Automatic Shotguns…

  • fish_any_time
    Champlin, MN
    Posts: 2097
    #205313

    Does anyone shoot either of the Mossberg 930 Autoloader or the 935 Magnum Autoloader? If so are you happy with it?

    I have a buddy who is looking to buy a good quality but yet economical autoloader. Is there such a thing?

    lenny_jamison
    Bay City , WI
    Posts: 4001
    #20847

    I have a 935 and am not happy at all with it. I bought it for ducks and geese and it is very temper-mental. If it gets any dirt in it it will not cycle properly and on two occasions it fired without me pulling the trigger.
    Needless to say, I have taken it out of commission.

    lenny_jamison
    Bay City , WI
    Posts: 4001
    #480108

    I have a 935 and am not happy at all with it. I bought it for ducks and geese and it is very temper-mental. If it gets any dirt in it it will not cycle properly and on two occasions it fired without me pulling the trigger.
    Needless to say, I have taken it out of commission.

    elesar
    Posts: 97
    #20848

    Have him take a look at the Remington SPR453. This is a Russian shotgun that Remington is now improting under its name, it used to be the Baikal MP-153, it is getting good marks for reliability and toughness in the field. Cabelas was selling them for $280, but it is probably a bit more now, around $350 or so. Here is a Video Link of a guy putting it through it’s paces, this video is of the Russian version before it became the Remington.
    The SPR453 is a 3 1/2 autoloader, with an adjustable gas setting. It is getting good reviews on the waterfowling boards and such. Just note that the gun comes packed in a ton of cosmoline (grease) that needs to be cleaned off before firing. And run at least 100 to 2oo rounds of heavy shells (3 1/4 dram or higher) to break in the action, this is good advice for any autoloader.

    He may also want to take a look at the Stoeger 2000 which is a recoil 3 inch autoloader made in Turkey, and licensed by Benelli to use its patented recoil system. Basically the difference between the Stoeger and Benelli is that the Stoeger is made in Turkey and not Italy, and the recoil spring is around the magazine tube, instead of in the stock. Being made in Turkey, the tolerances are a bit looser and the action will be a bit rougher feeling than a Benelli. The above advice about cleaning the packing grease off and running a couple of hundred heavy loads through it still applies. It retails for around $400 or so.

    Hope this helps and good luck with whatever you choose.

    elesar
    Posts: 97
    #480112

    Have him take a look at the Remington SPR453. This is a Russian shotgun that Remington is now improting under its name, it used to be the Baikal MP-153, it is getting good marks for reliability and toughness in the field. Cabelas was selling them for $280, but it is probably a bit more now, around $350 or so. Here is a Video Link of a guy putting it through it’s paces, this video is of the Russian version before it became the Remington.
    The SPR453 is a 3 1/2 autoloader, with an adjustable gas setting. It is getting good reviews on the waterfowling boards and such. Just note that the gun comes packed in a ton of cosmoline (grease) that needs to be cleaned off before firing. And run at least 100 to 2oo rounds of heavy shells (3 1/4 dram or higher) to break in the action, this is good advice for any autoloader.

    He may also want to take a look at the Stoeger 2000 which is a recoil 3 inch autoloader made in Turkey, and licensed by Benelli to use its patented recoil system. Basically the difference between the Stoeger and Benelli is that the Stoeger is made in Turkey and not Italy, and the recoil spring is around the magazine tube, instead of in the stock. Being made in Turkey, the tolerances are a bit looser and the action will be a bit rougher feeling than a Benelli. The above advice about cleaning the packing grease off and running a couple of hundred heavy loads through it still applies. It retails for around $400 or so.

    Hope this helps and good luck with whatever you choose.

    Hunting4Walleyes
    MN
    Posts: 1552
    #20849

    I want to start by saying this is just my .02. Stay away from Stoeger if you want to spend the whole day in the field and not the gunsmith. I have a friend that has a gunsmith business and he says he would not shoot one if it was given to him free. My friend took the “economical” approach and bought one. We went to North Dakota goose hunting a week later and his gun was done after a day in the field. He called and called and could not find anyone that would even look at it. He was lucky that I brought a extra gun with so it did not ruin his hunt. But he thought about the times he hunts alone and returned it when he got back. I would look at your local gun shop. They have a lot of used guns, and you would be surprised at some of the deals. I fould a nice Beretta autoloader someone bought and never used and then traded on another gun. I picked it up for $400. I am not saying you will see those deals everyday but if you put some time in you will find something nice. There is a lot of used 11-87 and 1100’s out there. Again just my .02.

    Hunting4Walleyes
    MN
    Posts: 1552
    #480116

    I want to start by saying this is just my .02. Stay away from Stoeger if you want to spend the whole day in the field and not the gunsmith. I have a friend that has a gunsmith business and he says he would not shoot one if it was given to him free. My friend took the “economical” approach and bought one. We went to North Dakota goose hunting a week later and his gun was done after a day in the field. He called and called and could not find anyone that would even look at it. He was lucky that I brought a extra gun with so it did not ruin his hunt. But he thought about the times he hunts alone and returned it when he got back. I would look at your local gun shop. They have a lot of used guns, and you would be surprised at some of the deals. I fould a nice Beretta autoloader someone bought and never used and then traded on another gun. I picked it up for $400. I am not saying you will see those deals everyday but if you put some time in you will find something nice. There is a lot of used 11-87 and 1100’s out there. Again just my .02.

    drakesdemise
    Residing in St. Paul, MN doing weekly travel throughout the five state Upper Midwest
    Posts: 976
    #20851

    Used would be my suggestion as well
    I have a Baikal O/U that is 25 years old and works great, but I know nothing about the autos.
    As long as we are answering your original question with personal honesty, Mossberg SUCKS!
    Even those of us that shoot the major brand shotguns have learned to carry one of the simple field repair kits in your shell bag (available at Cabela’s). After several years of shooting movable parts can wear out. You do not want a simple O-ring to ruin your trip.
    This said, I have not seen the repair kits for the off-brands, or many dealers/gunsmiths advertising that they are authorize service centers for the off-brands.
    cheers

    drakesdemise
    Residing in St. Paul, MN doing weekly travel throughout the five state Upper Midwest
    Posts: 976
    #480132

    Used would be my suggestion as well
    I have a Baikal O/U that is 25 years old and works great, but I know nothing about the autos.
    As long as we are answering your original question with personal honesty, Mossberg SUCKS!
    Even those of us that shoot the major brand shotguns have learned to carry one of the simple field repair kits in your shell bag (available at Cabela’s). After several years of shooting movable parts can wear out. You do not want a simple O-ring to ruin your trip.
    This said, I have not seen the repair kits for the off-brands, or many dealers/gunsmiths advertising that they are authorize service centers for the off-brands.
    cheers

    Shane Hildebrandt
    Blaine, mn
    Posts: 2921
    #20855

    tell him to stay away from autos, they all seem to jam on you at the worse time, get a 3 to 3 1/2 in pump. that way you can work the action yourself and it don’t cost a ton of money. I have an old rem 870 wingmaster and it has had many many rounds through it. i got that gun used when i was 14 and I am now 33 and it still shoots and haven’t had to put any money into it out of my pocket. my only regret is that it is only a 2 3/4. great upland bird gun though.

    shane

    Shane Hildebrandt
    Blaine, mn
    Posts: 2921
    #480157

    tell him to stay away from autos, they all seem to jam on you at the worse time, get a 3 to 3 1/2 in pump. that way you can work the action yourself and it don’t cost a ton of money. I have an old rem 870 wingmaster and it has had many many rounds through it. i got that gun used when i was 14 and I am now 33 and it still shoots and haven’t had to put any money into it out of my pocket. my only regret is that it is only a 2 3/4. great upland bird gun though.

    shane

    lenny_jamison
    Bay City , WI
    Posts: 4001
    #20860

    The Baikal is a great autoloader. It is not very pretty and rusts up rather easily. Most people paint the metal right away. Other than the appearances this gun will shoot in all conditions and will not be problem prone.

    It even has manual adjustment for controlling the ejection of shells.

    My two cents.

    Oh, I almost forgot the best part. They’re very inexpensive for an autoloader.

    lenny_jamison
    Bay City , WI
    Posts: 4001
    #480220

    The Baikal is a great autoloader. It is not very pretty and rusts up rather easily. Most people paint the metal right away. Other than the appearances this gun will shoot in all conditions and will not be problem prone.

    It even has manual adjustment for controlling the ejection of shells.

    My two cents.

    Oh, I almost forgot the best part. They’re very inexpensive for an autoloader.

    James Holst
    Keymaster
    SE Minnesota
    Posts: 18926
    #20863

    Any of you guys have any experience(s) with the Mossberg 9200? Semi-Auto. Shoots 3″. I did a little digging on the internet and found that they’ve been discontinued. A friend has one for sale at a good price but I’m just not familiar with the gun at all.

    James Holst
    Keymaster
    SE Minnesota
    Posts: 18926
    #480229

    Any of you guys have any experience(s) with the Mossberg 9200? Semi-Auto. Shoots 3″. I did a little digging on the internet and found that they’ve been discontinued. A friend has one for sale at a good price but I’m just not familiar with the gun at all.

    hooknfinger
    Rochester, Minnesota
    Posts: 1290
    #20867

    IMO mossberg makes good pumps and thats it.They use too cheap of stuff for the fast firing action. For the right price tho it would probably be worth getting it.

    hooknfinger
    Rochester, Minnesota
    Posts: 1290
    #480244

    IMO mossberg makes good pumps and thats it.They use too cheap of stuff for the fast firing action. For the right price tho it would probably be worth getting it.

    the_grump
    Le Center
    Posts: 612
    #20869

    I had a Mossberg 835 pump, never again, I felt guilty selling it, but I let it go cheap, and told the buyer about the problems. He only planned on using it for turkeys, and one shot should be enough.
    My brother in-law recently purchased the “Russian Remington” and has had no problems, but it hasn’t been tested during a hunting season yet, just some trap shooting this summer.
    I bought a Winchester Super x2 and it has been flawless! Its been thru alot of mud, rain and snow, and never missed a beat.

    the_grump
    Le Center
    Posts: 612
    #480248

    I had a Mossberg 835 pump, never again, I felt guilty selling it, but I let it go cheap, and told the buyer about the problems. He only planned on using it for turkeys, and one shot should be enough.
    My brother in-law recently purchased the “Russian Remington” and has had no problems, but it hasn’t been tested during a hunting season yet, just some trap shooting this summer.
    I bought a Winchester Super x2 and it has been flawless! Its been thru alot of mud, rain and snow, and never missed a beat.

    lenny_jamison
    Bay City , WI
    Posts: 4001
    #20871

    Quote:


    IMO mossberg makes good pumps and thats it.They use too cheap of stuff for the fast firing action. For the right price tho it would probably be worth getting it.


    I would agree. About the only decent Mossberg I’ve used is the old Model 500.

    lenny_jamison
    Bay City , WI
    Posts: 4001
    #480263

    Quote:


    IMO mossberg makes good pumps and thats it.They use too cheap of stuff for the fast firing action. For the right price tho it would probably be worth getting it.


    I would agree. About the only decent Mossberg I’ve used is the old Model 500.

    fish_any_time
    Champlin, MN
    Posts: 2097
    #20878

    Thanks for your replies.

    fish_any_time
    Champlin, MN
    Posts: 2097
    #480280

    Thanks for your replies.

    corey_waller
    hastings mn
    Posts: 1525
    #20885

    check out charles dailey they are decent autoloaders for the money

    corey_waller
    hastings mn
    Posts: 1525
    #480299

    check out charles dailey they are decent autoloaders for the money

    farmboy1
    Mantorville, MN
    Posts: 3668
    #20888

    I used to have a couple of Mossbergs in my younger days. IMO the pumps are a decent gun, but they do tend to wear out faster then a more expensive gun. My opinion on any of the cheaper autoloaders (brand is not important) is they are all decent guns, but most cannot function when put through there true paces, ie field hunting in the mud, ducks in the muck, etc. They just don’t hold up well to continued abuse in these conditions. I have hunted with guys with Rem 1100, 1187, Mossbergs, etc, and they all seem to have the same problems.

    I just got rid of a Browning Gold Hunter for this reason, I just couldn’t trust it. If you want a cheap, reliable gun, I would go with a pump. My favorites are a Remington 870 or a Mossberg 800. Both are easy on the pocketbook, and can be drug behind the truck on the way to the field, and they will still function very well.

    I will say that I use my guns like guns were supposed to be used, hard. During hunting season, they see all the harsh conditions, bad weather, muck, and crap I can throw at them, and I expect them to hold up. Other who don’t use them as hard as I do may not have these problems, but IMO is just not worth it. Buy the best and don’t worry.

    farmboy1
    Mantorville, MN
    Posts: 3668
    #480306

    I used to have a couple of Mossbergs in my younger days. IMO the pumps are a decent gun, but they do tend to wear out faster then a more expensive gun. My opinion on any of the cheaper autoloaders (brand is not important) is they are all decent guns, but most cannot function when put through there true paces, ie field hunting in the mud, ducks in the muck, etc. They just don’t hold up well to continued abuse in these conditions. I have hunted with guys with Rem 1100, 1187, Mossbergs, etc, and they all seem to have the same problems.

    I just got rid of a Browning Gold Hunter for this reason, I just couldn’t trust it. If you want a cheap, reliable gun, I would go with a pump. My favorites are a Remington 870 or a Mossberg 800. Both are easy on the pocketbook, and can be drug behind the truck on the way to the field, and they will still function very well.

    I will say that I use my guns like guns were supposed to be used, hard. During hunting season, they see all the harsh conditions, bad weather, muck, and crap I can throw at them, and I expect them to hold up. Other who don’t use them as hard as I do may not have these problems, but IMO is just not worth it. Buy the best and don’t worry.

    jeweler
    Wisconsin
    Posts: 543
    #20907

    Had 6 out of 8 charles daily’s (sp?) break! Our hunting group bought them at around the same time. One of them actually blew the action apart when one guy shot it. He did not get hurt luckily! The only reason the other 2 did not break was because they traded them off before they did. STAY AWAY FROM THE CHEAP CHARLES DAILEY! I have heard from old timers that the old ones were/are very nice guns. The new ones just do not have the same quality!

    jeweler
    Wisconsin
    Posts: 543
    #480390

    Had 6 out of 8 charles daily’s (sp?) break! Our hunting group bought them at around the same time. One of them actually blew the action apart when one guy shot it. He did not get hurt luckily! The only reason the other 2 did not break was because they traded them off before they did. STAY AWAY FROM THE CHEAP CHARLES DAILEY! I have heard from old timers that the old ones were/are very nice guns. The new ones just do not have the same quality!

    sean-lyons
    Waterloo, IA and Hager City Wi.
    Posts: 674
    #20951

    Grump,
    What problems did you have w/ your 835? I’ve got one for a utility piece, and like Farmboy said, I make it earn its keep. Rain mud sleet snow and thousands of rounds over the last five years (I bought it just as 3 1/2 became affordable) and it’s never missed a step. I’m sure that individual guns have individual problems though, in answer to the original question, I’ve never spoken to anyone who had a good experiece with a Mossberg Semi.

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