How many have had a bad cold or the Flu recently.

My wife and I have stayed relatively healthy despite us working straight through all of this chaos (me in a lumberyard and in a school, her in a hospital). Cases and exposures are the daily norm, but we’ve either been lucky or likely caught stuff and were asymptomatic.

Our daughter has caught some bugs along the way from other young kids that visit, but nothing that I’d consider out of the ordinary. I did however get the opportunity to catch vomit at 2:35am this morning from my daughter who insisted on eating a bunch of cookies she made with grandma yesterday! That’s about the most of an illness we’ve dealt with.

Deuces wrote:

You seriously think if there was a product available for big pharma that didn’t replace or hurt sales of another drug/vaccine, that they wouldnt be on top of that pushing it like they do everything else?

That’s the thing about money, it stays true.

The problem is that some of the possible treatments that may work for treating covid would hurt the Big Pharma that in involved with the current vaccine’s. Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson and Johnson would lose a ton of Money if any of the possible treatments were tested and found to be effective. You have any idea how much money companies like Pfizer and Johnson and Johnson pump into political campaigns each election. Approval on these vaccines may be the payback for that

fishthumper wrote:

The problem is that some of the possible treatments that may work for treating covid would hurt the Big Pharma that in involved with the current vaccine’s. Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson and Johnson would lose a ton of Money if any of the possible treatments were tested and found to be effective. You have any idea how much money companies like Pfizer and Johnson and Johnson pump into political campaigns each election. Approval on these vaccines may be the payback for that

Ivermectin (Merck) and hydroxychloroquine (Pfizer) are literally made by big pharma. The thought that vaccine manufacturers are somehow disincentivize the use of other drugs they make themselves to promote something proven highly effective and safe is outrageous.

Merck literally discontinued their development of their vaccine to focus on therapeutics. They have absolutely no incentive to disincentivize the use of ivermectin.

biggill wrote:

Ivermectin (Merck) and hydroxychloroquine (Pfizer) are literally made by big pharma. The thought that vaccine manufacturers are somehow disincentivize the use of other drugs they make themselves to promote something proven highly effective and safe is outrageous.

Merck literally discontinued their development of their vaccine to focus on therapeutics. They have absolutely no incentive to disincentivize the use of ivermectin.

True, but they are pennies on the dollar because they are off patent right? There are people who understand the drugs formulary far more than me and they drew a strong correlation between Ivermectin and the new Merck therapeutic. One is pennies, the other is $700. Which do you think the company wants to sell more of? How convenient the timing of all the MSM coverage and Merck calling it a “horse dewormer” when days later they announce their new pill?

CaptainMusky wrote:

True, but they are pennies on the dollar because they are off patent right? There are people who understand the drugs formulary far more than me and they drew a strong correlation between Ivermectin and the new Merck therapeutic. One is pennies, the other is $700. Which do you think the company wants to sell more of? How convenient the timing of all the MSM coverage and Merck calling it a “horse dewormer” when days later they announce their new pill?

Just jack the price up just like everything else people need. Nothing is stopping them and they wouldn’t have to pour money into development.

Not to mention the fact that all of these therapeutics can and have been used in conjunction with vaccination. The argument has no merit.

biggill wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Don Meier wrote:</div>
Youngest son , not vacced damn near died a month ago from covid . Have all 3 shots and so does wife , not going to chance it . We both are at risk . Minimizing contact with people , have not had a cold ,or flu , it feels good and plan on doing it for the foreseeable future .

Very glad to hear he made it through. Would you mind sharing how old he is? Has he made a full recovery?

He is 50 . He is back to work , but says he is not 100 percent .

Don Meier wrote:

He is 50 . He is back to work , but says he is not 100 percent .

Thank you. I really hope he makes a full recovery. Long COVID is going to be a real problem in the foreseeable future unfortunately.

biggill wrote:

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Ivermectin (Merck) and hydroxychloroquine (Pfizer) are literally made by big pharma. The thought that vaccine manufacturers are somehow disincentivize the use of other drugs they make themselves to promote something proven highly effective and safe is outrageous.

Merck literally discontinued their development of their vaccine to focus on therapeutics. They have absolutely no incentive to disincentivize the use of ivermectin.

Matt if you think there is no connection between Big Pharma as well as Other big Companies and politics then you have your head in the sand. Somewhere someplace someone is getting rich off all these Covid Vaccinations and Covid testing. Who do you think is paying for all these so called Free vaccination and free Test? Do you think that the companies that are involved are all providing the services for free?

fishthumper wrote:

Matt if you think there is no connection between Big Pharma as well as Other big Companies and politics then you have your head in the sand. Somewhere someplace someone is getting rich off all these Covid Vaccinations and Covid testing. Who do you think is paying for all these so called Free vaccination and free Test? Do you think that the companies that are involved are all providing the services for free?

I never said there was no connection between politicians or that no one was getting rich. It would have happened either way. The point is that the argument that they are somehow disincentivizing one drug illegitimately in favor of vaccines and only vaccines is totally baseless.

biggill wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>CaptainMusky wrote:</div>
True, but they are pennies on the dollar because they are off patent right? There are people who understand the drugs formulary far more than me and they drew a strong correlation between Ivermectin and the new Merck therapeutic. One is pennies, the other is $700. Which do you think the company wants to sell more of? How convenient the timing of all the MSM coverage and Merck calling it a “horse dewormer” when days later they announce their new pill?

Just jack the price up just like everything else people need. Nothing is stopping them and they wouldn’t have to pour money into development.

Not to mention the fact that all of these therapeutics can and have been used in conjunction with vaccination. The argument has no merit.

Matt I appreciate you constantly playing contrarian, really I do as you make a lot of valid points. But to pretend there is no difference between off patent drugs that sell for next to nothing, and the printing press of money flowing directly into Pfizer, Moderna, Janssen et al for vaccines and potentially new therapeutics is being willfully obtuse. How about Monoclonal Antibodies? Those are relatively cheap and abundant, yet they are not readily available everywhere despite a consensus on there efficacy. Carrying weight for the suddenly benevolent Big Pharma and Big Govt Agencies (NIH, CDC etc.) is really a weird look imo.

There’s no conflict of interest or anything, and these professionals need to be trusted without question….

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BigWerm wrote:

How about Monoclonal Antibodies? Those are relatively cheap and abundant

They are not cheap or abundant. The cost of Regeneron’s monoclonal infusion treatment is about $1250. Glaxo Smith Kline offers one too and theirs is about $2100 per infusion. Normally you don’t just get one infusion either.

gimruis wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>BigWerm wrote:</div>
How about Monoclonal Antibodies? Those are relatively cheap and abundant

They are not cheap or abundant. The cost of Regeneron’s monoclonal infusion treatment is about $1250. Glaxo Smith Kline offers one too and theirs is about $2100 per infusion. Normally you don’t just get one infusion either.

Keyword being RELATIVELY, as in comparison to a hospital stay, $1250-2100 is cheap compared to a multi-day/week or month long hospital stay.

gimruis wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>BigWerm wrote:</div>
How about Monoclonal Antibodies? Those are relatively cheap and abundant

They are not cheap or abundant. The cost of Regeneron’s monoclonal infusion treatment is about $1250. Glaxo Smith Kline offers one too and theirs is about $2100 per infusion. Normally you don’t just get one infusion either.

Anyone have any idea of how much the Manufactures of the current Covid vaccinations are being paid per dose? don’t know if that information has been disclosed.

BigWerm wrote:

Keyword being RELATIVELY, as in comparison to a hospital stay, $1250-2100 is cheap compared to a multi-day/week or month long hospital stay.

LOL oh ya a stay in the unit is far more expensive.

BigWerm wrote:

There’s no conflict of interest or anything, and these professionals need to be trusted without question….

Jim Smith is no longer the CEO at Reuters but regardless that’s just ridiculous with them being on the boards.

My guess is the vaccine is not going be to looked upon so fondly in the near future. That is if my news sources are any better than anyone else’s! LOL

fishthumper wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Mr.Beads wrote:</div>
You seriously think if there was a product available for big pharma that didn’t replace or hurt sales of another drug/vaccine, that they wouldnt be on top of that pushing it like they do everything else?

That’s the thing about money, it stays true.

The problem is that some of the possible treatments that may work for treating covid would hurt the Big Pharma that in involved with the current vaccine’s. Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson and Johnson would lose a ton of Money if any of the possible treatments were tested and found to be effective. You have any idea how much money companies like Pfizer and Johnson and Johnson pump into political campaigns each election. Approval on these vaccines may be the payback for that

I believe it is Pfizer that has profits over $340,000,000.00 this year alone.

BigWerm wrote:

There’s no conflict of interest or anything, and these professionals need to be trusted without question….

Pretty straightforward how this works.

Banana’s, Grapes, Oranges. Drink a glass of Orange juice with pulp daily.

After I get that crap out of the way it’s Diet Dew, Hostess cupcakes, Candy and anything with sugar. Beef & Pork with Potato’s and a occasional veggie will round out the day. Oh, I like old fashion skin on hot dogs also.

So far so good.

Influenza A is pretty common around here right now also, along with RSV-even in adults, and Sinus infections. Strep will be here soon, just the way it works when a lot of the populace’s Immune Systems are compromised. Vit D, Vit C, Zinc are your friends.

One common thing I’ve been hearing about a lot of the current Covid cases is, that Lots of those who are now testing positive are people who had recently been ill with things like the common cold and Flu’s. With many doc’s saying this is going to be a real bad cold and flu season – Partly to blame from a lot of people not being exposed and thus gaining natural immunity last season due to all the Social distancing, and Masking. It just seems like if there are more colds and flu’s and you body is already Run down and comprised from those illness’s that you are more likely to contact covid if you come in contact with it.

I guess this is one more reason to try and stay as healthy this year as possible