How much ammo should we stock?

  • stillakid2
    Roberts, WI
    Posts: 4603
    #2176000

    Just thinking about these cycles of ammo shortages that have crept into our existence. My dad taught me as a pup that ammo never goes down so grab some on sale and stock up. Never come into a season surprised. Have what you need for next year, this year, just in case something changes.
    I’d never seen anything like it is now, but his wisdom still applies.
    So, I’m curious to know what you good people think a guy should have on hand “at all times.” How much ammo do you like to have on hand, minimum, on any given day/year.

    I’ll be the first to stick my ridiculous neck out.

    After the Sandy Hook shortages, I raised my numbers to this:

    Shotgun – 250rds per gauge, per shot size desired.
    Rimfire – 1,000rds per chambering.
    Centerfire – 200rds per chambering.
    Handgun Target – 1,000rds per chambering (per gun if multiples exist).
    Handgun Defense – 200rds per chambering (per gun if multiples exist).

    If I were a loader, these are still the numbers I’d build and maintain because by these numbers, it’s the equivalent of having 1 box per application, per year, per decade. So far, the droughts have not lasted a full decade and I can get through them without sacrificing either need or extra money from price gouging.

    It took me 3-3.5 years to build this up and the maintenance has been easy because I only have to replace what I shoot. As I approach retirement, I will begin letting the stash thin at 70 and stop replacing what I shoot. With any luck, I’ll die before I run out. If bad news comes early, fire sale!

    grpubl7
    Central WI
    Posts: 261
    #2176006

    Have never been an ammo hoarder, even when I owned a bunch of C-III subguns. I do have enough components to load about 2000 rds of 223 ammo, 1000 rds of 30 Carbine. a couple 100 rds of hunting rifle ammo and 1000 rds of 9mm ammo. Have 2000rds of 22LR ammo and have had for 20+ years. Some of my components are getting a fair amount of dust on them, but they are stored cool/dry. I will likely croak before I use these up.

    If average John Q Hunter is looking to buy some ammo “just in case”….100 rds for their hunting rifle is more than they would likely burn up in 5 or 10 years, possibly longer.

    Youbetcha
    Anoka County
    Posts: 2831
    #2176011

    Buy cheap stack deep.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11589
    #2176054

    Are we talking regular times or for the coming apocalypse? rotflol For regular times I’d say enough for a season or two of hunting, and for B it depends on your skills with a samurai sword or crossbow as backup (Walking Dead reference)… rotflol

    maddogg
    Posts: 414
    #2176066

    Buy cheap stack deep.

    This is almost impossible now days.By this I mean the buy “cheap part”.

    Youbetcha
    Anoka County
    Posts: 2831
    #2176083

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Carter Johnson wrote:</div>
    Buy cheap stack deep.

    This is almost impossible now days.By this I mean the buy “cheap part”.

    Theres some good deals out there still. Check out ammo seek sometime. I can find 9mm for under 20cpr pretty easily.

    buckybadger
    Upper Midwest
    Posts: 8141
    #2176122

    I’m not a hoarder by any means. I know some people who have a few hundred firearms and measure their ammo stock by the x10k.

    I’ve probably got 1000 rounds of .22lr, 250 rounds of 9mm, 250 of .380, a couple hundred of .357, a couple boxes each of 30-06, 30-30, and .270wsm that I keep as a bare minimum, and a dozen boxes of 12 gauge target loads on hand. Other assorted 1-2 box quantities that are rattling around the safe would be goose loads, shotgun slugs (hunt mainly rifle).

    I don’t shoot or hunt nearly as much as I used to, but I keep enough around that if I want to do something I can go do so (and bring my nephew or friends who many not have their own supply).

    I probably only purchase ammo a couple times a year to restock what I shot if I find it on sale. If it’s absurd pricing, I don’t bother. I don’t think an apocalypse is coming, nor do I think I’ll be taking up arms for WWIII from my basement.

    mark-bruzek
    Two Harbors, MN
    Posts: 3863
    #2176124

    My personal goal is 3-5K for pistols,.22,556 and shotguns.
    500 for my hunting rifles.

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17296
    #2176186

    Hunting ammo I don’t have piles of, mostly because I’m very specific about what I use and I can’t find it regularly anymore. I generally only take 2 shots per deer season: one at the range and another to shoot a deer, so a box of 20 will last me quite a while. Same with turkey shot, just two shots per season (if I’m lucky).

    Pheasant ammo has been pretty hard to come by. I have about 3 boxes but I am always on the look out for more of it.

    I have probably 500 rounds of 9mm for pistol range shooting and over 1000 rounds of .22LR for plinking.

    I don’t own a lot of guns, I’m not really trying to stock pile the ammo, and I don’t do a lot of recreational shooting, so there’s really no reason fro me to build up a stash of it.

    breakerbreaker
    Inactive
    Posts: 180
    #2176196

    depends on the size of the bunker rotflol

    Pailofperch
    Central Mn North of the smiley water tower
    Posts: 2918
    #2177124

    If the wife doesn’t question if you really need that much ammo, then you don’t have enough!!!

    I’ll never get accused of having to little, and usually get called from every relative and friend, and their friends come hunting seasons when they can’t find what they need at a store.
    Same as most, guns that shoot fast I like to have more available ammo. I love to shoot with the kids, especially hunting rifles. So 40+ rounds per person for their calibers is necessary just for shooting practice.
    We’ve been going through 200-300 round of .243 each year for many years, and you couldn’t hardly find it on a shelf. Still don’t find it often. But I had enough stockpiled that we didn’t have to stop enjoying using the guns.
    When I find a caliber or gauge I use at a good/great price, I buy it. waytogo

    stillakid2
    Roberts, WI
    Posts: 4603
    #2178001

    I don’t consider myself a hoarder. I’ve never cleaned off a shelf or took a whole case being stocked. I’ve done a fair amount of online purchasing because the deals were too good to pass up, but most often, I simply looked at my paycheck, and bought some ammo with a small percentage of it. On sale was best.

    I hope to do a lot of recreational shooting later in life. I’ve learned that when ammo is properly cared for, it’ll last as long as you want it too. So, seeing shotgun target ammo at $10/bx now, I’m glad I’m currently shooting ammo that cost $3/bx, and I’ll be using ammo that cost less than $4/bx for years because of the stocking plan. Granted, it’s only a cost savings if I use it. I understand.

    I am also a person that owns more than 3 long guns and a shorty. I mean, 5 safes… I’ll let that paint a picture. Reason? Just variety. Options. I enjoy different things for different applications, experiences, or even thrills! I have no apocalypse expectations or end of the world fears. Things go bad, they can still go bad, but I’m not worried about the end of days. At all. This is all about long-term cost and hoping I can afford to do it late in life without rolling my eyes because I never thought I’d have to pay $100/bx to hunt or $50/bx to shoot. For some chamberings, this is a reality already.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11612
    #2178559

    Between myself and my trapshooting kids, we just shoot too much to be able to stockpile our way out of panic-induced shortages when it comes to shotgun ammo. I’m going to actually count this year, but I suspect that we’ll be over 25 cases of shotgun shells shot even before the end of the summer with 2 kids and myself, so realistically I would need I suppose 75-100 CASES of shotgun shells to be able to outlast an ammo panic like we saw over the past 3 years. It’s just not feasible to have that much ammo stacked around, so I guess I just hope we don’t see this across the board panic any time soon.

    With rifles, during these ammo panics, what gets me is not needing rifle ammo for my own use and being unable to get it. Between finished ammo and reloading components on the shelves, I have decades of hunting and shooting ammo available without buying anything.

    What I hate is the lack of flexibility and inability to help out friends and relatives and just experiment with my own rifles. When we’re in the midst of these big ammo panic-buying sprees, it’s not what I need to keep hunting that’s the problem. It’s that I can’t develop new loads, I sometimes can’t help friends develop a load for a special gun or trip, etc.

    stillakid2
    Roberts, WI
    Posts: 4603
    #2178638

    What I hate is the lack of flexibility and inability to help out friends and relatives and just experiment with my own rifles. When we’re in the midst of these big ammo panic-buying sprees, it’s not what I need to keep hunting that’s the problem. It’s that I can’t develop new loads, I sometimes can’t help friends develop a load for a special gun or trip, etc.

    I know your trap situation is an exception to what I’ve done. Competition shooting is a whole other animal. I mean… pallets!
    I like this last paragraph because, while I’m not as in-depth as a hand loader, I like being able to help others as well. If I have it, I can help. When the shortage/supply swings back around, replace if necessary.
    Two gun-deer seasons ago, an ex-brother-in-law asked if I happened to have any 7mm-08 because he had no idea a shortage had resurfaced. I had 100rds, 40 of which were exactly what he had hoped to find. Price gouging was everywhere and he offered me $70/box. I said, “No, just replace both boxes when the supply comes back.” He about dropped his phone. About 8mos later, he had already returned 20rds, but showed up with the second box.

    This is how I buy their love! Ha-ha! But to be honest, I like that I’ve become “that guy” in their minds. They call me. They come to me. They know I’ll take care of them in the fairest way possible… IF I can. From 22LR to .410, 7mm-08, .30-06, .30-30, to 20ga sabots… It’s been a busy two years!

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18605
    #2178677

    I feel like I should have more 9mm to stay battle ready, whatever that means, but I just dont shoot much anymore. Hardly at all. So I just keep a healthy supply of everything but I dont stockpile it.

    KPE
    River Falls, WI
    Posts: 1645
    #2185081

    As much as reasonably possible when taking into consideration your pastimes, emergency preparations, storage capability and budget.

    ajw
    Posts: 519
    #2185117

    I feel like I should have more 9mm to stay battle ready, whatever that means, but I just dont shoot much anymore. Hardly at all. So I just keep a healthy supply of everything but I dont stockpile it.

    Your pistol is secondary or to buy you time until you get to a rifle )

    Stay proficient in both

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22432
    #2185153

    I don’t have any.

    Coletrain27
    Posts: 4789
    #2185198

    This sounds like a question somebody from the ATF would ask

    stillakid2
    Roberts, WI
    Posts: 4603
    #2185243

    This sounds like a question somebody from the ATF would ask

    Oh gee… guess I’ve been revealed. Whatever shall I do now to continue with all my diabolical scheming? coffee doah

    ajw
    Posts: 519
    #2185268

    Nothing to see here

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    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11612
    #2185439

    Related to how much ammo should you stock would be “at what price?”.

    Youth trap season is coming and of then summer trap for me. I’ve been looking around at some of the mail-order places and I see even well-known brands like Federal are below $9 a box for the lowest price offerings.

    Federal Top Gun – 1 oz 1300 fps for $8.79.

    These are internet prices, so of course, shipping and tax will increase the price. In quantities of 10 flats, including shipping and tax, I’m looking at about $9.75 per box.

    Not great, but better than the best deal I could find last year by a significant margin. But my point is that these are the lowest prices and there is more available brands and loads than I have seen in 3 years.

    I have also seen multiple sites have dropped their per-order limits on target loads. So the supply must be getting better.

    breakerbreaker
    Inactive
    Posts: 180
    #2185454

    enough to fill the basement

    Youbetcha
    Anoka County
    Posts: 2831
    #2185469

    Well get ready for another run on ammo. And magazines over 10 rounds. Pretty crazy bill introduced recently banning mags over 10 rounds. A registry of all transfers, assault weapons ban, and a bunch of others.

    Brittman
    Posts: 1940
    #2188325

    I think the craze is dying down dramatically. Everytime I walk into MFF they have several brands of target shotgun shells in 12 and 20. Priced very competitive too.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11612
    #2188375

    I think the craze is dying down dramatically. Everytime I walk into MFF they have several brands of target shotgun shells in 12 and 20. Priced very competitive too.

    Yes, the online places I buy bulk trap loads from are for the first time in 3 years, fully stocked with EVERYTHING. Winchester AA, Remington STS, Federal, all the premium stuff you couldn’t get for years is now there.

    I just bought 20 flats of shells online for less than $9 a box delivered. First time in years that I’ve even seen that quantity available much less with no limit on cases AND below $10 a box.

    ganderpike
    Alexandria
    Posts: 1095
    #2188384

    Between Fargo Scheels and local Walmarts, I Bought 10 cases of 1 1/8 oz 7.5 shot for $85. Either Top Gun or Fiochi. Can’t seem to find any CCI large pistol primers on shelves.

    stillakid2
    Roberts, WI
    Posts: 4603
    #2189640

    I think the craze is dying down dramatically. Everytime I walk into MFF they have several brands of target shotgun shells in 12 and 20. Priced very competitive too.

    I’m going to keep an eye on things for a bit yet, just for curiosity sake. While the isles are fuller than they’ve been in a while, I’m noticing my local Fleet Farm is not replenishing the 22lr very quickly and the 9mm section is becoming sparce. Certain hunting rounds are still struggling as well. Also seeing that prices are going up on many centerfire rounds by $2-$5/box.

    Coletrain27
    Posts: 4789
    #2189652

    Was at rochester scheels today and they were well stocked on pretty much everything. They even had a lot of 410 shells

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