Upgrade Your Drag

  • Joel Nelson
    Moderator
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3137
    #1304126

    To backreel or to drag….that is the question!

    Back-reeling has become much more standard practice for open-water fishing, but it has its limitations on ice. First off, for bigger fish, in my opinion, you need to be fishing longer rods to absorb the wide swing of a big headshake. You’re directly atop of these fish, and back-reeling is tough if you can’t apply constant pressure to the fish via rod-blank. We’re also using smaller reels. Each turn of the reel handle gives the fish that much less line compared to open-water.

    The drag option, while more widely-used for bigger fish on ice is fraught with danger however! Too much grease and your reel will get “gummy” and non-responsive when a big fish takes a big run. Even when relatively dry, cold-weather does funky things to drags, worst of all, seizing them. More often, the spool simply takes a larger amount of effort to start spinning, than to maintain its spin. Which is of course when a fish surges, breaking you off neatly.

    In the past few years, fishing and filming, it seems like at least once or twice a year I meet my match. Sometimes, like last winter, more often. A fish that you either weren’t prepared to catch (i.e., pike on panfish gear), or a true giant of the species (Lake of the Woods Walleyes) makes a mockery of you as you tighten/loosen the drag, searching for the perfect mix of pressure without making the drag difficult to “start.”

    I’ll hold final judgement until after the season, but in speaking with some saltwater fishermen at a baitshop in Virginia, I think I’ve got something here. Out east, and all around the world where saltwater fisherman do battle with big fish, upgraded drags are the name of the game. They dissipate heat better, but more importantly, they create a better surface for the drag to slip. Necessary when you have to make the drag “white-finger-tight”.

    The best part….they’re cheap. The carbon fiber drags I bought online were about $30 shipped for 10 of them, plus grease. The next best part….they’re darn easy to install.

    So, when putting on line this year, I took the chance to do some simple maintenance and upgrade those drags.

    At first glance, they’re rather unimpressive. Small discs with some roughness to them.

    STEP 1 – Unscrew the drag tensioner all the way and pull off the spool.

    STEP 2 – Pull out the small square spring which keeps the metal drag plate in place.

    STEP 3 – Pull off the drag plate and look at the small piece of felt. Because felt is very absorbent, my theory is that drag grease/oil can infiltrate the felt, and basically create a vacuum of sorts when cold weather affects the viscosity. That small piece of felt is all that saves you from burning runs of big fish. Scary!

    STEP 4 – Lightly cover the carbon fiber disc with grease. The mfr. recommended Cal’s Universal Light variety. No, not Cal Svihel. Put drag disc inside.

    STEP 5 – Replace drag plate/washer and add spring. Install on reel and tighten down drag tensioner.

    The first thing you’ll notice on your drags is how god awfully tight you can crank down on these things and still maintain relatively easy/smooth drag operation. Silky smooth. Freezer tested a dozen times or more for hiccups, herky-jerky response, or freeze/failure. Best I can figure, this is major drag upgrade for most ice reels. Especially the ones that are known for drag issues with extremely cold weather.

    I upgraded the Shimano’s with Size #10301, which is the smallest carbon fiber drag for all Shimano reels. There’s lots of online retailers out there. Ebay, the web, etc. Feel free to ask any questions if this is for you, and good luck. Ice is out there, let’s fish it!

    Joel





    chubby
    Bloomington
    Posts: 244
    #1115372

    Great post Joel,

    I have guided in Alaska for many many years and when you are hooked up to a big (40 lb plus), Hot (chrome bright King salmon) fish you have to be able to count on your drag. I have never bought into the back reeling thing as it simply does not offer the level of control that a good drag will.

    Not gonna back reel, never have, never will. In my opinion if you have to back reel on a panfish in ice cold water even on 1 or 2 lb line then you then you just plain look silly.

    The cure for back reeling is to take a trip somewhere that you can catch a mess of strong fish weighing 2 to 3 times the test of your line. You will have to use and trust your drag and you will be forever cured of needing to back reel.

    So if your drag can’t be trusted then replace it, repair it, clean it, or upgrade it. It should and might just become your best friend!

    gillfisher
    God's country - Wisconsin
    Posts: 86
    #1115460

    Joel, you are eliminating the felt washer correct?

    Joel Nelson
    Moderator
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3137
    #1115493

    Absolutely, replacing the felt drag altogether. I know that with some baitcasting equipment with multiple discs you have the option of adding/subtracting. In this case, it’s just a straight substitution.

    Hoping some fish in ND peel drag so I can give you a better report. All indications are go with this project however at the moment!

    Joel

    gillfisher
    God's country - Wisconsin
    Posts: 86
    #1115522

    Thanks Joel, I’ll be looking into this mod.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1115589

    Good info Joel! Thanks for posting!

    Joel Nelson
    Moderator
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3137
    #1115853

    Day one report – Only had one fish seriously test the drag today, and it was a 6-8lb pike we never landed. Not because the line snapped, but because he eventually bit us off right below the ice.

    Immediately noticed a difference in regards to the heavier drag settings. Ultimately, the goal is to apply more pressure, more evenly, without breaking off, and I think these drag upgrades are achieving that end quite well. I’ve got a few reels I didn’t mess with along for the ride, so I’ll continue to test and report back from time to time. Big pike, big eyes, and anything else that’ll test the limits of your line are great applications for these upgrades.

    Joel

    onepine
    Elk River
    Posts: 136
    #1116637

    Nice thing about carbon fiber is if it gets a rough spot or the drag doesn’t seem to preform as good as new you can take it out remove all the grease and lightly sand with high grit paper and it’s as good as new. We use these as brakes for our pool umbrellas at work and the work great and get abused in high winds so we just re sand them every year and there good as new.

    wetsleeves
    Iowa
    Posts: 133
    #1118515

    Joel as I am sure you have been on ice, I am anxious to hear some more about how you are liking the carbon washers. Any good drag peeling hookups lately that put the new washers to the test??

    Also is that Sahara a 500 size that you put the 10301 washer in?

    Joel Nelson
    Moderator
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3137
    #1118532

    Quote:


    Joel as I am sure you have been on ice, I am anxious to hear some more about how you are liking the carbon washers. Any good drag peeling hookups lately that put the new washers to the test??

    Also is that Sahara a 500 size that you put the 10301 washer in?


    Yes on both accounts.

    I had a 10lb class pike on for a few minutes when we fished Devils two weeks ago, and had a few walleyes take a bit of drag as well. The pike gave me about 3 fly-bys before biting me off, but peeled off plenty of drag on several good runs to give me some background with it. From that little bit, my impressions are that the carbon fiber washers expand the sensitivity of your settings. Let’s say for example, your standard drag has 100 settings from too tight to too loose. By allowing you to crank down harder on the thing, without suffering ill-effects, it feels like you picked up a couple dozen extra settings and now have a 0-250 scale.

    James landed a decent pike when we were out there with a standard felt drag, which reminded me the quality of the Sedona 500’s and their drag systems to begin with. Where I’m looking to do more testing is on the cheaper end, like Sienna 500’s. The Sienna’s are a cheaper reel, and great for most panfishing applications, but I’ve had some cold-weather issues with the drags on these reels for ‘eyes. Being able to fish these reels in more extreme settings for larger fish is a nice feature. For those reels that are smooth and decent operators with a poor drag, I think the sky’s the limit with this upgrade.

    Will report back with more as I hit more hard-water!

    Joel

    wetsleeves
    Iowa
    Posts: 133
    #1118545

    Great to hear Joel. I have 4 on the way for 1 sienna, 2 sedonas, and a sahara as well as 1 oz of cals cold climate grease. Anxious to upgrade

    Joel Nelson
    Moderator
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3137
    #1120391

    Really put the drag to the test the past few days. Many “non-target species” were handled, mostly largemouth and smallmouth bass, on inferior line, with a Sienna, to make me very happy with these drags. I’ll be changing up the line to something more stout, but either way, break-offs happened only once on a fish, and several times from snow/ice and pulling line off the reel.

    Joel

    wetsleeves
    Iowa
    Posts: 133
    #1120410

    Great to hear Joel glad you are happy with them. Just checked the tracking on mine and they will be here this afternoon.

    How much grease are you putting on them? Just a light coating or pretty thick?

    Joel Nelson
    Moderator
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3137
    #1120901

    I did some web-sleuthing on saltwater sites and a great rule of thumb shared there was to put just enough grease on to make a fingerprint. Makes sense once you get the stuff all over your hands.

    Less is more in this situation I’m guessing….esp. with the colder temps us ice-fishermen are out in.

    Joel

    slipperybob
    Lil'Can, MN
    Posts: 1418
    #1122735

    If one really wants to super tune their drags. Take a good look at your metal washers too. Since sometimes the washers are not all that perfectly flat. You can check that out very easily by using a marker and coloring the sides. Then just slide the wash on a flat surface with some fine fine sandpaper and see which marker colored spots are not rubbed off. Now it’s up to you to really pursue how flat and smooth you wand your washer. Since drag is all about surface resistance.

    ekruger01
    Posts: 594
    #1125220

    any more updates Joel? I have some washers and cals ordered for my siennas, cant wait to get them swapped out.

    Joel Nelson
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    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3137
    #1126098

    Fished the Siennas in extremely cold temps this weekend, and the drags definitely stuck less. However, I think I need to take mine apart and hot-sauce ’em…..too much grease makes for tough reeling in temps like we had the past few days.

    I did make the mistake of over-greasing one of my reels with the Cal’s light grease. Stayed even, but was gummy. I know you can run those discs dry, has anyone tried that? If not, I’m about to!

    Joel

    DAN J
    Posts: 127
    #1126105

    Used the Hot Sauce grease on mine,worked great.

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    MN - 55082
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    #1384103

    Quote:


    has anyone tried that? If not, I’m about to!


    I just got done punching drag disc’s for the last of my president’s spools. I put 3 dry and 5 lubed, marked the dry with sharpies to run a test. I wound up buying sheets of carbontex from a guy in Australia. Super cheap, almost worth the price of the punch and die set.

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    #1384104

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    DO NOT ORDER FROM CASTAWAY LAKES.. i placed my order on


    Sorry for the hassle, if you need any washers PM me, I’ll ship them off asap.

    Icefreak55
    Posts: 38
    #1384116

    What I find amusing is all the replacements are for the big $$ reels ….

    I need to find replacements for my Accucasts

    castle-rock-clown
    Posts: 2596
    #1384129

    What the heck is this? I thought it was going to be about wigs and makeup. Here I got my high heels out for nothin’

    Joel Nelson
    Moderator
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3137
    #1384166

    Quote:


    Quote:


    has anyone tried that? If not, I’m about to!


    I just got done punching drag disc’s for the last of my president’s spools. I put 3 dry and 5 lubed, marked the dry with sharpies to run a test. I wound up buying sheets of carbontex from a guy in Australia. Super cheap, almost worth the price of the punch and die set.


    Super cool to see you do this on your own. Can replace drags for a whole fleet of reels!

    Joel

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    #1384171

    Quote:


    Super cool to see you do this on your own. Can replace drags for a whole fleet of reels!

    Joel




    Yeah, I’m moving onto my open water stuff this weekend in my spare time; got a nice little weekend planned, Maybe Bed, Bath, & Beyond, I don’t know, I don’t know if we’ll have enough time.

    I got the punch set to see if I could make a decent carbon drag system for the Eagle Claw or 13fishing inlines, still a work in progress on those. I think they might be hopeless.

    Joel Nelson
    Moderator
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3137
    #1384178

    Quote:


    Quote:


    Super cool to see you do this on your own. Can replace drags for a whole fleet of reels!

    Joel



    Yeah, I’m moving onto my open water stuff this weekend in my spare time; got a nice little weekend planned, Maybe Bed, Bath, & Beyond, I don’t know, I don’t know if we’ll have enough time.

    I got the punch set to see if I could make a decent carbon drag system for the Eagle Claw or 13fishing inlines, still a work in progress on those. I think they might be hopeless.


    The plastic peg that rubs up against the inside of the spool isn’t enough of a drag?

    Joel

    ekruger01
    Posts: 594
    #1384227

    Quote:


    Quote:


    has anyone tried that? If not, I’m about to!


    I just got done punching drag disc’s for the last of my president’s spools. I put 3 dry and 5 lubed, marked the dry with sharpies to run a test. I wound up buying sheets of carbontex from a guy in Australia. Super cheap, almost worth the price of the punch and die set.


    Awesome Idea! Bringing this thread back reminded me I need to order more of the discs for my new reels!

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