How Can We Keep Our Schools Safe?

Don’t know why but,for some reason this song comes to mind….

I have the answer, shut down the internet and cable tv. Go back to 3 channels max and newspapers. Smash all game consoles. If anyone acts psychotic they get locked up in a state hospital.

Make America great again.

Good night Mr. and Mrs. America and all the ships at sea.

Mic drop,

Soon if you’re a politician taking money from the NRA will be like taking money from the tabacco loby. ( fact: the NRA was opposed to a ban on teflon coated bullets-bullets designed to pierce the vests law enforcement officers use-they did realize that that kinda looked bad and changed their stance)

The NRA is now responsible for mentally ill people ? The fact that the NRA changed their stance on the teflon rounds proved what to you ? I am not a member of the NRA, but I am a protector of our Constitution… blame politicians all you want… ever heard of the Supreme Court ?

To the Moderators and Keymasters on this forum…you are keeping the “Freedom of Speech” alive and well on this one.

big_g wrote:

Yep, nuke the thread… until the next mentally ill person gets the attention they seek by harming others… that’s been the cycle for years.

For those who think the 2nd Amendment was designed for people to keep their guns for hunting… go back to history class. Who wants to face a tyrannical government with fully auto weapons, with a 6 round bolt action ? (the fact that fully autos are outlawed is infringing on the Constitution already btw)

Walleyestudent Andy Cox wrote:

To the Moderators and Keymasters on this forum…you are keeping the “Freedom of Speech” alive and well on this one.

Everyone has their own opinion on GUNS even though it’s a politically charged topic, it is guns.

I would suggest if this thread offends anyone or it evokes the need for name calling…just don’t open it. Change the channel as they say.

And now for my opinion. If we could (somehow) melt down every AR, semi auto, high cap mag, GUN in the world, there would still be violence. It’s human nature as ugly as it is.

Just let me protect myself and my family. My sister who’s as anti gun as they come said it best. “I think a person with a gun is more dangerous then one without”. Just give me, you and the teachers a chance to protect our children.

Don Meier wrote:

The kid may have been sick ask yourself ,Canada ,Australia, Great Britain don,t have any more mentally ill per thousand than the US . What is the difference ? For one they don,t have the NRA pumping hundreds of millions of dollars to Gop or Democrats to push their agenda. Im a multiple gun owner and have friends who are licensed to own silenced weapons , they all have proper paperwork and went through a rigorous background checks . The problem with the NRA is they don’t represent my values ,one school shooting is one to many! Its time the NRA worked to create a system to prevent this from happening , but i doubt that will happen anytime soon !

Don, I couldn’t agree more. There is one country in the world where this happens with anything close to this regularity. ONE! Not Canada, not Great Britain, not Australia, not Germany, Ireland, France, Japan, Sweden, Norway, Denmark,… Just here. There is one singualar difference. We all know it.

This banging on the NRA is sily. The practice of all of our Politicians being bought is the topic to discuss. Take a good look at the cash and see that all of our law makers are being purchased and told what to do.
9 & 11 are very interesting….Where did that cash come from?
13 is an American hating lunatic….
NRA didn’t make the top 50!

Rank Organization Total Contributions To Dems & Liberals To Repubs & Conservs Pct to Dems & Liberals Pct to Repubs & Conservs
1 Fahr LLC $90,585,670 $90,585,670 $0 100% 0%
2 Renaissance Technologies $54,737,108 $29,014,508 $25,286,600 53% 47%
3 Las Vegas Sands $44,362,166 $51,436 $44,333,430 0% 100%
4 Paloma Partners $41,961,900 $41,958,600 $3,300 100% 0%
5 Service Employees International Union $39,208,097 $39,200,987 $2,100 100% 0%
6 Adelson Drug Clinic $38,847,300 $40,000 $38,830,000 0% 100%
7 Newsweb Corp $38,802,040 $38,796,640 $0 100% 0%
8 NextGen Climate Action $35,459,286 $35,459,286 $0 100% 0%
9 American Federation of Teachers $33,601,605 $33,585,880 $10,700 100% 0%
10 Priorities USA/Priorities USA Action $33,470,302 $33,470,302 $0 100% 0%
11 National Education Assn $29,774,140 $29,426,584 $347,306 99% 1%
12 Laborers Union $28,886,689 $28,396,664 $474,925 98% 2%
13 Soros Fund Management $28,768,898 $27,861,698 $679,700 98% 2%
14 Elliott Management $28,044,280 $39,627 $28,001,953 0% 100%
15 Carpenters & Joiners Union $27,249,959 $26,791,282 $448,927 98% 2%
16 Bloomberg LP $24,954,211 $24,889,281 $47,216 100% 0%
17 Uline Inc $23,876,172 $1,072 $25,075,100 0% 100%
18 Pritzker Group $23,496,137 $22,481,401 $917,440 96% 4%
19 Senate Leadership Fund $22,476,800 $0 $22,476,800 0% 100%
20 One Nation $21,700,000 $0 $21,700,000 0% 100%
21 Republican Governors Assn $20,726,750 $0 $20,726,750 0% 100%
22 For Our Future $19,196,113 $19,157,891 $38,222 100% 0%
23 AFL-CIO $19,028,544 $18,882,344 $146,200 99% 1%
24 Asana $18,007,181 $18,006,931 $0 100% 0%
25 Mountaire Corp $17,916,805 $0 $17,916,805 0% 100%
26 National Assn of Realtors $16,174,328 $2,204,834 $3,003,167 42% 58%
27 Saban Capital Group $15,773,927 $15,792,927 $1,000 100% 0%
28 American Federation of State/Cnty/Munic Employees $15,664,104 $15,615,994 $7,475 100% 0%
29 Stephens Group $15,456,606 $36,987 $15,435,419 0% 100%
30 Starr Companies $15,339,376 $11,375 $15,328,001 0% 100%
31 ABC Supply $14,219,101 $1,625 $14,217,201 0% 100%
32 Citadel LLC $13,958,862 $126,524 $13,932,338 1% 99%
33 Chicago Cubs $13,190,779 $5,450 $13,185,329 0% 100%
34 Comcast Corp $12,719,800 $9,347,954 $3,377,094 74% 27%
35 Bernard Marcus Family Foundation $12,602,850 $500 $12,602,350 0% 100%
36 Environment America $11,946,786 $11,931,786 $0 100% 0%
37 AT&T Inc $11,686,845 $3,859,247 $7,819,579 33% 67%
38 Operating Engineers Union $11,482,908 $10,669,428 $813,327 93% 7%
39 Koch Industries $11,258,265 $44,274 $11,234,828 0% 100%
40 Houston Texans $10,937,010 $2,700 $10,934,310 0% 100%
41 McMahon Ventures $10,922,367 $0 $10,922,367 0% 100%
42 Plumbers/Pipefitters Union $10,891,428 $10,580,528 $285,900 97% 3%
43 International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $10,485,970 $10,261,138 $193,732 98% 2%
44 League of Conservation Voters $10,455,429 $10,385,047 $67,832 99% 1%
45 Commonwealth of Pennsylvania $10,286,356 $10,252,742 $30,625 100% 0%
46 Walt Disney Co $10,154,887 $2,443,999 $7,708,388 24% 76%
47 Jobs Ohio $10,001,000 $0 $10,001,000 0% 100%
48 TAMKO Building Products $9,754,286 $1,176 $4,699,110 0% 100%
49 Blue Cross/Blue Shield $9,486,662 $5,318,085 $4,191,972 56% 44%

ptc wrote:

Don, I couldn’t agree more. There is one country in the world where this happens with anything close to this regularity. ONE! Not Canada, not Great Britain, not Australia, not Germany, Ireland, France, Japan, Sweden, Norway, Denmark,… Just here. There is one singualar difference. We all know it.

Is this the difference?

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2011/10/why-more-americans-suffer-from-mental-disorders-than-anyone-else/246035/
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/5111202/ns/health-mental_health/t/global-study-finds-mental-illness-widespread/

For those folks who don’t like the NRA I’d look up the numbers for their so called “lobbying”, as stated above it’s miniscule and shouldn’t be a part of the conversation.

What they do have is a whole lot of citizens who are passionate gun owners who write, call, email their representatives and make their voice heard when the time comes to push and shove on laws/regulations. It’s a bit admirable IMO how they can mobilize so many of their members to take action.

Now if the other side of the coin took some lessons from the NRA and could do the same then it might end up a bit different. But a bunch of biatching online really gets nowhere politically.

ptc wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Don Meier wrote:</div>
The kid may have been sick ask yourself ,Canada ,Australia, Great Britain don,t have any more mentally ill per thousand than the US . What is the difference ? For one they don,t have the NRA pumping hundreds of millions of dollars to Gop or Democrats to push their agenda. Im a multiple gun owner and have friends who are licensed to own silenced weapons , they all have proper paperwork and went through a rigorous background checks . The problem with the NRA is they don’t represent my values ,one school shooting is one to many! Its time the NRA worked to create a system to prevent this from happening , but i doubt that will happen anytime soon !

Don, I couldn’t agree more. There is one country in the world where this happens with anything close to this regularity. ONE! Not Canada, not Great Britain, not Australia, not Germany, Ireland, France, Japan, Sweden, Norway, Denmark,… Just here. There is one singualar difference. We all know it.

I disagree. We are all safer thanks to the 2A. The number of people illegally shot is statistically meaningless but few want to consider facts.

suzuki wrote:

I disagree. We are all safer thanks to the 2A. The number of people illegally shot is statistically meaningless but few want to consider facts.

Ooohh…ouch. I think I know what you are trying to say here but…you are talking about human lives that have been murdered. If you wanted to create a firestorm, that might do it…to refer to them as “statistically meaningless” ?

“More Americans have died from guns in the United States since 1968 than on battlefields of all the wars in American history.”

That’s a pretty sobering statistic,imo.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/more-americans-killed-guns-1968-all-u-s-wars-combined-n807156

Some things need further investigation into the stats.
I wonder what percentage of these “gun” deaths are drug and gang related?
Chicago is an actual battelfied right now, what is being done to fix that? Gun control has worked…….?

Walleyestudent Andy Cox wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>suzuki wrote:</div>
I disagree. We are all safer thanks to the 2A. The number of people illegally shot is statistically meaningless but few want to consider facts.

Ooohh…ouch. I think I know what you are trying to say here but…you are talking about human lives that have been murdered. If you wanted to create a firestorm, that might do it…to refer to them as “statistically meaningless” ?

Understood. I think the number of brutal murders would increase if citizens were stripped of gun rights. Lesser of two evils thing.

Besox wrote:

Chicago is an actual battelfied right now, what is being done to fix that? Gun control has worked…….?

A little nugget. I too thought Chicago was an example of gun control failures. It’s good to do research before posting things like that.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/glanton/ct-met-gun-control-chicago-dahleen-glanton-20171003-story.html

I heard them break those numbers down on a radio show. The bulk of them were from self inflicted suicide. But they are claimed as gun violence.

biggill wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>ptc wrote:</div>
Don, I couldn’t agree more. There is one country in the world where this happens with anything close to this regularity. ONE! Not Canada, not Great Britain, not Australia, not Germany, Ireland, France, Japan, Sweden, Norway, Denmark,… Just here. There is one singualar difference. We all know it.

Is this the difference?

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2011/10/why-more-americans-suffer-from-mental-disorders-than-anyone-else/246035/
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/5111202/ns/health-mental_health/t/global-study-finds-mental-illness-widespread/

I looked at your links. Both do show the US having a higher incidence of mental health issues than normal. But both were clear that the measure is bound to be heavily skewed by how it is measured as there is no standard measure.

In any case. Even if we take the data as is and assume it is 100% accurate, it still illustrates a huge difference in gun related homicides. The data shows US, Ukraine and New Zealand have similar incidences of mental health issues. But the US has over a 32X higher gun related homicide rate than New Zealand and over 15x Ukraine.

gizmoguy wrote:

I heard them break those numbers down on a radio show. The bulk of them were from self inflicted suicide. But they are claimed as gun violence.

True. There are over 1.5 times as many gun suicides as there are gun homicides. But you can’t really use that to dismiss the incidence of gun homicides in the US.

Our rate of gun homicides in compared to similar countries is shockingly higher.
Belgium 11x
Canada 9x
Finland 11x
France 17x
Germany 51x
Ireland 14x
Italy 10x
Netherlands 12x
New Zealand 33x
Norway 36x
Sweden 19x
Switzerland 17x
United Kingdom 60x

Regarding suicides, that data is pretty shocking too. US citizens who own a gun are 6 times more likely to commit suicide than US citizens who do not.

ptc wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>gizmoguy wrote:</div>
I heard them break those numbers down on a radio show. The bulk of them were from self inflicted suicide. But they are claimed as gun violence.

True. There are over 1.5 times as many gun suicides as there are gun homicides. But you can’t really use that to dismiss the incidence of gun homicides in the US.

Our rate of gun homicides in compared to similar countries is shockingly higher.
Belgium 11x
Canada 9x
Finland 11x
France 17x
Germany 51x
Ireland 14x
Italy 10x
Netherlands 12x
New Zealand 33x
Norway 36x
Sweden 19x
Switzerland 17x
United Kingdom 60x

Regarding suicides, that data is pretty shocking too. US citizens who own a gun are 6 times more likely to commit suicide than US citizens who do not.

So what?

My wife is a teacher and I have 4 kids. I have a family member with a mental illness. I have an opinion. I’ve seen a lot of interesting posts on both sides of this argument in other places.

Those saying give guns to teachers or you need more guns in the school… Read the Chris Kyle story. Perhaps the greatest sniper in history. Highly trained with weapons of all sorts. Killed by a gun… a person he knew was armed and unstable. Giving teachers guns is ridiculous. My wife isn’t Chris Kyle and will never be nearly that highly trained… she’s educated in teaching children, now we’re going to train teachers to be Navy Seals too? C’mon…

The current national administration and my state (Iowa) administration have both slashed funding for mental illness treatment. Like I said, I have a family member with a mental illness. Nothing could be done to help him until things got really bad… even though we saw the signs. This is a huge issue… and its getting worse.

Lets force prayer on people… really? Prayer to whom? Which religion? All of them? Good grief…

The parents should have done more… like what? The shooter in this case was 19… Maybe he had a splendid upbringing. How do you know? If he was mentally ill, it can void the BEST upbringing. They should have heeded the warning signs! Again, how? He hadn’t done anything bad enough that action could be taken… that goes back to the way mental illness is treated in this country.

Those that say, you can ban high capacity guns and they’ll just find another way. THEN FOR GOD’S SAKE MAKE THEM FIND ANOTHER WAY!!!! Because right now its too easy. I look at my kids after a story like this and know that any day they go to school this could happen to them. Yet nothing changes.

ITS THE YOUNGER GENERATION’S FAULT!!!! Oh sure… because you see a lot of 35 and younger in state and national legislature positions. No, unfortunately they are the victims of a broken system created by generations before them. Its the younger generations that will fix these things and clean up the mess. Because the older generations are too divided and stubborn to do it. Read this thread and any other conversation/debate/argument about this topic. A bunch of people arguing about whether they need a 30 shot clip to kill a prairie dog. Great… you got your point across, you’re not willing to change. Ever. Meanwhile there was probably another shooting. Tick tock…

Top 20 School shootings.

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I have enjoyed reading this topic but I am also saddened that there are guys out there that have ZERO empathy for what is happening around this country. They just want their 2nd amendment rights, everyone else can suffer, as long as I have my guns I’ll be happy. That’s what I’m hearing from some of these AR-15 target shooting people. It’s not much of an argument guys, sorry. When these shootings happen it’s not only lives that are lost immediately but also the lasting effects on the community, financially and emotionally. Emotionally everyone SHOULD be able to know how they are feeling, to an extent. Everyone has been to a funeral and the somber feeling surrounding it, now multiply that exponentially. Unless you are the one poster who said something to the effect of people are just numbers or stats. That post more than others rubbed me the wrong way. Whoever that was either misspoke or is just not a decent man. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt but gees man proof read before pressing enter. As for the financial side of the community, they will be tearing down that building and it’s estimated that it will cost $30 million.

$30,000,000.00

I don’t like paying taxes to send other kids to school, I have none, and I sure as hell ain’t paying to bulldoze a multi-million dollar building just to build another one. Maybe the NRA will?

You can argue all you want with me but if you need 30 rounds to shoot a target, you got some problems, bad aim being the least of em.

Best 7.5 minute video on Gun control. Common sense needs to prevail.

youngfry wrote:

My wife is a teacher and I have 4 kids. I have a family member with a mental illness. I have an opinion. I’ve seen a lot of interesting posts on both sides of this argument in other places.

Those saying give guns to teachers or you need more guns in the school… Read the Chris Kyle story. Perhaps the greatest sniper in history. Highly trained with weapons of all sorts. Killed by a gun… a person he knew was armed and unstable. Giving teachers guns is ridiculous. My wife isn’t Chris Kyle and will never be nearly that highly trained… she’s educated in teaching children, now we’re going to train teachers to be Navy Seals too? C’mon…

The current national administration and my state (Iowa) administration have both slashed funding for mental illness treatment. Like I said, I have a family member with a mental illness. Nothing could be done to help him until things got really bad… even though we saw the signs. This is a huge issue… and its getting worse.

Lets force prayer on people… really? Prayer to whom? Which religion? All of them? Good grief…

The parents should have done more… like what? The shooter in this case was 19… Maybe he had a splendid upbringing. How do you know? If he was mentally ill, it can void the BEST upbringing. They should have heeded the warning signs! Again, how? He hadn’t done anything bad enough that action could be taken… that goes back to the way mental illness is treated in this country.

Those that say, you can ban high capacity guns and they’ll just find another way. THEN FOR GOD’S SAKE MAKE THEM FIND ANOTHER WAY!!!! Because right now its too easy. I look at my kids after a story like this and know that any day they go to school this could happen to them. Yet nothing changes.

ITS THE YOUNGER GENERATION’S FAULT!!!! Oh sure… because you see a lot of 35 and younger in state and national legislature positions. No, unfortunately they are the victims of a broken system created by generations before them. Its the younger generations that will fix these things and clean up the mess. Because the older generations are too divided and stubborn to do it. Read this thread and any other conversation/debate/argument about this topic. A bunch of people arguing about whether they need a 30 shot clip to kill a prairie dog. Great… you got your point across, you’re not willing to change. Ever. Meanwhile there was probably another shooting. Tick tock…

Could not agree more on every point.

ptc wrote:

In any case. Even if we take the data as is and assume it is 100% accurate, it still illustrates a huge difference in gun related homicides. The data shows US, Ukraine and New Zealand have similar incidences of mental health issues. But the US has over a 32X higher gun related homicide rate than New Zealand and over 15x Ukraine.

Let me first try to be absolutely clear on my stance on this issue.

1. Strict gun laws will reduce gun violence. It’s a fact and not debatable.

2. Gun violence is greatly compounded by mental health and other underlying social issues.

3. I will not budge on my second amendment right. EVER!

Work on the social issues and this debate fades away.

“Giving teachers guns is ridiculous.”
Just as ridiculous and melting down every gun in the world and thinking there isn’t going to be violence or even less violence.

No, I would not give your wife a gun. I would like to see teachers that are willing and able to be trained in a classroom setting allowed to protect themselves along with my kid a weapon.

The Chris Kyle story? No one is saying the teachers are to train the kids! I don’t understand that statement.

We have short memory. We’ve tried all this control before…

So here is a thought. I’m all about the right to bear arms but really come on everybody why are civilians able to go to a store and but a assault rifle. They are made to kill people end of sentence. No civilians should be able to just go get one. Why is it that hard for you all to understand. Some say they made for target practice or that’s what i use them for. Well that what .22’s are for. You don’t see many mass shootings if any done with a .22 but we do see mass shootings with AR 15’s and other types of high caliber assault rifles. Wtf. If you want to get one you should have to wait a few weeks give a blood and urine tests and go through a extensive background check which should be paid for by the purchaser sure you want a assault rifle pay for all these tests and the background check. You pass all of them then have your pretty people killing gun. You want one that bad to go though all the tests and your found that your a stable human not on drugs or have any mental illness then again enjoy your assault rifle. And those who want to use the 2nd amendment bull pretty sure assault rifles were not around when it went into effect. I’m sure you all will bash and have hate replies but whatever. I don’t care if your a up standing citizen or a crazed madmen point is assault rifles should only be for law enforcement or the military common sense people.

No civilians should be able to just go get one (Assault Rifle) Why is it that hard for you all to understand.

Which is the “assault rifle”?

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