell me what ya think? The video shows the the flasher dial, you can see the crappies stacked on screen and the lure towards top in red. Click on link below to view:

    View My Video

    James Holst
    Keymaster
    SE Minnesota
    Posts: 18926
    #1130217

    Quote:


    Ok, I was sent this video of the LX7 blinking ID’s just now. Tell me what ya think? The video shows the the flasher dial, you can see the crappies stacked on screen and the lure towards top in red. Click on link below to view:

    View My Video


    Very hard to know based on the video. This is just guessing… Dying battery? Bad transducer? Too much sensitivity causing the unit to pick up interference?

    There’s just no way to accurately ID an issue like that without the units being in front of the person looking to diagnose the issue. Sorry.

    fisherman-andy
    Posts: 252
    #1130218

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    Very hard to know based on the video. This is just guessing… Dying battery? Bad transducer? Too much sensitivity causing the unit to pick up interference?

    There’s just no way to accurately ID an issue like that without the units being in front of the person looking to diagnose the issue. Sorry.


    Nothing wrong with battery. These units have been used all season long last year without issues. You can hear him say sensitivity currently set at 10 in this video. There is no interference here. Just crappies stacked in the water column and jig.

    Uploading another better video clip. It looks pretty evident here in this video:

    View My Video

    James Holst
    Keymaster
    SE Minnesota
    Posts: 18926
    #1130219

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    Very hard to know based on the video. This is just guessing… Dying battery? Bad transducer? Too much sensitivity causing the unit to pick up interference?

    There’s just no way to accurately ID an issue like that without the units being in front of the person looking to diagnose the issue. Sorry.


    Nothing wrong with battery. These units have been used all season long last year without issues.

    Uploading another clearer video. It looks pretty evident here in this video:

    View My Video


    Oh yeah, I can see the issue. No question about it, that isn’t right. But what’s the cause? That I can’t answer. Sorry.

    gillfisher
    God's country - Wisconsin
    Posts: 86
    #1130221

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    I for one am never happy or fully satisfied


    Sounds like someone I know!

    I agree the 2.9 was/is a very good software version

    fisherman-andy
    Posts: 252
    #1130223

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    Oh yeah, I can see the issue. No question about it, that isn’t right. But what’s the cause? That I can’t answer. Sorry.


    At this point I just recommended they take it into Marcum to have it looked at. Im wondering if something happen during the upgrade? Maybe retry to load the 3.17 firmware? I know with computers when the firmware doesnt properly upload it could brick or cause tons of issues. Sometimes using different electronic parts are part of the problem too for example different memory chip or rom of the same size.

    I gonna need to see this in person cause I did not see this with my LX6 on v3.17 at all. Im trying to see if other LX6 or 7 users have seen the same issue. Also one of the guys is now having issues with screen lock or color garble but that could just be a random glitch.

    gillfisher
    God's country - Wisconsin
    Posts: 86
    #1130224

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    Maybe constant was a little strong, but 3 updates in a year is alot.


    I am pretty sure I had that many for my open water Humminbird side image sonar unit, not really a big deal at all. Matter of fact I think most people look forward to the FREE updates/upgrades that is one of the reasons for purchasing these type of units, so you don’t have to keep buying the latest and greatest when an easy download gets it for you.

    James Holst
    Keymaster
    SE Minnesota
    Posts: 18926
    #1130225

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    I gonna need to see this in person cause I did not see this with my LX6 on v3.17 at all. Im trying to see if other LX6 or 7 users have seen the same issue. Also one of the guys is now having issues with screen lock or color garble but that could just be a random glitch.


    I’d take them both to MarCum for inspection. Something definitely did not go right with the update.

    fisherman-andy
    Posts: 252
    #1130239

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    I’d take them both to MarCum for inspection. Something definitely did not go right with the update.


    I am thinking same thing. Something either went wrong with the update or the wrong file was used to make the update.

    They are gonna retry to download the file and re-install the update to see if that works. Im having a feeling that those that are seeing issues after the update with LX7 installed the wrong file…

    zab.jr
    Winona, Mn
    Posts: 56
    #1130259

    One thing that I noticed with my Lx-7 going from the v3.01 to the new v3.17 is I have to turn my sensitivity up to 15 to where as on the v3.01 I only needed a sens. set at 4. I like that the dynamic depth is fix but as of right now not to happy with the new update. Is there any way to go back to v3.01?

    I might just have to take a short trip and visit Marcum on this, also mine to with the sens set at 15 It still has a hard tim picking up my jig as well, and if I turn my target adjust up to just 1 it throws everything off, any input on this? or is it just human error on my part?

    fisherman-andy
    Posts: 252
    #1130267

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    One thing that I noticed with my Lx-7 going from the v3.01 to the new v3.17 is I have to turn my sensitivity up to 15 to where as on the v3.01 I only needed a sens. set at 4. I like that the dynamic depth is fix but as of right now not to happy with the new update. Is there any way to go back to v3.01?

    I might just have to take a short trip and visit Marcum on this, also mine to with the sens set at 15 It still has a hard tim picking up my jig as well, and if I turn my target adjust up to just 1 it throws everything off, any input on this? or is it just human error on my part?


    Dont think Marcum is gonna allow a downgrade for firmware, generally not recommended even if you were able to do so.

    In part your sensitivity is suppose to be turned up higher between 6-9 is what im seeing for optimal settings for 3.17.

    James Holst
    Keymaster
    SE Minnesota
    Posts: 18926
    #1130270

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    One thing that I noticed with my Lx-7 going from the v3.01 to the new v3.17 is I have to turn my sensitivity up to 15 to where as on the v3.01 I only needed a sens. set at 4. I like that the dynamic depth is fix but as of right now not to happy with the new update. Is there any way to go back to v3.01?


    You can’t have the improvements in dynamic depth peformance without opening up the gain curve to finer level adjustments. I posted the info below on another post. You are intended to run a higher gain setting with 3.17 as the steps between settings are now much finer.

    “With the new updates the gain curves has been opened up making the sensitivity adjustments much finer. You will no longer run gain settings of 2, 3 or 4. Expect to run settings of 8 – 18 with much finer control over the strength of the returns due to the finer control.

    FYI – Your units ability to detect objects in the water column (overall sensitivity) has not been changed in any way.”

    I cannot fathom why anyone would want less control over their sensitivity settings. In previous versions where gain settings of 2,3 and 4 were all that were used you basically had “low, medium and high” settings for gain. Now you have fine incremental steps that allow you to fine tune the display of your lure or fish. This is a GOOD thing and MarCum will never go back to the old gain curve.

    Now, if you really want fine tune control, run the R-O-Y-G-B-I-V color palette. Talk about amazing control over detail. The ROYGBIV palette is 50% more sensitive than the typical 3 color palette. OF course this also means you’ll be able to lower your gain settings considerably. For me fishing a 5 MM tungsten in 30 feet of water my gain setting was at 14 – 15 in three color. It went to 8 or 9 in 6 color and my ability to fine tune was amazing.

    zab.jr
    Winona, Mn
    Posts: 56
    #1130278

    Alright thanks james for clearing that up for me. It just seemed strange to have my sens set so high, I guess I got so used to the 3 or 4 setting that like with anything new its tough to change to something new, and since I bought my Lx-7 this Xmas I absolutely love it.
    So I guess it was just human error on my part I guess I will take your pointers and try them out tmrw morning.

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