How many are impacted with job loss?

Joe Scegura wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>mahtofire14 wrote:</div>
This isn’t about you or I.

Ya I got that. I think most do at this point.

So then I guess my question is why so much doubt?

I wish after this is over you could get tested to see how many people actually got it.

I’m pretty sure our family already has. We an unidentifiable flu earlier in the year. It sucked big time. We had no energy. I mean my kids were just lying on the floor for days. We had fevers for days and coughed for weeks and weeks. We brought the 18 month old in and Doc said they had no idea what we all had… now this CV which has the exact same symptoms. I’ve heard this same thing from many.

mahtofire14 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Joe Scegura wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>mahtofire14 wrote:</div>
This isn’t about you or I.

Ya I got that. I think most do at this point.

So then I guess my question is why so much doubt?

I think we can realize something isn’t about us and still question weather or not we are over reacting as country. You don’t know and I don’t know if we are. Maybe none of us ever will. I see why we are being cautious though. I just hope we help more people than we hurt in this whole shut down the country thing.

Talked to Mpls 311 today, they are still issuing building permits and don’t expect to not have to shut down the inspectors. Good news for us in the remodel biz.

Joe Scegura wrote:

I wish after this is over you could get tested to see how many people actually got it.

I’m pretty sure our family already has. We an unidentifiable flu earlier in the year. It sucked big time. We had no energy. I mean my kids were just lying on the floor for days. We had fevers for days and coughed for weeks and weeks. We brought the 18 month old in and Doc said they had no idea what we all had… now this CV which has the exact same symptoms. I’ve heard this same thing from many.

Totally agree with you. Trust me, we can’t even get tested and we’re working with people who are infected. We have staff that are being quarantined for 14 days with symptoms but they still don’t even get tested. There just isn’t enough tests right now. RSV is going around with a lot of families right now as well and has similar symptoms and goes from kids to parents very easily. My buddy and his family (and their 11 month old daughter) are getting over it right now.

mahtofire14 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Joe Scegura wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>mahtofire14 wrote:</div>
This isn’t about you or I.

Ya I got that. I think most do at this point.

So then I guess my question is why so much doubt?

I doubt I needed to layoff over 18 people, mostly young earners (17-23) because people over 60 might get sick… maybe if your over 60, STAY home, do not leave the house. Have your family who loves you, take precautions with you and bring you groceries. To shut down all these businesses is overreacting and is unwarranted according to the actual “stats” not the projected armageddon you see on the 6 o clock daily dose.

big_g wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>mahtofire14 wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Joe Scegura wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>mahtofire14 wrote:</div>
This isn’t about you or I.

Ya I got that. I think most do at this point.

So then I guess my question is why so much doubt?

I doubt I needed to layoff over 18 people, mostly young earners (17-23) because people over 60 might get sick… maybe if your over 60, STAY home, do not leave the house. Have your family who loves you, take precautions with you and bring you groceries. To shut down all these businesses is overreacting and is unwarranted according to the actual “stats” not the projected armageddon you see on the 6 o clock daily dose.

I can’t answer who you should or shouldn’t have laid off. I’m don’t own a business or manage workers.

I understand some people aren’t going to change their minds. I never said in my previous posts there was going to be an armageddon. But to think that everybody under the age of 60 can run around living their normal lives right now and it won’t effect anything is pretty ignorant. Whether you believe the stats or not.

I’ll get off my soapbox now and stay in the fishing forums until this blows over.

I hope it is overblown, but so many people are being hurt needlessly, by an over zealous media, who want nothing more than a tanked economy. Some are on record saying it. Sad

The economy is bad now and it will be bad for a while yet. However, it will bounce right back. All it will take is jobs when this slows or ends. As long as people can go back to work we will be fine. Protect the jobs.

big_g wrote:

I hope it is overblown, but so many people are being hurt needlessly, by an over zealous media, who want nothing more than a tanked economy. Some are on record saying it. Sad

Ouch, that could be a reckless opinion.

How do you define “needlessly”? It’s your opinion now because you don’t know if “so many people are being hurt needlessly” until this runs it’s course.

And I’ll add that mahtofire is not part of the “over zealous media, who want nothing more than a tanked economy”, but a health care worker trenched in the front lines in a hospital facing the victims daily.

He’s not tossing out opinions, he’s saying right now…the health care system and hospitals are at or near capacity and on the cusp of overload.

I have little reason to doubt him, I believe he’s stating facts when he says…”Take into consideration that almost all hospitals across the nation are running at full capacity even without coronavirus patients. I’m talking ICU’s, cardiology, oncology, general medical floors. All full before this even started. Now introduce the virus and all the new influx of patients and that the very real potential of needing ICU care.”

Here is a very good article from the strib indicating why it this is all important from the healthcare point of view.

http://www.startribune.com/hospitals-prepare-for-coronavirus-surge/568802252/

To wrap it up, are a substantial amount of ICU beds in the totality of MN hospitals. However only 5.7% of them don’t have patients in them, and even less are available in the Twin Cities.

As with everything else the hospital beds will come down to the haves vs the have nots.

mahtofire14 wrote:

However only 5.7% of them don’t have patients in them

Damn. I didn’t realize it was that low.

We’ve got a baby due in July. I realize that’s far out but I also don’t want to arrive at a hospital with my wife going into labor and have to compete with other resources just to have a baby. If we can prevent said situation, I think we’d all be better off.

Dan wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>mahtofire14 wrote:</div>
However only 5.7% of them don’t have patients in them

Damn. I didn’t realize it was that low.

We’ve got a baby due in July. I realize that’s far out but I also don’t want to arrive at a hospital with my wife going into labor and have to compete with other resources just to have a baby. If we can prevent said situation, I think we’d all be better off.

Hopefully it won’t come to that. However you may be the only family member allowed in the delivery room. That’s what is currently happening for labor and delivery.

I’m not happy about any of this either. It’s stressing everyone out, there’s no sports to watch which completely sucks, people are losing jobs, losing money, and losing freedom. But the way I look at it is if we don’t get our s%$* together and people actually start putting a little effort to staying away from crowds and actually washing our hands and doing the things the experts are asking, we will keep extending the period of time before we can all go back to our regular lives.

Thank God I’m fishing tomorrow……I need it.

Dutchboy wrote:

The economy is bad now and it will be bad for a while yet. However, it will bounce right back. All it will take is jobs when this slows or ends. As long as people can go back to work we will be fine. Protect the jobs.

Once this is over and it will be the economy will boom at a even faster rate than it was before. Thankfully we had a robust economy before this happened. Had we had high unemployment and a weak economy before this happened we could be in some very troubled waters even after this has passed. We wouldn’t be talking recession we’d be talking depression 2.0

It’s going to be hard for any US manufacturers to justify keeping manufacturing over in China rather than here going forward. More manufacturing will be brought back here or done in countries friendly to the US which China certainly is not. Particularly critical goods like pharmacueticals. The silver lining here may be that China is going to be lessened on the world stage not only by us but my many other countries who have been hit hard by the virus who previously had done a good deal of business with them. China was being brought to heel before this happened. That process will be accelerated after this I would think.

I am basing my opinion on that of a MD…. Media over reacting, to something that “might” happen, that we have data of in other areas of the world already, that their worst case scenarios are not playing out, is reckless and in some cases needless.

mahtofire14 wrote:

if we don’t get our s%$* together and people actually start putting a little effort to staying away from crowds and actually washing our hands and doing the things the experts are asking, we will keep extending the period of time before we can all go back to our regular lives.

Isn’t this statement kind of backwards? The more careful we are the more we flatten the Curve. And the longer this thing will take to pass.

I understand flattening the Curve will free up resources at the hospitals and help many people so that’s why we are doing it but the more careful we are the longer it will take to pass… correct?

If someone needs to work tomorrow PM me. It’s not nice work but it’ll be cash.

Joe Scegura wrote:

I understand flattening the Curve will free up resources at the hospitals and help many people so that’s why we are doing it but the more careful we are the longer it will take to pass… correct?

That’s the way I understand it. I’m not expert, nor do I speak like one, but this thing is gonna do it’s thing, and what we can do is slow it. Like everything else involving this, there’s a lot we don’t know. I feel like not taking precautions and having it widespread would be reckless, and flattening the curve so to speak seems to be the most reasonable.

Deuces wrote:

If someone needs to work tomorrow PM me. It’s not nice work but it’ll be cash.

That’s awful decent of you.

mahtofire14 wrote:

Thank God I’m fishing tomorrow……I need it.

I beat you to it and did it yesterday. It was slow, but I didn’t care for obvious reasons. Saw 2 dolphin and a manatee.

Had one big snook sitting under the dock. He teased me by going up to my shrimp before turning. I did manage one littler one.

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Pug when I was down in the keys a month ago I saw my first goliath grouper. Prior to that, if someone had said “you’ll see a fish that looks like a 55-gallon drum with fins” I would’ve called BS. Then I caught a grouper the size of a good SM bass and had a goliath follow it. My goodness, if you’re not ready for that it’s almost terrifying. Also had a shark on that breached and spit the hook out, as well as something that I fought for half an hour, all around the boat, and lost. That’s some damn good time fishing down there.

I’m gonna look up your snook to see what that is.

Joe Scegura wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>mahtofire14 wrote:</div>
if we don’t get our s%$* together and people actually start putting a little effort to staying away from crowds and actually washing our hands and doing the things the experts are asking, we will keep extending the period of time before we can all go back to our regular lives.

Isn’t this statement kind of backwards? The more careful we are the more we flatten the Curve. And the longer this thing will take to pass.

I understand flattening the Curve will free up resources at the hospitals and help many people so that’s why we are doing it but the more careful we are the longer it will take to pass… correct?

To be honest, I don’t know. I’m not an infectious disease expert. I work in cardiology. I can see your argument though. Just don’t know whether limiting exposure and hopefully decreasing the chance of substantial amounts of death is more important or letting everyone get exposed so it passes faster.

I don’t have that answer but I lean towards keeping people healthy. I want this thing over with as much as anybody.

mahtofire14 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Joe Scegura wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>mahtofire14 wrote:</div>
if we don’t get our s%$* together and people actually start putting a little effort to staying away from crowds and actually washing our hands and doing the things the experts are asking, we will keep extending the period of time before we can all go back to our regular lives.

Isn’t this statement kind of backwards? The more careful we are the more we flatten the Curve. And the longer this thing will take to pass.

I understand flattening the Curve will free up resources at the hospitals and help many people so that’s why we are doing it but the more careful we are the longer it will take to pass… correct?

To be honest, I don’t know. I’m not an infectious disease expert. I work in cardiology. I can see your argument though. Just don’t know whether limiting exposure and hopefully decreasing the chance of substantial amounts of death is more important or letting everyone get exposed so it passes faster.

I don’t have that answer but I lean towards keeping people healthy. I want this thing over with as much as anybody.

I agree with this statement. Your earlier one was just contradictory of what I had heard, so just clarifying. Thanks

Anyone happen to see the president’s press conference?

Mr president what do you say to Americans who are scared?

You are nasty and you are a terrible reporter. All of you are terrible.

Mr. Pence then calmly answers the question with some valuable information and a reassuring presence. Lol

Enjoy the next 4 years guys. I understand his frustration but his focus is in the wrong place and hes not smart enough or disciplined enough for leadership.

Sure wish any party could produce someone worth a damn. Guess I’ll vote independent again. I guess I’ll take a tantrum over spreading false information