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Good question. I’d like to know the answer as well.

Bob’s answer via PM was, ummm, entertaining but I’m still wondering if anyone has any other techniques or things to look for. There must be a thousand or more walleye fishermen on this site … Anyone???

They crackle more when they hit the oil.

I can’t. And the DNR guys I’ve asked say they can’t with any measure of reliability either.

Simple —- When cleaning: if the insides have yellowish eggs then they are female, a whitish color is the milt for males. Ohh… you probably wanted to know the sex when they were alive? Sorry, can’t help there

Reason I asked is that there’s a guide in Hayward who found a great open water bite for big walleyes (seems like 22-26″ is most common) and he’s keeping a bunch of them … says they’re all males. In my experience, mid-20″ males are hard to come by at best. I hate to see big fish kept whether they’re female or male (from what I can tell, size structure is very important to the health of a species’s population and to the balance of the body of water overall), but I suppose he’s only biting the hand that feeds him (I don’t even fish the same lake).

I saw those same pics and description of the stringers of 21-26″ walleyes as all being males.

On our local lake, part of the same drainage system that many of the Hayward Lakes are part of, the fisheries biologists have concluded that the VAST majority of the fish over 18″ are female, and that very very few males reach those sorts of proportions.

I have one confirmed catch of a 21″ male….I know it was a male because of the white residue he left on my carpet before I released him. The vast majority of the milky males I catch on the Miss during the spring are much much smaller than 21-26″.

I will add that the open water bite on LCO and Grindstone isn’t much of a secret. On a given summer day, there are plenty of sets of planar boards being towed around those lakes and the other deep lakes in the area (Round, Namekagon) where trolling is allowed.

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Reason I asked is that there’s a guide in Hayward who found a great open water bite for big walleyes (seems like 22-26″ is most common) and he’s keeping a bunch of them … says they’re all males.

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He’s fooling himself into thinking that “the majority are males.” That all of them are males is completely improbable.

This is one of those “bury my head in the sand so I can sleep at night” type conclusions.

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I have one confirmed catch of a 21″ male….I know it was a male because of the white residue he left on my carpet before I released him.

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I just don’t know how to respond to that

Head in the sand is right. I’ve seen a few big males (incl. a 26″ that was either a male or a sterile female) but everything you guys said makes complete sense to me. Additionally, it makes sense to release big males (to me) because you know they’ve got good genes. That might be a stretch, but it can’t hurt.

Most of the guys trolling open water in Hayward are targeting muskies … I’d bet 80%+ up until the last couple of years. I’d guess the majority still does. But I suppose they started catching enough big walleyes on muskie baits…

These aren’t huge lakes (a few thousand acres, but not exactly Mille Lacs), and they’ll do lots of damage by keeping bigger eyes. Too bad for everyone, including the area guides in the long run.

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Bob’s answer via PM was, ummm, entertaining but I’m still wondering if anyone has any other techniques or things to look for. There must be a thousand or more walleye fishermen on this site … Anyone???

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Place a full can of beer in your livewell and also an old cell phone.

The male walleyes will hang out by the beer can.
The female walleyes will hang out by the phone.

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Place a full can of beer in your livewell and also an old cell phone.

The male walleyes will hang out by the beer can.
The female walleyes will hang out by the phone.

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Thats a great Idea Gary

I’ll have to give that a try

I would Try to use Common sence and reasoning. If you don’t get anywhere than its probabally a female

Wisconsin: Personal Protection Act Goes
to Senate and Assembly Floors

After more than a decade of work to secure the right to carry concealed handguns for self-defense in Wisconsin, success is finally within reach. The NRA supported Senate Bill 93, the Personal Protection Act (PPA), as it was amended in the Senate Judiciary Committee. The amended bill, sponsored by state Senator Pam Galloway (R-Wausau), allowed law-abiding citizens to carry concealed without a license for self-defense in the same manner as is available to the citizens of four other states. It also included the option of obtaining a concealed weapons license, for those who must pass through school zones or who want to be able to carry a firearm for self-defense while traveling in a number of other states through reciprocal agreements.

After tireless work in support of this bill – that provided the best of all worlds – it became evident that the necessary votes in both the Assembly and Senate could not be obtained. Today, the Joint Finance Committee adopted a substitute amendment that changes SB 93 to one of the most streamlined and rights-protecting concealed carry license systems in the country.

It is not the ideal system, but it is undeniably an enormous first step toward restoring the essential personal freedoms that were stripped from Wisconsinites more than a century ago. Under the newly amended bill, Wisconsin will finally join 47 others that issue concealed weapons licenses. Of course, Vermont allows citizens to carry concealed but does not issue licenses. Illinois will be left as the last remaining, obstinate hold-out.

Some of the key provisions of the amended PPA include:

– License issued to Wisconsin residents at least 21 years-old who submit a completed application (no fingerprints), pass the same background check required of firearm purchasers, pay a total fee of $50 and provide proof of training using the time-tested Florida training model.

– Department of Justice (DOJ) is to issue or deny licenses within 21 days. Licenses are valid for five years.

– Training requirement is satisfied by completing a firearms safety class taught by an instructor certified by a state or national organization that certifies instructors or by completing a hunter education program. Exemptions for those who have served in the military and law enforcement or who have held carry licenses issued by other states are available.

– Protects the personal privacy of licensees.

– Allows all licensees, including employees, to keep their handguns locked in their private motor vehicle while on properties that otherwise prohibit concealed carry.

– Allows those citizens who choose to exercise their right to openly carry handguns in public to continue to carry in the same manner while in their motor vehicles. If there is any single place that these citizens should always be allowed to carry, it is in their own “mobile castles.” Also, this provision eliminates the requirement that citizens load or unload their firearms in a public setting each time they exit and enter their vehicles. A holstered firearm is a safe firearm.

Floor votes on SB 93 are expected next week! It is now time to make your voice heard one more time in this long battle to secure your freedoms. No matter how many times you have contacted your state legislators in the past, you must do so again. Contact your state Representative and state Senator and ask them if they support SB 93. If they do, thank them. If they do not, explain to them why they should. It is also essential that you tell them to reject all of the many hostile amendments that will be offered by self-defense opponents on the floor!

To contact your legislators, you can call the Legislative Hotline at 800-362-9472 for your state Senator and state Representative.

YOUR FREEDOM IN THE FUTURE DEPENDS ON YOUR ACTION TODAY!

Anything about other states? I find myself in WI almost as much as I am in IA.

I don’t know how many admendments they attached to it yesterday, (it passed 25 to 8) the last I heard they would honor other states permits.