Ice Out predictions – Mille Lacs and Lake Minnetonka

  • buckybadger
    Upper Midwest
    Posts: 9261
    #2252141

    So the Average ice out date for Lake Minnetonka is April 13th – The earliest was March 11th in 1878
    The Average for Mille lacs is April 25th and the earliest is March 26th in 2012

    What are all your predictions for this years ice out date for each ?
    What is the chance that both records will be broken for the earliest ever?

    Its been a crazy winter. Minnetonka’s forecast for the next 36 days are all 50+, Then a week of Mid 30’s, followed by 5 Days in the upper 20’s for highs. That takes us all the way to the 19th. My guess is the Record will fall for lake Minnetonka.
    I think Mille will be close to the record as well.

    What say all of you ?

    What weather app/program are you using? I rarely can find something reliable beyond the 10 day model runs that constantly change…much less over 40 days in advance

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12829
    #2252142

    What weather app/program are you using? I rarely can find something reliable beyond the 10 day model runs that constantly change…much less over 40 days in advance

    Sorry. I corrected that. Next 3 days

    gim
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 19222
    #2252143

    Ya I wouldn’t trust anything beyond the 10-14 forecast, and even that should be taken with a grain of salt.

    Looks warm for a few days and then rain. Followed by more “seasonable” temps but still above average temps.

    I think Minnetonka will be in rough shape after the warmth and rain, but it could easily “re-freeze” should a cold snap ensue in late Feb or early March. I will say March 2 it is gone for good this spring.

    Mille Lacs, I will predict 2 weeks later. March 16.

    Jimmy Jones
    Posts: 3401
    #2252157

    Ya
    I think Minnetonka will be in rough shape after the warmth and rain, but it could easily “re-freeze” should a cold snap ensue in late Feb or early March. I will say March 2 it is gone for good this spring.

    Mille Lacs, I will predict 2 weeks later. March 16.

    The sun needs to be higher in the sky do much to the ice. Rain will bust ice up especially with some thunder. It’s pretty early in Feb yet and this month can be a real dick when it comes to winter weather so I’m getting too excited about open water just yet, but I am headed to Two Harbors tomorrow and will be on the breakwater casting by mid-afternoon.

    buckybadger
    Upper Midwest
    Posts: 9261
    #2252169

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>buckybadger wrote:</div>
    What weather app/program are you using? I rarely can find something reliable beyond the 10 day model runs that constantly change…much less over 40 days in advance

    Sorry. I corrected that. Next 3 days

    Just messing with you!

    I’ll say Minnetonka beats the record by 1 day and is gone March 10th.

    I think Mille Lacs misses the record by 5 days and has ice out March 31st

    crappie55369
    Mound, MN
    Posts: 5757
    #2252172

    What affect does thunder have on ice?

    Jimmy Jones
    Posts: 3401
    #2252178

    It can fracture the ice….the concussion.

    BrianF
    Posts: 840
    #2255872

    Looking at the extended forecast, will the March 11th ice-out date for Minnetonka get broken?

    Deuces
    Posts: 5339
    #2255878

    It will be a bountiful year for posts biatching about netting.

    Charles
    Posts: 2133
    #2255890

    A ton of the lakes in north are looking stupid dark lol.

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12829
    #2255918

    Looking at the extended forecast, will the March 11th ice-out date for Minnetonka get broken?

    My guess is yes. Once it starts it will happen FAST. No snow cover to have to melt and far less ice than normal

    glenn57
    cold spring mn/ itasca cty
    Posts: 13239
    #2255945

    A ton of the lakes in north are looking stupid dark lol.

    that must of changed fast doah I wax up in Itasca County 7-10 days ago and the ice looked good then yet.

    I’ll agree there wasn’t as much ice as usual but still good clear ice

    tim hurley
    Posts: 6049
    #2256262

    Fast only happens with warm rain and strong wind after things open a bit. I would love a March 10 ice out.

    Wndrdr
    Posts: 21
    #2258452

    Anyone been over to see? It has to be close.

    gim
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 19222
    #2258464

    Anyone been over to see? It has to be close.

    I received a text message from a friend who drove around a sizable portion of Minnetonka yesterday and he sent me some photos too. Many of the bays and channels were ice free, but he still saw some ice out there on a couple bigger bays.

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12829
    #2258476

    I think its going to be close to the record. A month or so ago I thought there would be lots of records set. It seems like we got just enough cold fronts at key times to delay it loner than expected in many area’s. Its crazy how different lakes can be in the same general area. There are lakes around my area that are nearly ice free and a few miles away there are lakes they are still ice fishing. Clearwater lake I’m told is probably 50-75% ice free. While on a lake near the horseshoe chain there was still people ice fishing last sunday. Same up in the Battle lake area. Some lakes are nearly ice free and other are still locked tight to shore. Crazy year for sure.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 25229
    #2258477

    Buddy was just on Reno over the weekend and said there was only 5 inches and the ice was terrible. He put his gear away after that.

    glenn57
    cold spring mn/ itasca cty
    Posts: 13239
    #2258649

    i just came back from the drive around the chain……10X more open water then sunday…..and i’m going out on a limb..the ice thats left aint safe…. even if you could get on it!

    Deuces
    Posts: 5339
    #2258663

    Maxwell and north arm were ice free.

    Crystal and the main was still iced over good, lil breaking up in browns.

    Every small lake i drove by in Osseo Medina mntka area was ice free.

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12829
    #2258667

    I have probably my last ice fishing outing planned for this Sat. A buddy was at the lake on Monday and said the ice is still tight to the shore and there is still 11-12″ of ice where we plan to fish. The forecast for the rest of this week is rather cool in the area. After this weekend I see a string of 4-5 days with the temps in the Mid 50’s for the area so I doubt the ice will last till the following week.

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12829
    #2260977

    Well Minnetonka missed the record by 2 days. A month ago I thought there was NO chance it would not be a new record. Mother Nature hit the brakes a few times along the way.

    deertracker
    Posts: 9341
    #2260995

    Going to be windy this weekend. Lots of lakes in the Alexandria area are ice free and with the wind this weekend, most should be finished.
    DT

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 23083
    #2261004

    Mille is open on the north end about 400 yards out… that wind later today should have it shore piling pretty good on the East side.

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12829
    #2261033

    Mille is open on the north end about 400 yards out… that wind later today should have it shore piling pretty good on the East side.

    Still plenty of time for that March 26th ice out record on Mille Lacs.

    gim
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 19222
    #2261149

    They declared ice out on Tonka on March 13. The record was March 11.

    Alex Fox
    Posts: 462
    #2261757

    Looking on satellite it looks like Mille Lacs is open. Tough to tell in the SE due to clouds, but might be some ice left in Isle Bay.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 23083
    #2261771

    Yeah, I would agree. Pretty sure you could get from Garrison to Isle in a boat today.

    Full draw
    Posts: 1742
    #2261780

    You would think they would call it today looking at this image.

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    Full draw
    Posts: 1742
    #2262373

    New record for Mille Lacs on earliest ice out. Mar 16th.

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    Jon Jordan
    Keymaster
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 6182
    #2262382

    From the Mille Lacs Messenger.

    New Mille Lacs Ice out record declared March 16!

    by Erik Jacobson

    [email protected]

    The early ice out really came as no surprise, with the lack of ice thickness this year, and the continued warm weather, all indicators were pointing at an early ice off. And for all intents and purposes, it’s about right to break that record too – with all the other records that were broken this winter. But by 10 days is quite a feat, and sets the bar high for the earliest ice out record.

    The previous record was March 26, which was set in 2012. That year had a weird winter preceding it as well, when a hole opened up in the northwest corner and stayed open until mid-January. This year, as of Friday, March 15, the lake was showing lots of open water around the edges as the dark honeycombed ice eased away from the western shorelines with a south/ southwest wind blowing.

    By Saturday, the wind switched to the northwest and blew at 15-25 mph, with higher gusts and that is all it took to break up the already rotten ice and pile it up on the east and southeast shorelines.

    Long time Messenger ice out contributor, and Mille Lacs guru Steve Fellegy had this to say about the event: “With less than a third of the normal ice thickness, it is not surprising that the big wind took the ice off the big lake in short order. It is exactly 2 full months ahead of the latest ice out that occurred in 2013, on May 16. And this year is 10 days ahead of the previous record of March 26, 2012. All thanks to a strong El Nino. Amazing, to say the least.”

    And with that is the beginning of a long open water season for Mille Lacs Lake. The ice out record was a full seven weeks sooner that last year’s ice out on May 5. According to the DNR, the average ice out on the lake is April 25.

    How did we get here? Let’s face it, it was a weird winter – it felt like spring a month ago. Pretty sure that is the way most Minnesotans summed up the winter – or non-winter of 2023-24. For starters, there were probably more records broken this winter than any others in the past. Not only for temperatures – highs and well above average low temperatures, but also for lack of snowfall and overall snowfall for the winter, and on the other side there were some record rainfalls in areas of the state as well, that if it would have been snow, would have likely been several feet of the white stuff – like usual.

    Warmest December on record December 2023 went down in the record books as the warmest on record in over 175 years of record keeping. That month’s heat even topped the winter of 1877, dubbed “The non-winter” which had defended its title for over 145 years. And the lake reflected it, there were pictures on social media of anglers fishing on Mille Lacs Lake in boats as late as December 29, and that is absolutely unheard of around here for that time of year.

    With the record warmth of this winter, the ice never got as thick as it would on an average winter. Some resorts and access points on the main lake said the ice reached a maximum thickness of 16-18 inches – and much less in other areas of the main lake. That is essentially about half of what the ice thickness would normally be by the end of the season. So that alone was a great indicator that it was going to be an early ice out. It should also be noted that the bays – especially on the south end, had much more ice than that, due to the head start of freezing over Thanksgiving.

    Record late ice in According to the DNR, the big lake didn’t freeze until January 4 this year. That blows the old record of December 22, 2015, out of the water (that date is according to my personal records, the DNR did not have a date in their ice in records for Mille Lacs for that year). But they noted 2001 as the record ice in on that same date.

    Now that record was for the entire lake. As stated, the bays had frozen considerably earlier. But the main lake was another story. After many false starts – including one as early as December 1, it was looking like it was frozen after a calm frigid night, but then the wind began to blow that afternoon and reopened a big portion of the lake. There were other days that looked like it had frozen as well, but it was just the wind blowing the big sheet around to different sides of the lake.

    Determining ice out The DNR considers

    “ice-out” when a lake is 90% free of ice. On Mille Lacs – the second largest lake in the state at 132,516 acres, that could still leave 13,252 acres of iced in water – and still be considered ice out. To put things in proportion, that area alone would be the 11th largest lake in the state.

    But the local guideline for decades to declare ice out on the big lake has always been when a boat can make it from Garrison to Isle without encountering a major ice floe. Nowadays satellite imagery is also available to declare ice out – as long as there are no clouds to inhibit the view. If that’s the case, it’s back to the old ways of binoculars and telescopes from different vantage points on the lake. Social media has also become another good way to get that information.

    Currently, Wahkon Bay is still completely iced in and there is a lot of remnant ice from there east and up the east side of the lake due to the big northwest winds that blew over the weekend. And with this cold long term forecast, it sounds like it might be there for a while.

    Last year’s ice out The ice finally came off Friday, May 5, last year. The lake began to break up with a big north/northwest wind that blew over the weekend of April 29, but then subsided by mid-week and the lake stalled. But May 4 brought warm temperatures, and with that the sheet seemed to show some signs of breaking up with lots of fractures in the satellite image from that day.

    A nice east wind was blowing that afternoon and the satellite image clearly showed the massive amount of open water observed around the lake. The ice that was on the May 4 image was all but gone, it had dissipated overnight and throughout the day on May 5. Although the southwest corner was still clogged with some ice, the main lake was wide open. In 2022, ice out was May 2.

    Ice out annually marks the start of another open water season on the big lake in this beautiful part of the state. Anticipation is high for the trees to start budding and the grass to turn green again signaling the start of what we’ve all been waiting for – another wonderful Minnesota summer.

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