Another black eye for hunting…

  • bigpike
    Posts: 6259
    November 17, 2008 at 4:34 pm #722771

    Here I am with buddy Steve…

    neusch303
    Posts: 539
    October 30, 2013 at 8:20 pm #133414

    Yeah, we were talking about this on another forum. Sad thing but I cannot help but lay a lot of the blame on the owners. Had they not let the dog run……………………….this could have been avoided.

    buckshot
    Rochester, MN
    Posts: 1654
    October 30, 2013 at 8:26 pm #133415

    Like typical news stories….tell one side of the story before having all the facts.

    If someone shot it to be a jerk, that’s really crappy no two ways around it.

    BUT….they let the dog out to run and it wasn’t on their property so who knows what it was doing. Maybe it was chasing deer or wouldn’t let the guy come down out of his tree or it approached him growling and snarling.

    Be interesting to see if more comes out about this.

    johnee
    Posts: 731
    October 30, 2013 at 9:03 pm #133419

    The story is very deceptive and poorly written. It should be stated that there was no cause of death determined as yet.

    The article is leaving readers to assume that a hunter killed the dog because it was found under a tree stand. Huh? Who whould shoot a dog and then leave it lay under their own tree stand?

    The whole situation sounds strange to me.

    Grouse

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    October 30, 2013 at 11:43 pm #133424

    How about they prosecute the owners for hunter harassment & trespassing?

    flatlandfowler
    SC/SW MN
    Posts: 1081
    October 31, 2013 at 12:02 am #133425

    As others have stated, it is unfortunate for hunting and the owners. However, as some one who has had two of his own dogs shot through the years I will full on state that it is the owners responsibility to keep track of their animals. Last I checked (years ago) there are in fact legal rights people have to shoot dogs if they are running deer. The first dog I had shot was when I was pretty young, we used to bring the farm dogs out to the cabin for the summer. Never had her go missing and rarely saw it wander over the property line. Watched her run up on the deck after being shot by a .22 several houses down in the middle of the summer. Granted there was obviously many better ways that guy could have handled that since no one had ever mentioned her being in their yard. However, we should have taken the further precautions cause you never know what other people are going to do. My other dog was shot in my front yard on the farm; not a neighbor within a 3/4 mile. Empty shot gun shells at the end of our driveway and also at end of other neighbors driveways who also had dogs. Those are the instances to get T’ed off about.

    Different people live different lives and have different prerogatives. We have invested a ton of money into deer hunting and have worked hard with the neighboring houses on dog control (it was a big chore but has paid off). I’d never shoot a dog, don’t have the heart to do it; but I know for a fact others around me have no problem with it.

    mike_j
    Nashua Iowa
    Posts: 754
    October 31, 2013 at 2:12 am #133431

    I’m not saying what they did was right but i’m guessing this wasn’t the only time these dogs were under this hunters stand. People need to understand that there dogs are trespassing the same as a person is if they are on property they don’t have permission to be on. If the dog was friendly I think I would check the tag and try to call the owner to take care of the problem before shooting the dog though. Hope the other side of this story comes out with as much publicity!

    phishirman
    Madison, WI
    Posts: 1090
    October 31, 2013 at 2:33 pm #133441

    From what it sounds like to me, the guy(s) had no right to shoot the dog. Sure, the owners shouldn’t have let the dog run around on what sounds like public hunting grounds, but I personally don’t think that’s justification for shooting a family pet. In my opinion, the ethical thing to do would be to find the owners and let them know to keep their dog on their own property. If it really bothered them that much and if they didn’t want to go through the hassle of knocking on doors, contact a game warden and let them know. Even if the dog was chasing deer, I think they changed the law a while back to where only law enforcement can shoot a dog. I’m in no way defending the owners of the dog as they definitely should not be letting their dogs run wild, I just don’t agree with shooting someone’s pet because it walked under your treestand. A definite black eye for hunters…

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18621
    October 31, 2013 at 2:34 pm #133442

    Shooting a dog for no reason is the work of a sadistic killer one step behind doing the same thing to humans.

    I was attacked by a Doberman once in grouse cover. I didn’t kill it.

    tres_pezon
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 94
    October 31, 2013 at 2:34 pm #133443

    Right on Buckshot…you make a couple great points there.

    thegun
    mn
    Posts: 1009
    October 31, 2013 at 3:08 pm #133448

    first off i agree that the owners of the dogs are responsible for their dogs.. there is a thing called a pet safe fence! BUY ONE!!

    on the other hand the hunters should be prosecuted! that is like shooting someones kid.. all because one nights hunt was buggered up..

    things could have been handled differently.. for those of you that shoot dogs in the wood not only is it against the law you need to remember others are out hunting areas with there dogs and sometimes the dog might take off after something.. and get away.. that dog may be someone’s best buddy and have hundreds of hours working and thousands of dollars stuck in that dog.. you shoot it you should go to jail on your land or not!

    Corey

    neusch303
    Posts: 539
    October 31, 2013 at 5:06 pm #133454

    You guys are aware we have no details. What if the hunters talk to the owners 4 times about their dog running wild? Remember, all we know is the dog was loose and not on its property. That is it.

    neusch303
    Posts: 539
    October 31, 2013 at 5:08 pm #133455

    Quote:

    Who whould shoot a dog and then leave it lay under their own tree stand?

    Grouse

    Exactly. SSS

    timmy
    Posts: 1960
    October 31, 2013 at 5:33 pm #133457

    Quote:

    What if the hunters talk to the owners 4 times about their dog running wild?

    This should make ZERO difference. This comment surprises me, as you always talk about following all laws no matter what. A hunter shooting a domestic dog is against the law, unless it is in self-defense. Assuming it was not – then talking to the owners about it ahead of time does not change the situation.

    timmy
    Posts: 1960
    October 31, 2013 at 5:35 pm #133459

    Quote:

    Quote:

    Who whould shoot a dog and then leave it lay under their own tree stand?

    Grouse


    Exactly. SSS

    So I gather that you believe in following all laws except for when they don’t serve YOU well?

    neusch303
    Posts: 539
    October 31, 2013 at 9:04 pm #133468

    I understand your points Tim. I just feel but owners SHOULD be aware of their animals.

    I have had to shoot a few dogs that their owners allowed to run and I caught harassing and running our horses. In each case we talked with the owners twice before solving the problem ourselves. It is the owners responsibility to care for their pet. I wouldn’t shoot a dog unless I actively saw it running deer, (at least I like to believe I would). However, I am a law abiding citizen and a dog owner. I like to think we all take each situation and it’s specific circumstances into consideration before making a decision.

    Again, I do not know the facts of this story except that the dog escaped or was allowed to run. Very unfortunate regardless.

    I know that MN changed the law regarding shooting dogs running deer. And yes, I disagree with that change. For the record, I do speed and accept responsibility when/if I get cited. Also I am being honest. It is not like I enjoy doing that.

    neusch303
    Posts: 539
    October 31, 2013 at 9:09 pm #133469

    Funny thing is I do not believe in SSS a wolf like so many claim to support. But a domestic dog/cat killing game, that really gets me steamed.

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    October 31, 2013 at 10:13 pm #133470

    I think one thing stands out to me in this scenario. People view dogs much differently. To me, they are a tool. Sure I’ve been close to my dogs, but never like some. Those who are most offended by the act of shooting the dog are probably the least likely to put their pet in a situation where it will get shot.

    Like many have stated, we don’t know how many times the dog’s owners were contacted. I believe if they are willing to let a dog run then do they really care about the animal? Again, I blame the owners. Not condoning shooting the dog in most scenarios, but the fact is we simply don’t know the truth at this point. Or these guys could have been real jackholes. Doubt we will ever know the truth.

    vikefanmn77
    Northfield,MN
    Posts: 1493
    November 1, 2013 at 5:47 pm #133504

    Black eye for sure. Like a previous post stated, it is NOT legal to shoot a dog chasing deer. Only a member of law enforcement can do it. Stupid law, but it is what it is. I don’t particularly care much for dogs, but even if I saw one chasing deer I wouldn’t shoot it…and especially during bow season. The season is too long to take such a measure.

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