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  • muskybones
    Posts: 372
    #207496

    How much is a lease going for. I am looking at doing my frist ever lease with my dad. Its 40 chuck. guy has not hunted it but one of his reliteves have and says they have shot 2 bucks in the last 3 years and thats all didnt say any thing else about size or does. what do you guys think is a good price?

    walleyebuster5
    Central MN
    Posts: 3916
    #123048

    Im sure it depends WHERE! BUT,, I’d talk it over with your dad on what you’re willing to pay (max). I would ask the owner what he feels is fair first and go from there. He may say $100 and you’re willing to say $1000. I would just try to avoid laying a bunch of money on the table. IF he makes you throw and offer first,, start fair and go from there. It’s all going to depend on what he wants for it. I’ve never leased,, that’s just basic negotiation.

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #123066

    Are you looking for a trophy hunt or just a place to shoot some meat? I would want to walk the property to get a feel for the land. Maybe do some internet searching for deer harvests in that area. Depending on the area and if commercial leasing dominates the surrounding properties, you might get by with just covering the taxes. If this is a well known trophy area, then expect to pay much more.

    Jon Stevens
    Northfield, Wi
    Posts: 1242
    #123076

    Look up what he pays in taxes. I start negotiations at around 1/3 less than taxes. I also look at what I consider “huntable acerage”. Is there any ag land rented out? Is there options for food plots? Is there a possibility for a long term lease? Lots of “if’s” when breaking down a lease.

    Good Luck!

    johnee
    Posts: 731
    #123079

    I agree with Kooty, a lot depends on what a walk-through tells you about the property and its potential.

    I would add that to truely assess the quality of a small parcel like a 40 acre property, it’s just as important to know what the hunting situation is like on the NEIGHBORING properties.

    If one or more of the neighbor properties are into QDM, have food plots, etc, then it’s one answer. If, on the other hand, every other property in the area is party hunted by a huge extended family of rabid whack/stack meat hunters, then it’s a totally different situation.

    Mind you, with a long-term veiw you can turn a little property into a refuge that the deer will use to get away from parties of crazed meat hunters. But you have to factor in all these angles when deciding how much you can pay.

    Grouse

    corncob
    Posts: 16
    #123089

    “Crazed meat hunters” WOW just amazes me how some people think they are better than other because they are “trophy hunters.” Lets respect everyone’s choice to hunt how ever they want (as long as it is legal) and remember that we are all “Hunters.”

    tapout
    Posts: 309
    #123091

    I dont hate on guys that are out for meat. I will admit im a trophy hunter all the way and have no shame in it. But was not raised that way from the old man. But my ? For u is 4.5 year old 12 pointer that goes 165 steps out with a tasty little doe your going to take the doe right? cause that does going to taste better on the dinner table. Just asking?

    corncob
    Posts: 16
    #123094

    Tapout, I guess I didn’t explain myself well enough. I too am a trophy hunter, BUT I make a point to never put someone down for any deer that they harvest. If someone is happy to shoot a four pointer who are we to tell him to let it go. Not everyone has the funds to purchase or lease land. Also in this economy some people are being forced to be meat hunters. I am hopeful that I can kill one more doe this year compared to last.

    johnee
    Posts: 731
    #123104

    It’s nothing to do with looking down on anyone. When it comes to spending hard-earned money to lease land, I’m simply stating that it’s a real factor in the pricing.

    I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve heard hunters from the well-known meat camps near our properties complaining that there are no big bucks around. And then my gaze shifts to their meat pole in the yard and there’s 2 spikes and a forkhorn hanging there. Yeah, golly, I wonder why? Maybe the wolves are getting all the big bucks, eh?

    The reality is that if you have properties full of whack/stack meat hunters nearby, there is an impact on all the neighboring properties. Just pointing out that when it comes to small parcels, that impact should be a factor in the decision of what to lease and how much to pay.

    Grouse

    tapout
    Posts: 309
    #123385

    SO back to this ? I know theirs a lot of factors but lets just say its good land all hard woods and known to hold a few decent bucks just throw some numbers out their. Lets say 60 to 100 acres

    johnee
    Posts: 731
    #123487

    Quote:


    SO back to this ? I know theirs a lot of factors but lets just say its good land all hard woods and known to hold a few decent bucks just throw some numbers out their. Lets say 60 to 100 acres


    Where? Just give us the county. Location is one of the biggest driving factors.

    Grouse

    tapout
    Posts: 309
    #123489

    WAbasha county like lake city wabasha area

    johnee
    Posts: 731
    #123493

    Keep in mind that there’s no exact way to get an answer. You can’t look up comps as you can with real estate sales.

    IMO, that close to the Twin Cities and assuming firearms deer season only, I think if you got exclusive access to that kind of acerage for $1000, you’d be doing very well. I assume you’re splitting this with other hunters.

    Obviously, even better if you could get it for less, but it could just as easily be much more depending on what the owner knows about other leases in the area. I’d negotiate carefully. As others have suggested, start by trying to get some intel about what the other party is thinking without throwing out a figure too early.

    In cases of hunting land, there’s an opportunity cost. How many other parcels of land are for lease in the same area? Probably damn few. “Worth” is a very slippery term because it depends on your motivation as well as how deep are your pockets. If I had nowhere else to hunt, I can tell you that I’d pay even more than $1000 for a lease >60 ac. in that area, but that’s just me.

    Grouse

    tapout
    Posts: 309
    #123498

    WEll we own two properties already. 100 pluse acres a piece. And the one im looking at leasing we hunt now but so do others. Were going to buy this property as well in the next 5 years. But have a chance to just lease it until then and get it secured so we can start deer management cause its kinda in the middle of a bunch of different properties we have. I know I can get ahold of it for under a grand its an old farmer my family sold him the land years ago but he just wanted the tillable could care less whos in the woods so he said he would sell it back to us cheap. But he first needs to buy somthing else for tax reasons or aomething along those lines

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #123502

    I’d say a 100 acres under a grand is a good deal. Especially given your long term plans for it.

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