Are they aluminuim?? I have some that are Lone Wolf’s I think. I just strap them to the stand throw on the back pack straps and you don’t know they are even there. It’s alot better then the old screw in’s. I only used them at Ripley one year, got them all put in sweating like pig got into the stand looked off about 100 yards and there sat another hunter . Thanks for the friendly whistle buddy ,back down to start all over again.