ICE CATS

  • skunkboy
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 172
    #1580984

    Thought I would start a new topic in the catfish forum…ICE CATS.

    I had resonable sucess last year and plan to expand my experience this year as well. I want to experiment with baits, presentations, locations, etc. I plan to start as soon as I get good ice around here. I was able to locate some channel cats late last fall (November) in some deep water in a small backwater area of the river and I am pretty sure they will stay there. Water is deeper in that backwater than the river and bait fish stay there year round. It’s a good place to experiment with different depth as it runs from 20FOW to 3FOW. I hope to get some good info with my experimentation.

    So, anyone else ice fish for cats…on purpose? I know we’ve all caught the occassional cat through the ice, but does anyone actually target them with sucess? Let’s hear about your methods and we’ll compare notes. Maybe this could be the next ‘hot’ fishery in the ice fishing world.

    L8R…Ken

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    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1581014

    Do people really fish for anything else in the winter?

    I would love to fish Lake Pepin in the winter but I don’t do unfamiliar ice (more so on the river) alone.

    Channels suspend more then people think. If I recall this video was taken about 5 feet above bottom. No ice on upper pool 4 but the temp of the water was cold.

    Jakob
    Keymaster
    Rogers
    Posts: 1282
    #1581033

    We do some ice cats!

    Fatheads squished up on a circle hook and bobber right off the bottom.

    We have also caught them actively jigging in less than 10 feet of water – that’s the big one pictured below.

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    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13473
    #1581038

    We have a few lakes here in WI that do very well for winter channels. shiner pinched off and dead sticked usually produces well when they go on the chew

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1582448

    You might want to search through the horseshoe chain section for tips.

    Dusty Gesinger
    Minnetrista, Minnesota
    Posts: 2417
    #1582498

    We use to target cats on the horseshoe chain with basically walleye tactics, set line and jigging.

    skunkboy
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 172
    #1583123

    I had good luck last year both jigging and dead sticking through the ice. Basic rig was a 3/8 weight above a swivel, above a 6″ leader baited with cut suckers and bluegill pieces (leftover from ice fish). Didn’t seem to matter about fresh or frozen. I was using a 1/0 Octopus Circle but some of my friends were still using 5/0 Circle hooks with sucess. Some of the guys were set up using Automatic Fishermen too. Those worked very well except I think we missed some with the Circle hooks…pulled the hook out of thier mouth too fast. I had the most fun jigging. Pretty neat to see the whole screen on my Vex light up red and then that little ‘tink’ on my ice rod. Pretty gratifying to feel all that weight when you set the hook…a lot different than a 6″ gill.

    I have some new rods this year. I cut down a couple MH bass rods so I could use my casting reels. They ended up being 41″ long but I think they’ll work well on those bigger cats. Those short rods (23″) just seemed to quite working like a rod is supposed to work with those heavy weight cats. I’ve also made a couple Automatic Fishermen for these rods. Can’t wait for ice so I can try them out. Still in the 40’s-50’s around here. Going to try the river this week in the boat.

    Good luck everybody, I hope we get some ice soon.

    L8R…Ken

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1583355

    Sigh… another no no in MN.

    Automatic Fishermen

    skunkboy
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 172
    #1583471

    Sigh… another no no in MN.

    Automatic Fishermen

    Can you use Tip-Ups? I suppose you can only use 1 rod too. Sure wish Iowa had 1000 lakes with our laws…you guys would be coming down here to fish. Oh well…good luck.

    L8R…Ken

    PS…I did mean 1000 too.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1583661

    We can use tip ups but nothing that sets the hook.
    We can also use two hooks through the ice. (I don’t try to figure somethings out). ‘Course Wi/Mn boarder waters allows 2 or 3 hooks depending on which side of the river we’re fishing.

    I guess I have a hard time arguing with the DNR. If we didn’t have (fairly) strict regs we would all be going to Canada to fish. toast

    skunkboy
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 172
    #1583807

    Went out last night…in the boat. It was like ice fishing without ice. Cruised around until we marked fish on the bottom and suspended, set the anchor Lock and dropped our baits over the side. Vertical style. I took my customized Ice Cat rods that I put together…43″ long with Kalex61 reels. Used cut shad…very small pieces. We had 1/0 hooks and 3/8- 5/8 weights.

    Tried 5-6 spots, caught fish at every stop. Biggest was around 5 pounds…not too big but on that Ice Cat rod, it was a blast. Ended up with 6 in the boat (all released of course). Had a few other bites but were short bites. I was not using circle hook but my partner was and he missed more ‘bites’ that I did.

    I even tried one of my home made Automatic Fishermen out of the back of the boat…and it worked. It was dark and we heard a ‘twang’ from that rod, turned on our light and low and behold, the rod was bouncing. That just happened to be the biggest fish of the night.

    I was very satisfied with our evening. All of our equipment worked as planned and we caught cat fish on December 10th…how many north of the Mason Dixson line can say that. I can’t wiat for ice now.

    L8R…Ken

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1583813

    Sounds like a blast Ken.

    Now that things are settling down for me, (and now the holiday’s are here.)
    I might be able to squeak out an evening for two on the water…if the weather holds.

    I’m looking forward to a token walleye/sauger trip soon as well.

    skunkboy
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 172
    #1583821

    I used to make quite a few trips to the Miss for fall/winter ‘eyes and Sauger but I haven’t done that for a few years. MIght have to reconsider with this warm trend we are having. Good luck Brian…keep your lines tight.

    L8R…Ken

    Jerry Hochhausen
    Madison, Wisconsin
    Posts: 275
    #1585010

    I’m looking forward to doing some Ice Cat Fishing this winter also. I couldn’t believe what I heard on a local talk show here in Madison this morning. They were saying some supposed expert just made a report on Lake Mendota saying that we may not get safe ice on the lake this winter. I think he’s being a little rash. It’s only December 15th. there have been many times when there’s no snow at Christmas and the lakes still freeze over. Time will tell but I try to take it as it comes and not make these kind of rash predictions.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1585420

    Doesn’t madison have a hard time being safe on a normal year because of currents? I remember Brian and I were supposed to go one winter, but we were told by our guide Kev the ice wasn’t safe?

    I dunno, maybe I dreamt it.

    chamberschamps
    Mazomanie, WI
    Posts: 1089
    #1585450

    Doesn’t madison have a hard time being safe on a normal year because of currents? I remember Brian and I were supposed to go one winter, but we were told by our guide Kev the ice wasn’t safe?

    I dunno, maybe I dreamt it.

    Mendota is just a big deep lake and it takes some decent cold and no wind to freeze over. There is a small river that flows through it, but the winter WiskerKev was trying to do the ice-cat trip was also an unusually warm one. On a “normal” year it would be iced up by late December and guys would be running all over it with wheelers. Not inherently unsafe, just one of the last area lakes to ice up.

    chomps
    Sioux City IA
    Posts: 3974
    #1585454

    man those 6-8 lber’s can sure give you a nice fight. They start out feeling like a white bass and they freight train your lure, sometimes it’s that subtle tick, but they fight all they way up. Had my fair share of accidental cats on Lake Oahe, as I said, they can sure brighten up a mid afternoon lull. Usually using some sort of spoon with a minnow head.

    skunkboy
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 172
    #1585457

    What chamberchamps say is what I have heard as well about Mendota. Just so deep that it takes a lot of cold weather to freeze it up. One of the last lakes to freeze over.

    I really liked jigging last years cats through the ice. You’d watch the screen on your vex get all read, then that subtle little tick and you’re on. And yes, they do fight all the way up. It can be quite a chore to get that head up in the ice hole too, especially when the ice is over 12″ thick.

    Come on Ice…I’m getting impatiant.

    L8R…Ken

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1588611

    Anyone been out yet? I’m thinking of heading out tomorrow to Horeshoe.

    skunkboy
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 172
    #1589927

    Just getting enough ice to start seriously thinking about trying it. Might have enough by this weekend to try. I’ll keep you all posted.

    L8R…Ken

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1590228

    I never made it out but have been reading reports of slow fishing on Horseshoe. I’m stuck between cats or sturgeon on the St Croix. I’ll report when I actually get out.

    skunkboy
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 172
    #1593204

    The quest for Ice Cats has begun. Went out yesterday, since there is finally enough ice to walk on (took a long time but it grew fast…found 8″ yesterday). I had some luck too. I only managed three but I call that a win. These weren’t accidental. Fished a backwater area on the Cedar River, I knew there were cats in there because I caught some in November. Water was 17′ deep. I was using cut shad for bait and from 1″ to 1′ off the bottom. Jigged one and caught two dead sticking with my Auto Hooker rigs. Here’s spme Pic’s:

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    Jerry Hochhausen
    Madison, Wisconsin
    Posts: 275
    #1594428

    Good job Ken, Looking forward to our first time out on Lake Mendota. Should be pretty soon now.

    skunkboy
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 172
    #1595334

    Hit Mendota yesterday. 10-12″ of good clear ice. Got a couple hundred yards off shore and you could still see the bottom through the ice. Kinda spooky but it was good ice. Saw a lot of 4 wheelers and a snowmobile.

    Started out pretty good…15 pounder on the ice not 10 minutes in but it slowed down after that. 5 of us ended up with 8 for the day. We actually got to see on on camera take a bait. Pretty cool. One of my partners had a pole pulled through the ice hole…he was bummed for quite a while. Then at the end of the day, put the camera down the hole and there it was, just laying on the bottom. A few more precise holes and he snagged his rod…the catch of the day.

    Had a grat lunch about a mile out on the ice…brats cooked on my portable gas grill…man I like that thing…works great in the boat too.

    All the cats we caught were 12-15 pounds. The males were really skinny but the femakes looked like they were fat with eggs and heathy.

    I’ll put some pic’s up later. Gonna have to go again soon. If you’ve ever had the inclination to try Mendota through the ice, right now would be a good time to go. Good ice and they are bitting…albeit slow.

    L8R…Ken

    Oh year, fresh cut blue gills and fat heads were the bait that was working. Fresh out performed the frozen.

    slipperybob
    Lil'Can, MN
    Posts: 1414
    #1599778

    Came back from horseshoe,

    Caught one

    Lost quite a few, when they got unhooked. Very light biters and appears to prefer inspecting the area above the lure. They were actually checking for a line tied to it. Sneaky fellers. Is this the result of learned behavior?

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    skunkboy
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 172
    #1603031

    Well, the Ice Cats venture for early 2016 is over. I had some success every time I went out this year for Ice Cats. Our best day was in the middle of February, we managed to put about 30 on the ice. It was at a local spot here in Cedar Rapids with a couple friends. Cold and windy that day, glad I bought an Eskimo insulated tent to sit in to get out of the wind and warm up.

    Some of the things I learned this season. Our best presentation was dead sticking on or near the bottom. But we were successful with bait suspended up to 2 feet off the bottom as well as jigging for them. Jigging was by far the most fun…watching the Vex screen turn completely red around your bait, then a tap and it was on.

    Not many nibblers. Seemed like if they were biting, they wanted it. Sometimes they would really slam it and others they would pick up the bait and run sideways…you could see the line moving sideways in the hole. If I ever had a bite but no hook up, I could drop the bait back down and jig the bait and the fish would return to bite again…at least I’m assuming it was the same fish.

    We’d open a number of holes, drop our Vex in and if we marked any fish at all, we’d drop a line down. If we marked suspended bait, we’d drop our lines in. Sometimes in those situations, we’d get bit right away, sometimes not. But generally, if we marked fish, we’d hook up eventually.

    As far as structure, the cats didn’t seem to care much about it. Although we did catch most of our biggest in the deeper water with a flat bottom. We did catch a lot where the bottom had a rise going from deep to shallow. Didn’t really have much luck in the shallows but more like the breaks. Brush sure didn’t seem to matter at all.

    Bait was important. We started with fresh cut gills, and fathead minnows. We tried some frozen shad leftover from last fall that worked well too. Finally had out best luck with frozen shad guts. That proved to be out best producer. But all of the baits we used worked very well. One thing in common with all these baits were size…it seemed the smaller pieces worked better, or at least we got more hook ups with smaller baits.

    We fished a couple local spots here and made a couple trips to Mendota. Did extremely well locally and well on Mendota. We only used cut gills and fatheads at Mendota, never tried shad guts. It did seem that fresher was better there though. Bloody baits were best. A medium sized bait worked well on Mendota but that may have been because the Ice Cats on Mendota were so much bigger. We got a couple over 20 pounds through the ice and I’d guess an average was around 12 pounds. Here in my local waters, 8 pounds was about the biggest with a lot in the 3-4 pound range…great eaters.

    All in all, it was a very successful Ice Cats season. I learned a lot, caught a lot and had a lot of fun trying and experimenting. The ice is off the river here now so it’s time for Ice Out Cats. Gotta go catch some fresh shad and chubs for cut bait and hit the river.

    Good luck to everyone and maybe you can get a few tips from this to use next year for Ice Cats in your area.

    L8R…Ken

    skunkboy
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 172
    #1603034

    Came back from horseshoe,

    Caught one

    Lost quite a few, when they got unhooked. Very light biters and appears to prefer inspecting the area above the lure. They were actually checking for a line tied to it. Sneaky fellers. Is this the result of learned behavior?

    Looking for attached line…wow, that’s a new one on me. Maybe the line had some scent on it and they were checking that. I don’t think they were looking for you line as a defensive move though…they ain’t that smart. They can be pretty finicky biters at time though, that is for sure. Sounds like you did have some success. We found that you had to move around quite a bit. Those cats are nomadic and travel in schools. It can be hot and heavy when the school moved through, but if they ain’t there, it’s a ghost town.

    L8R…Ken

    slipperybob
    Lil'Can, MN
    Posts: 1414
    #1603593

    It’s very strange behavior. Rarely do I ever see a fish, swim to above the bait target. Bump the lure or line and swim away, avoiding/ignoring the lure altogether.

    I went to a slightly different spot still near. Had better successes. These were more aggressive biters. In fact some were hitting the spoon only. The hook never made it into their mouths. I pulled up a few, these guys still clamped down on the spoon. Had to pry their mouths open just to pull the spoon out.

    Later on, had some that engulfed the lure.

    skunkboy
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 172
    #1604926

    Seems like they can clamp down on something harder in cold water than in warm water. I think they may not be able to open their mouth as wide in cold water as well, thus the smaller baits seem to work better.

    Sounds like you had some fun this winter though. I know I am looking forward to next year already, but the Ice Put Cats are calling right now. Time to answer that call.

    L8R…Ken

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