Heard a rumor……

  • stillakid2
    Roberts, WI
    Posts: 4603
    #207821

    Some fella at Gander tried telling me that 28ga. is the “new caliber” in shotguns now. Did a little research and it looks like 28’s are more popular than ever. However, 28ga isn’t new at all. The other thing he said is that ALL of the manufacturers have discontinued their 16ga models. Did a little research and you know what? I think it just might be true! A lot of gun makers are not listing 16ga. as an offering for 2014 lineups! In fact, the ONLY maker I saw still listing it as an option was Stoeger!

    I guess…… if I’m ever going to get one, now’s better than later! Now…… what do I want???

    Ralph Wiggum
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 11764
    #131029

    New, huh?

    I’ve got my great-grandpa’s 16-gauge and am counting on getting my grandpa’s 28-gauge from my uncle!

    mallard_militia
    Fulton County, Illinois
    Posts: 1108
    #131032

    28ga is a very popular trap and sporting clay round.

    stillakid2
    Roberts, WI
    Posts: 4603
    #131035

    Yes, I already have a 28ga…. a Mossberg Silver Reserve O/U. Not my top choice but I like it pretty well. I just couldn’t believe he was trying to say 28 is the “new” size!

    johnee
    Posts: 731
    #131036

    The 28 is hardly new. There might be a resurgance in interst in it, but it’s not new.

    There were commercially made 28 bores all the way back to the blackpowder percussion era. With the advent of the breechloader, I know pinfire cartridges were available from a variety of English and European makers in 28 bore, so the “modern” 28 goes back at least to the 1870s.

    Parker was argueably the American maker who did the most to amp up interest in the 28 on this side of the pond.

    As far as the 16 gauge “going out of production this year, this isn’t exactly true. First, the 16 has been out of mainstream production as a repeater for quite some time. Remington and Browning have both tried to rekindle interest with various production guns over the last 20 years.

    As far as doubles, in addtion to Stoeger, there are a varity of doubles in current production. Granted, these may be as “special runs” so they might not always be available from a distributor.

    My father has never owned a 12 gauge. He hunted ONLY with 16 and 20 gauges. He contends–and I believe correctly–that before the advent of the lightweight 20 gauge that could fire 3 inch shells, the 16 was the ultimate lightweight pheasant and ruffed grouse gun.

    My dad carries a Remington Model 11 in 16 gauge for pheasant and he uses it with tremendous effectiveness. Last year we were out in western MN on private land and had just finished a piece and were sitting with guns unloaded listening to the Gophers on the radio.

    Some other hunters were pushing an adjoining parcel of CRP and they pushed a rooster out the end and it took the wind and curled on a flight pather that indicated it would come right over us. At about 30,000 feet.

    I pointed the bird out to dad and said, jokingly, “Shoot that pheasant when it comes over us, would you?”

    Dad took me seriously and said, “OK, just this once.”

    He walked up to the cab of the truck, opened the door, uncased his 16, dropped one shell in, and slamed the bolt shut and started his swing. Bang! The rooster folded like suitcase and did that head-down fall straight into the stubble. Off went the dogs.

    I’m not sure how high that bird was, but I could have fired a case of shells at it and not touched a feather. It was a 30 yard shot if it was a foot, I know that.

    I turned to my uncle Mark and said, “I just HATE it when he does s!!t like that.”

    “Well, he’s been doing s##t like that to me for 50 years. I got used to it by the mid-60s. It’s still a little annoying though.”

    About then dad walks around to the back of the truck and said, “Hey, I think I got it. We should pass shoot pheasants more often!”

    Grouse

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #131039

    Love it. I would love to do a European style hunt someday. Late December, nasty northwest wind. Pass shoot them buggers. It would be fun.

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18602
    #131040

    Quote:


    Love it. I would love to do a European style hunt someday. Late December, nasty northwest wind. Pass shoot them buggers. It would be fun.


    My dream trip is 4 species of bird on same hunt. I hope to make Montana in the next few years.

    Ralph Wiggum
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 11764
    #131041

    Quote:


    My dream trip is 4 species of bird on same hunt.



    Montana? I could do that in my backyard…sparrows, cardinals, robins, and wrens.

    stillakid2
    Roberts, WI
    Posts: 4603
    #131045

    I was hoping you’d chime in Grouse! Knowing you’re a 16 fan, I was thinking that if you didn’t know, you’d find out! Anyway, thanks for doing so. When you say “repeater”, is that including pumps? From what I was told the Browning BPS was no longer available in 16.

    Great story about your dad! Sounds like our paternal experiences may be similar! My dad does the same kind of things from time to time. Gotta love ’em!

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22418
    #131048

    Anybody own a 32 gauge ? I have an old 28 gauge single shot, looks like hell but it still shoots

    johnee
    Posts: 731
    #131055

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    I was hoping you’d chime in Grouse! Knowing you’re a 16 fan, I was thinking that if you didn’t know, you’d find out! Anyway, thanks for doing so. When you say “repeater”, is that including pumps? From what I was told the Browning BPS was no longer available in 16.

    Great story about your dad! Sounds like our paternal experiences may be similar! My dad does the same kind of things from time to time. Gotta love ’em!


    Yes, by repeaters I mean pumps and autos.

    I thought the BPS 16 went out of production years ago. Browning had tended to do 16 gauge guns like the BPS, A5, and Citori in limited runs, so it’s hard to tell what’s in “production” currently because modern production was sporadic to begin with.

    I have a friend who has the Citori in 16 gauge. Awesome grouse and pheasant gun and beautiful besides. The only detractor, to my eye at least, is that it has the Browning high-gloss finish, which I think makes te stock look plastic.

    Remington did a limited run of 16 gauge 1100s back in the 1990s and aparently they were (are?) available from distributors well into the 2000s. They also have done runs of 870s at various times, again I think he last one was in the early 90s, but that’s from memory so there may have been more recent ones.

    If you want a 16, there are still plenty of choices in the used market. I think a lot of people think the 16 was always rare, which is absolutely not the case. The 16 was far more common than the 20 until it started to decline after the 1960s.

    So what caused the decline? Did the 16 gauge leap, or was it pushed out of favor?

    I’d say all evidence points to the 16 being pushed. The decline of the 16 gauge tracks almost perfectly with the implementation of steel shot requirements for waterfowl.

    There is no point in calling it “non-toxic” shot, the only option when the rules came in was steel. And the 16 suddenly was out of favor because it simply didn’t have the payload and there was no 3 inch magnum offering. Game, set, and match to the 12.

    I think a lot of younger guys don’t realize how tramatic it was for hunters who went through the transition from lead to steel for waterfowl. My father hunted with a 20 gauge Model 11 since the age of 8 and for jump shooting ND and western MN pothole ducks, he always used the 20 gauge up into the 1970s! And that would be a 20 gauge with 2 3/4 inch shells. According to him, there was no point in shooting ducks up by using a “big” gun like the 16 when the were so close.

    Suddenly, almost 30 years after he learned to shoot, steel is the law and, man, I can remember some of those early “cursing sessions” trying to come to terms with the faster, lighter steel. It was like learning to shoot all over again.

    There will always be plenty of 16 gauges on the market for those who are interested. For example, there was absolutely nothing wrong with the Remington 48 and 58 models. They were recoil operated autos, and Remington made plenty of them in 16.

    Also, there were hundreds of thousands or millions of Browning A5s made in 16 over the years. Of all the 16s, outside of higher-end doubles, the A5 is the gun I see the most of and in the best overall condition. You can have a NRA VG grade gun for $800 in an A5.

    Grouse

    stillakid2
    Roberts, WI
    Posts: 4603
    #131077

    I love all the info FG! I really do! Fun to read…..

    As for finding a 16, I know back when we were talking about “weird” calibers and such (when you shared your affection of the 218 Bee), I mentioned that one day I’d have a 16ga. shotgun. No real reason, just wanted one. So, in growing up with a Winchester 1200 12 gauge, I already know the fit and feel of that pump and I decided to pick one up off of GunBroker with a modified barrel on it. Inexpensive to purchase and fills the void with something familiar.

    I still see some 870’s and BPS’s on GunBroker but again, it was in good shape and less expensive, not to mention, familiar. Speaking of, I’m going to go pick it up! Can’t wait to create some memories with it!

    johnee
    Posts: 731
    #131093

    If you want a Win 1200 in 16 there are plenty of them around. Not as common as the 870, but still… I would certainly say wait for a good one, don’t buy anything with condition problems as fixing is going to be more expensive than simply buying a better gun in the first place.

    Re the choke issue, personally if it was a shooter gun for me, I’d take it in and have screw in chokes added. There is an urban legend that they don’t make screw in chokes for a 16, which is absolutely wrong. It’s not that expensive and it doesn’t alter the outside appearance.

    Ammo for the 16 can be a pain if you shoot a lot of different loads, but taking my dad as an example, he only uses it for phesant, so he buys Fiocci #5 Gold Pheasants by the 10 box case and that solves the problem for a long, long time.

    Grouse

    Grouse

    stillakid2
    Roberts, WI
    Posts: 4603
    #131117

    I don’t know how far I’ll take this Grouse….. I have the 1200 in my possession and in looking things over, I think it’s in pretty good shape. The action is smooth all the way through and it’s very clean. It looks to be in the same condition as my 12.

    I’m not sure I’m interested in upgrading the barrel to accept chokes. I have enough other shotguns to cover my necessities and I figure the most use the gun is going to see is the occasional clay target and grouse, so the modified barrel, imho….., is sufficient. I’ve never had any lofty goals for the 16 I acquired someday. A few targets and grouse was all I envisioned. As stated earlier, I knew I wanted one…… just to have one….. just for something different.

    Thanks again for your input and recommendations! One day, I may change my mind….. who knows???

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