Target Practice

  • Sharon
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    SE Metro
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    #207868

    I spent some time shooting my deer rifle this weekend and I have to say I’m quite pleased with myself! I shot four shots all at the middle target. The first two are high and left. After some adjustments on the scope, my second two shots are just above and below the bullseye!

    Historically, I’m not the best shot at targets, but I shoot deer just fine. A good friend of mine helps me with shooting and this time it was just the two of us. I was calm and relaxed and I remembered every he’s taught me, and I shot great! I’m not sure why I can’t seem to shoot targets well with people watching, but no matter. Hitting the deer in the right spot is the important thing anyway.

    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13478
    #132131

    No signs of trigger pull there!

    Steve Root
    South St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 5625
    #132132

    Nice shootin’ there Sharon!

    johnee
    Posts: 731
    #132146

    That’ll get-r-done.

    What’s the rifle?

    Grouse

    Sharon
    Moderator
    SE Metro
    Posts: 5457
    #132150

    It’s an old Marlin 35 lever action that my father-in-law gave to me. Great gun and it fits me well!

    johnee
    Posts: 731
    #132154

    If you can do that at 100 with a lever action .30-30, that’ll be plenty good.

    I have to get out to the range this weekend. Could be my last chance before things get crazy.

    Grouse

    neusch303
    Posts: 539
    #132156

    I have been wanting to post something but I keep refraining till now. Grouse’s “way to go” comment tears it for me. “Pie plate” hunters are not doing their quarry justice. That is not what I consider to be an acceptable number of shots per year or group. A person should be burning a lot of ammo/year to be comfortable with their weapon. Not just a 2-4 shot sight in three weeks before October. I would say a MOA group is a minimum to declare weapon readiness for season.

    If I can shoot sub-MOA groups with a factory Ruger #1 (factory trigger) in 45-70 I would expect sub-MOA groups from just about any rifle.

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #132157

    I agree with the premise of your post, we owe our quarry the most efficient death possible. However, the old saying you can more bees with honey than vinegar comes to mind. It would be awesome if we could all burn through a few hundred rounds a year. The reality is, most of us don’t have the time or resources to do this. That fact is, whitetails do offer a large vital zone and sub MOA certainly isn’t required to kill them. Personally I’d rather shooters focus on limitations like distance, moving targets etc…

    neusch303
    Posts: 539
    #132158

    Quote:


    I agree with the premise of your post, we owe our quarry the most efficient death possible. However, the old saying you can more bees with honey than vinegar comes to mind. It would be awesome if we could all burn through a few hundred rounds a year. The reality is, most of us don’t have the time or resources to do this. That fact is, whitetails do offer a large vital zone and sub MOA certainly isn’t required to kill them. Personally I’d rather shooters focus on limitations like distance, moving targets etc…


    I can’t argue with anything you stated. It just really gets me all worked up when I see guys come to the range in October that I know haven’t shot all year. Then watch then shoot 2-3 rounds and be happy with a 9″ grouping.

    Of course to extend on your post. These are the same guys that take shots beyond 200 yards without knowledge of their ballistics and without practice.

    timmy
    Posts: 1960
    #132159

    Sharon – I’d hate to be a buck within a hundred yds of you……..that would be a bad day!

    Good job.

    T

    mike_j
    Nashua Iowa
    Posts: 754
    #132164

    I agree that a lot of people need to shoot more but sometimes it’s more a matter of just shooting a gun than the exact gun you are going to shoot for hunting. I shoot a lot of different guns through out the year for fun and I suppose practice. When your gun for fire arms season is a 12 gauge shotgun shooting Remington accutip 385 grain slugs your not going to shoot it a couple hundred times a year. #1 it’s not fun to shoot and #2 at $2.50 a trigger pull it’s a little spendy. That being said I do take mine out and shoot a 5 shot group a month or so before gun season opens to be sure it’s dead on. I have my 10 year old shoot a lot of .22lr and .17 hmr but I don’t make him practice all day with a muzzle loader shooting 100 grains of 777 and a 250 grain bullet. I think it would cause bad habits for him to get pounded by the recoil on a regular basis.

    johnee
    Posts: 731
    #132176

    Quote:


    I have been wanting to post something but I keep refraining till now. Grouse’s “way to go” comment tears it for me. “Pie plate” hunters are not doing their quarry justice. That is not what I consider to be an acceptable number of shots per year or group. A person should be burning a lot of ammo/year to be comfortable with their weapon. Not just a 2-4 shot sight in three weeks before October. I would say a MOA group is a minimum to declare weapon readiness for season.

    If I can shoot sub-MOA groups with a factory Ruger #1 (factory trigger) in 45-70 I would expect sub-MOA groups from just about any rifle.


    First of all, you must have exceptionally small pies around your house, Ruger. Compensated for the obvious scope errors, it looks to me like Sharon put 4 shots in a 3 inch circle. That’s a damn small pie plate.

    You are making quite a number of assumptions with this post. All of which could be wrong and none of which are supported by the original post.

    1. Where does Sharon say anything that supports your assumption that this is all she has or will shoot this year?

    2. Where does she say that this is all she intends to shoot between now and deer season?

    3. You also say that an MOA group is the a minimum. Great. Do you even know what MOA is? MOA has no meaning at all unless it is accompanied by the distance. 50? 100? 400? I’d love to see your MOA 400 yard 5 shot group with your Ruger 45-70, please post a picture. Even better, I’d like to see your MOA group at 400 with Sharon’s rifle. As you just said, if you can’t shoot MOA, you shouldn’t be out there. Or would you care to ammend that statement?

    The key factor for every hunter is to know their capabilities and know their weapon. A “Pie Plate” hunter, as you so gently put it, is no worse than all these people proffering themselves as “long range hunters”, as is the current fad. Wheather this is acceptable or not depends entirely on the capability and disicipline of the individual, regardless of how many rounds they run down the barrel each year.

    I shoot thousands of rounds of centerfire rifle and pistol each year. I hunt deer with a pistol and I know from my own experience that 150 yards is my limit. COULD I make a shot beyond this? Very likely. But that’s where I’m setting my personal limit.

    Grouse

    neusch303
    Posts: 539
    #132177

    Huh.

    FYI, the 45-70 is not 400 yard gun. 125 yards max for me. Ballistics don’t support any further ethical shots.

    No ammending here. MOA is a requirement for me. If that weapon cannot shoot sub-MOA despite my best loadings. It is gone.

    johnee
    Posts: 731
    #132181

    Quote:


    Huh.

    FYI, the 45-70 is not 400 yard gun. 125 yards max for me. Ballistics don’t support any further ethical shots.

    No ammending here. MOA is a requirement for me. If that weapon cannot shoot sub-MOA despite my best loadings. It is gone.


    Well, you did ammend your statement: MOA at 125 yards. Which is roughly equal to 1.3 inch groups. Your original statement said everyone should be able to shoot MOA, which has no meaning because MOA could range from a .4 inch group at 50 yards to a 5+ inch group at 400+ yards.

    While I don’t disagree that practice is important, I’m also more of a fan of quality rather than quantity. IMO, practice from a bench and sandbags, which is where most people do 100% of their shooting, is only marginally better than no practice at all when it comes to real life shooting. Unless, of course, you have a deer stand that has a bench and sandbags in it.

    Our guide on this past summer’s p-dog trip said that the better of a shot someone clamis to be off the bench, the harder time they will have with p-dogs because they aren’t used to having to deal with any variables. They then become frustrated and change too many factors, too quickly.

    Also–and I know this is killing off a fun discussion–but reality check here. How many deer in MN and WI are killed at a distace greater than 50 yards? I don’t know the answer, but I think we all would be right to suspect it’s a vast majority.

    Grouse

    Grouse

    neusch303
    Posts: 539
    #132185

    I would tend to disagree. Nobody has to specify yardage when referencing MOA. If you are shooting MOA or Sub-MOA then you are shooting the appropriate size group or smaller for that particular range shot.

    I can’t comment on ranges in MN. We tend to kill our deer over 200 yards away. But we hunt clear cuts and powerlines a lot. I bet a lot are shot under 50 yards.

    slipbob_nick
    Princeton, MN
    Posts: 1297
    #132213

    in a perfect world we would all have the time and resources to burn through ammo and shoot like crazy. I’ve always had the opinion most hunters use a variety of guns throughout the year. Your responsible for making sure the gun is on well before the seasona and right before following up. I completley disagree with blasting the crap out of your shoulder with a shotgun or rifle by shooting a large number of shots. get the gun on useing a gun rest first so it is perfectly on the bullseye and then beable to hit without the rest. and practice practice practice with a 22. no recoil and work on your form.

    slipbob_nick
    Princeton, MN
    Posts: 1297
    #132214

    Sharon

    nice shooting. after your adjustment hitting that close to the bullseye no deer stands a chance.

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