Scott Walker?

What is every one feeling about what scott walker is doing about this bill? Who thinks its a good idea and who thinks its wrong, i am just wondering because i am in school and out school just had a “walk out” to support our teachers. They way i see Most of the kids in my school did not vote, nor ever will. Most of the people in Wisconsin did not vote in the past election. Can some one explain why if you did not vote why are you doing this walk out. The teachers did not walk out on us this morning so why dont people show resecpt and stay and in there classes since the teachers did not call in sick today. My standing on this is to pass the bill. Every one should have to pay for there health insurance. Why should people who are working for the state not have to pay? Why should people have to pay for 100% of there health insurance and 100% of other peoples.

I am not trying to start any fights i dont not know every thing that is happening, this is just my opinion ans i just wanted to know what everyone else thinks.

I luckily graduated in December from River Falls so im not going to be affected by this. However, i have a lot of friends that are currently enrolled in UW-Eau Claire, River Falls, Lacrosse, etc and they will be affected. What’s creating chaos is that teachers are expecting an 8-12% pay cut, students tuition will increase, certain classes will not be offered, etc. For those of you that don’t know, most professor tenured or not, don’t make more than $50,000 for how much schooling and research they complete. I know that it’s their choice to go into a profession with so much sacrifice for such little pay; however a 8-12% pay cut is huge
The teacher education program at River Falls is the best in the country so most of the students that are protesting are doing it for their future career. If i were currently enrolled in Wisconsin, I would be protesting too because i respect the professors at these Universities Some of them were tremendously inspirational to me and i would be protesting for them

My son is a teacher in Missouri. He makes around $34K. He pays 13.5% of his gross pay for his pension. He also pays a good portion of his health insurance. Why should Wisconsin teachers be any different?

The sad reality is that the teachers had a good thing going, but times change and nothing lasts forever. We as a State have overspent and now its time to pay off the debts we have accrued. I can’t put off paying my credit card bill and neither can the government.

you can protest all you want, its your right. but the bottom line is if there is no $$$$$ left you won’t have a job. so do they want to take less or loose the JOB!!!!! yes or no

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For those of you that don’t know, most professor tenured or not, don’t make more than $50,000 for how much schooling and research they complete.

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Edited to add Tenured professors.

I am not sure if someone is pulling your leg or? According to Highered your figure is way off for salary

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2008/03/10/cupa

If you click on the complete list I don`t see any tenured professor even close to what you are stating. ????????

Those listed are for Agricultural professors though. Im talking about psychology, early childhood professors, and those in the underrepresented studies. This could very well be a skewed statistic towards Madison compared to Stout, Lacrosse, River Falls, and many others. However, it depends on # of years being apart of the faculty, research conducted, participation in extra curricular activities, etc to be in the $80k+ salary Either way, 5+ years after an undergraduate degree for a doctorate degree deserves a decent salary IMO! These professors are responsible for our future! I know from personal experience that many of the psychology professors don’t make much more than 50k/year

This stuff over here in the hunting side ??? Well since it is… I am from the school that, you should not be paid based on how much “school” you have, but rather on the job you do. Yeah, a prof has the degrees, but unless they apply them, they just hang on the wall. Shouldn’t a job offer/chance come from schooling or experience & a salary from performance ? After all, a prof is a schools employee, who is suppose to help them make a profit.

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Those listed are for Agricultural professors though. Im talking about psychology, early childhood professors, and those in the underrepresented studies. This could very well be a skewed statistic towards Madison compared to Stout, Lacrosse, River Falls, and many others. However, it depends on # of years being apart of the faculty, research conducted, participation in extra curricular activities, etc to be in the $80k+ salary Either way, 5+ years after an undergraduate degree for a doctorate degree deserves a decent salary IMO! These professors are responsible for our future! I know from personal experience that many of the psychology professors don’t make much more than 50k/year

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Click on view full table list. And a gain this is tenured professors. Our school district pays teachers $51,000 for 1st year teachers plus $31,000 in benefits.

This average salary statistic is 3-4 years old and is nationwide It does not apply to WI..

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This stuff over here in the hunting side ??? Well since it is… I am from the school that, you should not be paid based on how much “school” you have, but rather on the job you do. Yeah, a prof has the degrees, but unless they apply them, they just hang on the wall. Shouldn’t a job offer/chance come from schooling or experience & a salary from performance ? After all, a prof is a schools employee, who is suppose to help them make a profit.

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I agree a lot. And to the point if you don’t like what you’re being paid at the teaching job. Go back to school for something else you like that pays more if the money is your thing. I have a 4 yr degree in Law Enforcement and dicided I wanted to make more money and have less stress. I got another job. It pays more and I’m happier. No big thing.

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This average salary statistic is 3-4 years old and is nationwide It does not apply to WI..

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Do you really think WI schools are “below” the national average as far as compensation ??? I don’t buy it at all, as I suspect you do not either… Why is this info so hard to find ??? Are not public positions salaries public knowledge ???

Yes i do actually….When you look all the other well known Universities across the country, Wisconsin has 2 at most (Milwaukee and Madison) The others like MIT, NYU, UCLA, etc are far more prestigious, thus the salary is higher

and there are no smaller ones making the average ???? Wow…. I will leave it at that….

scroll to page #2….. your numbers are WAY off …

Madison salaries

Again, those are Big 10 and more prestigious schools!

Well since they are marching all over Madison, I figured the numbers are relative to the issue. Professors at smaller colleges, either choose to teach there or can’t get into the bigger schools. I could work at a huge car dealer, but chose to stay at a medium sized one. I can hardly complain that I don’t make as much as someone at the bigger dealer…can I ?? Another thing to consider, when it is a percentage of your salary or benefits affected, it’s all relative across the board…no matter the amount you make

I agree, the big picture is that everyone will be effected

Are you sick of highly paid teachers?

Teachers’ hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year! It’s time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do – babysit!

We can get that for less than minimum wage.

That’s right. Let’s give them $3.00 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That would be $19.50 a day (7:45 to 3:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch and plan– that equals 6 1/2 hours).

Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day…maybe 30? So that’s $19.50 x 30 = $585.00 a day.

However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations.

LET’S SEE….

That’s $585 X 180= $105,300 per year. (Hold on! My calculator needs new batteries).

What about those special education teachers and the ones with Master’s degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage ($7.75), and just to be fair, round it off to $8.00 an hour. That would be $8 X 6 1/2 hours X 30 children X 180 days = $280,800 per year.

Wait a minute — there’s something wrong here! There sure is!

The average teacher’s salary (nation wide) is $50,000. $50,000/180 days = $277.77/per day/30 students=$9.25/6.5 hours = $1.42 per hour per student–a very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your kids!) WHAT A DEAL!!!!

well on a dif note here’s one of the problems with the union benies and cost read this its a long read
http://www.publicschoolspending.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/WEA-Trust-final-report.pdf

FYI: I absolutely HATE politics (especially on IDO)! I’m only chimming in on this because it does affect me and it’s truly disheartening – I’m seeing this debate ruin friendships and reek havoc between family members.

Here are a few facts to think about before judging and/or disrespecting our teachers as some (not all) do…

1. Teachers asked to pay for part of their health insurance in the 90’s when QEO law was introduced. Insurance companies came in and quickly shut this down knowing it would create competition and their profits would fall. We’ve been willing to pay. This is simply about politics and nothing about economics.

2. Fact: according to epi.org, a non-partisan group, educators in WI make 4.8% less than private sectors with college degrees. That is factoring hours worked!

3. Do people know that Walker created tax cuts to businesses in January which created a $140 million shortfall which he is using as his platform to create a deficit crisis in the public’s mind? Do you know that there is $1.5 billion in UNCOLLECTED corporate taxes, but he is still trying to cut education by $1 billion next year?

We can all debate this on and on…I’m not willing to fight on IDO! I’m only here to educate – and yes, there are more sides to the story than what is posted here…

I know we all take what is stated as fact with a grain of salt but. And it is a big but! Take a quick look at who sits on the board of directors of epi.org!

Think their numbers or so called facts are not leaning?

It would be like asking board members of peta, alf, and hsus for facts on hunting and fishing.

All I have to say is someone took a calculated risk on passing a Bill that went against what the majority wanted, and the casualty was the Midterm election. If anyone’s to blame it’s the Unions for not realising who the target would be when the other party took control. They put a lot of money behind the guy who promised a redistribution of wealth, and this is the result.

3. Do people know that Walker created tax cuts to businesses in January which created a $140 million shortfall which he is using as his platform to create a deficit crisis in the public’s mind?

FACT. The tax cut bill passed 24-9, with five Democrats joining 19 Republicans in support. That is what we commonly refer to as Bipartisanship. It was also cuts for small business,(under 50 employees) the backbone of the American economy.