Hubbard County/Belle Taine Lake Property Owner E-Mail AIS Funding Sources

Buzz wrote:

Boat inspections are a good way to stop the spread of AIS, whether you do it yourself or have it done by an inspector. We still need more folks to “Get It”. I’d like to see a show of hands, of those who have said something to someone at a ramp about their being more lawful? I continue to see folks arriving and driving away with a trailer loaded with weeds. Others haven’t even heard of the pull your drain plug laws. If I see some of this, I’ve walked over and had a conversation with them. How many have done the same?

Yep, I think we should have a boat inspector at EVERY public landing on all 10,000+ lakes 24 hours a day. This will stop the spread I am sure!

I have had your conversation you are talking about but just to inform the person in the parking lot help save them the price of a ridiculous ticket!

http://www.brainerddispatch.com/news/3913745-crow-wing-county-board-wapoa-limit-boat-landing-hours-approves-2016-ais-prevention-plan

They are not giving up limiting access….

Brian Klawitter wrote:

Also you’re assuming that I think zebra mussels are bad.

(I hope this doesn’t come off as confrontational because that is not how I mean it…) Brian, it really doesn’t matter that you enjoy these things in our lakes n’ rivers. The law says they are bad (as do 90% of boaters and cabin owners (my figure nothing to back it with )). Buzz you and I need to have a beer because our thoughts on this are the same. It continues to boggle my mind on why people have an issue with pulling a freaking plug. Is it hard to do? People just don’t like Big Brother telling them what to do. Plain n’ simple. (OK, kinda’ does sound confrontational once I read it back but heck I’ll stick with it… ) RR

No problem RR. We all have our opinions.

It is the law and as noted, I just don’t take my boat into MN.
Heck last year I resorted to buying fuel on the river (at the casino) to avoid going into MN.

I just love what the Zebs have done to Erie, the Mississippi and the St Croix.

Happy New Year!

Happy New Years to you and yours also…RR

roosterrouster wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Brian Klawitter wrote:</div>
Also you’re assuming that I think zebra mussels are bad.

(I hope this doesn’t come off as confrontational because that is not how I mean it…) Brian, it really doesn’t matter that you enjoy these things in our lakes n’ rivers. The law says they are bad (as do 90% of boaters and cabin owners (my figure nothing to back it with )). Buzz you and I need to have a beer because our thoughts on this are the same. It continues to boggle my mind on why people have an issue with pulling a freaking plug. Is it hard to do? People just don’t like Big Brother telling them what to do. Plain n’ simple. (OK, kinda’ does sound confrontational once I read it back but heck I’ll stick with it… ) RR

RR, not trying to confrontational but I think the biggest problem that most seem to have on the “pulling the freaking plug” AIS issue is #1) dollars spent VS poor to “0” positive results. How much money should “We” the tax payers spend? #2) The Lake Associations Agenda to limit or close access to PUBLIC, “not their lake”, waters. IMHO

Mocha…All I am addressing is the pulling of the plug. Not a ton of tax payer dollars spent on bending over and pulling on a medal/rubber object and letting water flow out for 5 or 10 seconds…

roosterrouster wrote:

Mocha…All I am addressing is the pulling of the plug. Not a ton of tax payer dollars spent on bending over and pulling on a medal/rubber object and letting water flow out for 5 or 10 seconds…

I agree for most boats but not all.

Gary Korsgaden wrote:

Belle Taine is one lake labeled at a high risk for getting AIS. The Belle Taine Lake Assc wants to step up the effort.
Here is what this property owner thought would be a way to generate more funds.

1) Charge $5.00 with every fishing license.
2) Resorts with private launch ramps, pay for inspectors.
3) Every fishing tournament participant pay $10.00 a event for inspectors.
4) Charge $5.00 with every watercraft license (don’t know if he means to the already existing fees)
5) If inspector isn’t present close the access

I see a lot of holes in this thinking that are directed solely at people wanting to access the lake via public access. This doesn’t sound like there is an issue with invasives whatever but , more to the point, that the association wants to have the lake only to themselves.

#’s 1 and 4 already have fees included in licensing to cover invasives with the proceeds being distributed fairly across the state.

#3….let the tournament provide its own inspector. From what I have seen in this corner of the state a blind man could do a better and more diligent job at the ramps.

#2….resorts with private accesses should be offered [required maybe] a seminar or class used to teach the inspectors that we see today. Classes could be done in an evening or two during the winter or other off-season period and maybe re-educate the inspectors every other year. Resorts need a healthy lake to survive business-wise and work hard to have one. And keep the cost of this class very, very low. What do the inspector wanna-be’s pay for the class. Try that amount.

#5. Take this one step further. If no inspector is available for public use, close the lake to all surface use until such time that an inspector is available. Fair is fair, eh?

If this group really was interested in addressing the issues, we’d see in their proposal some wording concerning lakeshore inhabitants responsibilities in curbing invasives and just what THEY are going to assume as their responsibility: perhaps we’d see voluntary removal of personal launch sites on their properties where coming and going without any inspection can be done…. [or maybe the non-residents on those lakes should ask for get some legislation requiring removal of all private, non-business related, launching facilities BEFORE ANY invasives prevention be started on that particular lake or any lake for that matter]. And to narrow this down to the aforementioned property owner who wants to generate funds….just where has he indicated what HE is going to ante up?

Every time I see one of these “association” threads I just shake my head. They seem to be after anglers in every regard but they certainly don’t seem interested in giving up anything themselves. The very first thing this DNR of ours should make very clear to these groups when they are contacted by them that this is PUBLIC water and that if any rule is applied at any level that will hinder an angler’s access to that lake, it will also equally hinder those who have homes on that water. All of these “fees” that are suggested here….just who is going to end up using them? This particular lake’s tribesmen? If these people aren’t into it with money up front to give to the DNR to do their work, then they sure as heck don’t need to try and stiff the anglers.

RR, just because it’s a law doesn’t mean it’s correct. In many’s opinion it’s not about the law and what it’s trying to do. It’s about it being absolutely a worthless law. It can’t stop or even slow AIS any more then prohibition could stop drinking. In addition the money being poured down the drain, both taxpayer money and the DNR’s resources both monetary and and personnel is a boondoggle with no hope of ending.

Taxing won’t work, never has, never will. Sometimes the government just needs to admit cork is out of the bottle and there isn’t any hope of getting it put back in.

If you have any doubt drive up to International Falls on any given summer weekend. Note the amount of boats crossing in & out of Canada. Note where they are from. You can’t stop this stuff. Hundreds of boats cross every week and I’ll bet not 10 have ever been inspected.

But, the issue is a good talker and a good way to to scare the general public into limiting access on public waters.

We have seen so far lake groups using AIS to stop, prevent or slow the following.

1) Stop a already successful musky stocking program or expansion there of.
2) Stop or slow public access improvements on a number of lakes in the state
3) Close secondary access’s in the state.
4) Limit tournaments
5) Discourage lake hopping or fishing several lakes in one day
6) Not to mention disruptive behavior at township meetings as a example.

Did I miss anything.

Tom Sawvell wrote:

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Every time I see one of these “association” threads I just shake my head. They seem to be after anglers in every regard but they certainly don’t seem interested in giving up anything themselves. The very first thing this DNR of ours should make very clear to these groups when they are contacted by them that this is PUBLIC water and that if any rule is applied at any level that will hinder an angler’s access to that lake, it will also equally hinder those who have homes on that water. All of these “fees” that are suggested here….just who is going to end up using them? This particular lake’s tribesmen? If these people aren’t into it with money up front to give to the DNR to do their work, then they sure as heck don’t need to try and stiff the anglers.

I think this one person’s opinion from a lake association shouldn’t be viewed as the opinion of all lake association members. About 6 or 7 years ago I was launching on Little Sand Lake (just a few miles and connected to Belle Taine) and there were a handful of lake association members there doing their own awareness about AIS, with pamphlets that they made themselves. They were very friendly and didn’t come off as aggressive in the least bit. I was quite impressed in their own association’s efforts and volunteering their time to spread awareness in a very friendly manner.

blank wrote:

there were a handful of lake association members there doing their own awareness about AIS, with pamphlets that they made themselves. They were very friendly and didn’t come off as aggressive in the least bit.

And that’s just great. The person in this scenario had nothing but $$$ signs stuck all over anglers. I pay no attention to even well meaning association anything if they haven’t got themselves listed right there with all of their other supposed culprits. And if they don’t show where they are putting their money where their mouth is, the door closes completely.

And “blank”…..my name and hometown are right there where people can see them. Why don’t you edit yours so we know who blank is and where you live?

Dutch, your opinion: worthless law. Mine says it is a very worthwhile law that does not ask a ton out of people. Pull your plug. If there is AIS in the bottom of your boat it (hopefully) will drain out so the next lake does not get infected. It’s probably one of the easiest laws on the books (with NO tax payer expense) and for some, not very hard to understand. By you saying you can’t stop the stuff that again is your opinion. I for one say we can try…

Absolutely you can try and stop it. However, we will cure cancer and the common cold before you stop the spread of AIS by pulling your plug.

For clarity…….I don’t oppose people doing what they can do, I just think they are peeing against the wind.

Dutchboy wrote:

For clarity…….I don’t oppose people doing what they can do, I just think they are peeing against the wind

…and don’t force the bs laws on me.

You’re backtrolling on an infested lake, waves splash over the transom, you leave cuz it’s too windy, you head over to a small nearby lake to get out of the wind and you don’t pull the plug, you then run the bilge and dump all that water from the infested lake into the uninfested lake. But that’s ok because it’s a bogus law and that lake will becoming infested anyway? I just don’t get it.

Brian Klawitter wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Dutchboy wrote:</div>
For clarity…….I don’t oppose people doing what they can do, I just think they are peeing against the wind

…and don’t force the bs laws on me.

So says you! I say the 25mph (got a tix for going 28mph (yes 28!)) law that I see in teeny tiny Wisconsin towns is more BS than the taking 5 seconds to pull a plug law! The fleecing of America at it’s best! RR

There are a lot of them out there aren’t there?

Prescott?

Ummmm, lets see here. If pulling the plug on my boat will stop the spread of AIS…………..

Then RR pulling a couple of plug wires on your motor will slow you enough to not get a speeding ticket.

See, there isn’t any problem we can’t solve here!

Brian Klawitter wrote:

There are a lot of them out there aren’t there?

Prescott?

Fond Du Lac…He saw my Mn plates and I don’t think he liked my wise crack about the Pack/Cards game…