Vortex 4-16×50 MRAD ffp Scope Report

  • jeff_heeg
    Marshfield WI.
    Posts: 479
    #204955

    Vortex 4-16×50 MRAD ffp Scope Report

    Rifle: Remington 700 SPS Tactical ACC-SD, 308 with the 20” heavy barrel
    Equipped with a 20 MOA base
    Scope: Vortex 4-16×50 MRAD with FFP
    Ammo: Hornady 168 gr A-MAX
    The ammo was kept at a 60 degree temp, +/- versus sitting out in the frigid temps all morning
    Temperature — 0 degrees to 5 above

    With the new rifle ready to hit the range and an opportunity to shoot a 600 yard cold-bore event in a week, my son and I were chomping at the bit to get this new build up and running.

    We have been shooting a Barrett 98B 338 Lapua with Vortex’s 5-20×50 Razor MRAD-EBR3 for about a year now and have been 100% satisfied with the Razor, It’s built like a tank and can take the riggers of being used and abused in the field with the dependability of holding it’s marks. It’s a valid point having a rifle and scope capable of being used and depended on, not pampered yet being spot on down range and serving well and easy to run with.

    The new build

    Yesterday we made a road trip to a range capable of 50 – 600 yards.
    The weather was calm to light winds
    Temperature was running right at 0 to 5 degrees above zero when we were done

    We set up the chronograph and got everything ready. With that we were ready to start sending a few 168s down range. It took 3 rounds to get a zero with a few follow ups to confirm it. Prior to the trip while home I bore sighted the scope to get it close. The method I commonly use is to pull the bolt and sight through the barrel at an target or bright object at roughly 100 yards while seeing the object in the barrel somewhat centered I then dial the crosshairs to the same target, glance through back and forth scope –versus- barrel to confirm it’s very close and then it’s ready for hitting the real thing at the range and for the most part it can surprisingly close.

    Getting your zero at a 100 is fast. For the folks not in the know this is almost as simple. If you have a gun vise holding the gun solid you can do it yourself, otherwise if you have a partner along and you are shooting prone or over a shooting bench, aim your scope at the original aiming point be it a spot or cross hairs on paper typical of a scope target, hold it there and have your partner dial the turrets so that while the gun is rock solid on the original X your cross hairs will move to where the bullet hit on the target. Now send one off and you should be darn close to your aiming point, if not repeat the process to fine tune your zero. Then shoot a couple to confirm.

    After we confirmed our zero, we proceeded to adjust the turret cap “zero stops”, here’s where simple becomes a high priority. Remember we are at an outdoor range and it is 3 degrees above zero for a temp, my dang glasses needed for seeing where fogging up some everything gets very stiff and your fingers in time working bare handed get a little less cooperative. With that we loosened the three allen set screws on the caps with the wrench provided by vortex, I lifted the elevation cap straight up and off – you do not have to take the screws all the way out, just run them out a ways and try lifting straight out. At this time with the PST, I started to add the shims provided adding one opposite of the other while stacking them until I filled the narrow gap, when I had the gap filled I may have been able to get one more in, but it was fairly tight and left it out. Vortex has a great video on their web sight explaining in detail on how to add the zero stop shims if anyone is uneasy about the easy process. At this point I slid the turret cap back on going straight down avoiding turning it, also at this point you are able to have the zero hash mark exactly where you need it, then snug down the three set screws using the short side of the allen wrench to hang on to so you do not over torque the set screws. The vertical is done, they will tell you in the video that you should be able to run past the new zero a bit before you will feel the bottom due to the shimming and then watch your red fiber indicator on top of the turret or your zero hash and dial her back to where you need it, mine ended up being a mil under zero, very solid and easy to run.

    The windage zero turret cap also has three set screws to loosen, and then you are able to pull it out some and find the zero hash mark which is located between the marks heading right versus the marks heading left, line up your zero hash, push it in straight and tighten the screws in the same manner as before.

    Shoot a few to confirm your still set and run your charts and you should be ready to send them off down range.

    We ran our dope and we were able to use the 500 yard backstop. Our verticals were a little hot so we played with the FPS on the speed and got our charts spot on.

    The weather was dam cold and we had batteries dumping on the radios and on the chronograph, I told my son later that we were having a great day for being 0 degrees out and I will say for being that cold the report on the clicks on the turrets for the PST were still sharp maybe not as snappy and crisp as what you get in a little warmer environment but dang good for that temp we had,they still had a sharp report a good thing. Also running the turret up and down on the verticals a bunch as we both did some shooting, the scope functioned very well and repetitive.

    Next week we are off to a 600 yard cold bore event

    After that in a few weeks my son and I will be heading off to Thunder Valley Precision in OH. to see what the limits and what the repeatability may be for the 308 as well as the 338 Lapua. Note from the dope we should be close to 1400 with the 308, after everything was set we had 16 mils of useable vertical lift in the turret and 9 mils of hash marks in the scope thus 25 mils of vertical past zero.

    So far the PST proves to be just like the Razor in performance just in a smaller package and defiantly a smaller bill.

    hooknfinger
    Rochester, Minnesota
    Posts: 1290
    #101269

    As always, Nice write up Jeff. Cant wait to get out and do some shooting with my new rig once its setup. Good luck at the event.

    walleye1274
    Chippewa Falls, WI
    Posts: 515
    #101328

    Great report Jeff!! I just ordered a 6 x 24 FFP MRAD for my 700 tactical. I followed some of your advise from over on the HIDE. What stock do you have on your tactical? That is my next big decision.

    jeff_heeg
    Marshfield WI.
    Posts: 479
    #101339

    Quote:


    Great report Jeff!! I just ordered a 6 x 24 FFP MRAD for my 700 tactical. I followed some of your advise from over on the HIDE. What stock do you have on your tactical? That is my next big decision.


    Here you are

    http://www.bellandcarlson.com/

    This is the stock that I have on the Remington 700 SPS Tactical ACC-SD

    Medalist Remington Varmint/Tactical

    I also added a Karsten adjustable cheek piece

    The adjustable cheek weld piece, a very easy and a clean setup.

    Note I see that the link takes you to their main web site, look to the left and click on the 3 models of adjustable cheek pieces

    http://karstenskydexcheekrest.com/

    Another nice stock from Bell & Carlson

    Medalist Remington Varmint/Tactical (adjustable stock)

    Hope this helps

    Any questions ask away

    Jeff

    walleye1274
    Chippewa Falls, WI
    Posts: 515
    #101402

    Jeff,
    I had been looking closely at the B&C stocks. Thanks for the info, I just ordered one in Olive with the black web. I will probably wait on the raised cheek piece until I get everything mounted and figure out what I need. Did you bed your stock at all?

    jeff_heeg
    Marshfield WI.
    Posts: 479
    #101428

    The Bell Carlson Medalist stock is of high quality and tolerances; one of my best friends checked it for a clean fit and then assembled. We didn’t do anything special bedding steps at this point, so far the build shows exceptional accuracy out to 500 yards. We will see if any additional steps will be necessary.

    I am very impressed with the build so far, the next few weeks will be a good test of accuracy and repeatability as well as its limits

    Jeff

    life1978
    Eau Claire , WI
    Posts: 2790
    #101445

    Didn’t know some many here where on Hide. If your ever in the LeSueuer area, we have access to 1000 yrd range.

    jeff_heeg
    Marshfield WI.
    Posts: 479
    #101695

    Quote:


    Didn’t know some many here where on Hide. If your ever in the LeSueuer area, we have access to 1000 yrd range.


    Thanks for the invite.

    Jeff

    les_welch
    Posts: 1007
    #101896

    Thanks for all the info Jeff, can’t wait to get this gun up and built, so I can start shooting. Great posts on the Hide also.

    Thanks for the offer life.

    walleye1274
    Chippewa Falls, WI
    Posts: 515
    #102403

    Life1978,
    Thanks for the offer!! My in laws live in the Mankato area, so I am in that neck of the woods every once in a while. I may take you up on it! Thanks again.

    life1978
    Eau Claire , WI
    Posts: 2790
    #102556

    My parents live in LeSueur so we’re down there quite often on the weekends.

    Brad Juaire
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 6101
    #102703

    Thank you Jeff for your detailed Vortex scope report. A lot of good information in it!

    jeff_heeg
    Marshfield WI.
    Posts: 479
    #102746

    Thunder Valley Precision Trip and PST scope report

    For quite a while now I have been surfing the web to locate a place where I

    could shoot and excel in my skill level. Around home we are able to shoot

    and compete out to 880 yards. So I was glad to have a place that we could

    shoot 1200 yards and beyond.

    I spoke with Tom Sarver from TVP and then geared up for the trip. The best thing

    was my 24 year old son wanted to come and shoot also, so we could shoot as

    partners!

    We arrived, had our meet and greet, and discussed what was to be

    accomplished. Tom has an agenda but yet he tries to gear it towards what

    the individual’s goals are. I could tell from the first moment, from what

    was seen as far as the range and shooting stations and Tom’s demeanor, that

    we were in for a great time.

    After checking over the equipment, we confirmed our zeros. Then it was off

    to the 200 – 1200 yard range. We made a log book that showed the intended

    verticals to use, as well as any corrections. We then logged the correct

    settings and set out to test them, as well as our skills, on the intimidator

    range. There were four positions with four targets each. The targets were

    all set up on mini-mountains and across valleys with challenging

    crosswinds. Talk about fine-tuning your setup, shooting form, and logging

    notes throughout the day. You couldn’t ask for a more perfect setup.

    Within the two days at TVP, we shot the Intimidator three times, each with

    different weather patterns – winds, overcast, sun and more wind! A ton of

    info was gathered while shooting the rounds and repeating them in the

    varying conditions.

    Technically, we gained more knowledge as precision shooters in two days than

    anyone back home could gain in years of shooting. Tom also took the time to

    cover any type of questions thrown out, be it shooting, gun builds, load

    development, and reloading.

    The bottom line is that we left knowing our equipment was 100% and our skill

    levels were excelled from what we expected.

    Dustin was able to make first shot hits at times on 12”x12” steel plates all the way out to 1165 fairly easy, this was very impressive for the 308 some of his farthest shots were out to 1200 yards. Dustin ended up working the 4-16×50 PST ffp scope very well, the scope got a workout being cranked up and down to many different verticals with around 200 rounds fired at a wide spread of mixed up distances, We were very happy with the performance of the scope and it was a perfect match for the Remington 308 SPS ACC rifle with a 20 moa base

    The farthest I shot out to, was a target at 3050 yards I will state this I would not want to be on the receiving end because of the 5 shots fired at this distance it was scary accurate to not want to be the intended target.

    We had a 1,600 mile trip and it was worth it. I’m looking forward to coming

    back to experience what Thunder Valley Precision has to offer again.

    Equipment used

    Barrett 98B 338 Lapua – 5-20×50 Vortex Razor Scope

    Remington 308 – 700 SPS ACC – 4-16×50 Vortex PST Scope

    http://thundervalleyprecision.com/testimonial/

    As stated, I will attend again; this is a top notch training and competition facility.

    walleye1274
    Chippewa Falls, WI
    Posts: 515
    #102773

    Jeff, that sounds like an awesome trip!! I am very jealous. I am still working on my rifle and waiting for the Viper PST to arrive. I hope to start learning the long distance game then. Thanks again for the great write up!!

    Brad Juaire
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 6101
    #102840

    Wow! It sounds like the trip was more than you could ever expect. Thanks for the report Jeff and I’m guessing the best thing about it was you were able to enjoy it with your son.

    life1978
    Eau Claire , WI
    Posts: 2790
    #102850

    I’d say jealious but that wouldn’t cover it. I gotta get the lil bro to road trip there with me sometime. Sounds totally awsome!!

    jeff_heeg
    Marshfield WI.
    Posts: 479
    #102932

    Quote:


    I’d say jealious but that wouldn’t cover it. I gotta get the lil bro to road trip there with me sometime. Sounds totally awsome!!




    I hoping to make another trip maybe sometime in June or so and shoot the Intimidator competition round, I figure a person could leave either Thursday night and do a little shooting on Friday – shoot the Intimidator event on Saturday and be back home on Sunday.

    Or just leave Friday morning early arrive in Cambridge OH. get a room and some sleep shoot the event on Saturday and be home on Sunday.

    A bunch of us could hook up and go together to break up the trip a little.

    If this is a possibility lets discuss.

    The Intimidator – 2 man team event

    Amount of ammo needed for the Intimidator

    Minimum count of 16 for a perfect score, possible but tough, nobodies done it yet, I think there’s a $1000.00 for the first person that cleans the event if I remember right.

    Maximum count (3 rounds per 12”x12” target) 48 rounds

    A brief explanation of the TVP Intimidator Round

    2 man teams

    Four different positions with four targets, in the mini mountains, reminds me a lot of Buffalo County WI. as far as terrain type.

    Targets – 12”x12” steel plates – swing when hit and the ping heard from as far as reports, It’s AWESOME to hear a hit!

    Shot in the prone position off of vantage points 2 shooters (team) at a time side by side. Left side shooter fires first with partner spotting hits and calling corrections if needed. The shooter has only three chances to hit the steel then shooter two fires and shooter one spots and calls corrections. Same rules again only a maximum of three tries.

    Note: the team has eight minutes for both members to hit their four intended targets each. So you can gain bonus points if you clean the targets in I believe five minutes or less. Stating this the second shooter who is spotting for the first should be ready to fire after (the partner hits his target – keep in mind a may be swinging some yet OR if your partner has used his third and last attempt. The clock is ticking you need to attempt and execute the target, look at your dope or notes adjust your scope, settle in and repeat until all four targets are done. Official Score keeper is present to score every team.

    To be honest with it Don’t rush yourself be smooth and have your ammo at a easy reach as well as your index cards with your info on so everything flows and you should be cool, folks will run out of time here and there but stay focused on having fun and the fact that the course alone will be humbling to shoot.

    When everyone that is shooting the event is done they move to the next position. A good thing it allows the new folks to see how the seasoned partners move and work as a team. So bring your binoculars (the bino’s will help for watching other team’s hits and locating the targets before it’s your turn) and lawn chair and kick back for a great time. The great part about this course is no two shots are the same each position or vantage point gives you a whole new angle and view point as well as targets from a different bluff or mini mountain.

    Notes for the positions on the TVP Intimidator Course

    Positions and yardage for course

    Pos 1) 563, 950, 1165, 938

    Pos 2) 552,892,674,795

    Pos 3) 276, 366, 587, 1048

    Pos 4) 570,499,704, 586

    I have 4 index cards that are clipped together so I can rotate them and the heavy clip acts as a weight if windy. I keep them in my green ammo box

    My cards are marked one position for each card

    Here is an example of one of my Index cards.

    Position 1

    Yardage —- my Turret setting

    563 ————– 2.7 mils

    950 ————– 6.5

    1165 ————- 9.1

    938 ————– 6.4

    Cost for none members I believe is $30.00 to shoot the course for the day

    Just some info

    Jeff

    Any questions ask away

    jeff_heeg
    Marshfield WI.
    Posts: 479
    #103007

    An in depth report on the Vortex PST 4-16×50 ffp MRAD as promised

    A little update on the Vortex PST

    Dustin was able to make first shot hits at times on 12”x12” steel plates all the way out to 1165 fairly easy, this was very impressive for the 308 some of his farthest shots were out to 1200 yards. Dustin ended up working the 4-16×50 PST ffp scope very well, the scope got a workout being cranked up and down to many different verticals with around 200 rounds fired at a wide spread of mixed up distances, We were very happy with the performance of the scope and it was a perfect match for the Remington 308 SPS AAC rifle with a 20 moa base

    As far as conditions and use to this point,

    As stated at the beginning of this thread, we set up the PST and the zero stop in 0 to 5 degree temps, that day the scope was run up and down from 100 yards to 500 yards with both of us shooting.

    The next bunch of rounds were fired at 600 yards and in a temp range of 25 degrees

    The most recent use of the PST was last week at Thunder Valley Precision.
    Close to 200 rounds were fired
    Rounds included
    Confirming Zeros
    Running the range from 200 to 1200 yards to confirm dope

    We then shot the complete Intimidator course three times while there, and all marks held true, and the last round even the windage turret got a workout.
    Yardages dialed on the Intimidator were per round

    Pos 1) 563, 950, 1165,938
    Pos 2) 552,892,674,795
    Pos 3) 276, 366, 587, 1048
    Pos 4) 570,499,704,586

    To date we are very happy with the accuracy, tracking, and clarity of the PST 4-16×50 ffp
    It has served well been bounced around a little and used in extreme cold to 50+ degree weather, wet and dry and has been spot on without any issues, It’s dang near as nice as my Razor and a heck of a lot cheaper. I can’t turn it into a Razor but it’s not far off and it’s defiantly priced right for what the shooter is going to get out of it.

    Jeff

    life1978
    Eau Claire , WI
    Posts: 2790
    #103082

    By that time I should be in Eau Claire and closer

    hooknfinger
    Rochester, Minnesota
    Posts: 1290
    #111197

    I Finally got out to shoot my .300 Remington Ultra Mag with my vortex 4-16×50 MRAD FFP scope and let me tell you its better then Jeff has explained. If anyone is thinking about getting a new scope these scopes are worth their weight in gold, it took 4 shots to get the scope dialed into the 2 inch ring and anthor 2 to be hitting sub moa groups at 100 yards. The glass is crisp and clear couldnt ask for more of a scope in the price range that these scopes are in.

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #111200

    What kind of price point are these scopes in? Swaro/Leica or are we talking more of Burris/Bushnell range?

    hooknfinger
    Rochester, Minnesota
    Posts: 1290
    #111217

    800 ish if i remember right. I own some nikon monarchs and the 300 extra dollars for the vortex is nothing when you look through the glass. Let me know if you ever wanna check it out. I get around the state a lot

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