How Can We Keep Our Schools Safe?

Deleted wrote:

Hateful liberal, anti-American drool on my favorite fishing forum……yes, anti-constitution is anti-American!…. For all you goofs that blame guns for all our problems, be careful that all this effort to take away our 2nd amendment doesn’t get turned towards the 1st amendment next. I think these hateful anti-gun folks are the same ones who are never happy & always squeaking about something! The liberals are trying to infuse cash and flat out silliness for ideals, to this useless group of young kids because liberals are desperate. Don’t like America, move! Don’t crap it up for the rest of us tho before you go.

Right on

been following this thread, but i have a question? these AR’s etc? since when have they been called or considered an assault rife????

those guns simply are rifles. ASSAULT………. is simply an action!!!!!!!!

When I was 12 yrs old, we had our firearms safety training at the high school . Yes we brought our guns for one of the classes. We even brought our guns & ammo to school when we had reached high school too, so we could go hunting after school. Nobody worried about guns and ammo in our cars in the parking lot at the high school, nor our unloaded guns in the classroom for firearms safety class. We had zero incidents related to guns on school property. The gun I brought was a Marlin .22LR with a detachable 7 round magazine. Under currently proposed gun control (registration/confiscation) measures taken by the anti American liberal nuts……this gun would be called an “assault weapon”. It’s that ridiculous folks. A $69 Marlin rifle from back then , meets their “weapons of war” definition now. We never had school shootings before. Guns are not the problem. Assault weapons is a made up scary term for just about all guns, especially the black ones.

Deleted wrote:

The liberals are trying to infuse cash and flat out silliness for ideals, to this useless group of young kids because liberals are desperate. Don’t like America, move! Don’t crap it up for the rest of us tho before you go. There are more of us here, that are too busy working for a living to protest, but when it comes time to vote out some nonsense, we do. We did, & we will continue.

There it is again. I am truly a conservative older generation citizen and hold to our constitutional rights, however this continual disdain for our next generation is disappointing.

Back when I was at that young age, the older generation ahead of me proclaimed little or no hope for my generation.

By golly we grew up and turned out just fine.

I’m referring to “this useless group of young kids” being specifically the dumb ones who are following the carrot that the anti-American liberals are holding on a stick for them. This particular group will likely turn out as useless as I expect. I have hope for the ones who are staying in school and who support our constitution. Those are the kids I have hope for because they’ll be the ones to keep this country on it’s course.

When these kids get out of school and their minds fully develop (kindergartners marching ?) they will better understand what a rifle is capable of… NOTHING, without a shooter. And to quote Cougareye “And don’t give me the line about mental health, there were mentally ill when we were in school, and those kids were more than likely treated much more harshly with no support mechanisms at all. ” I honestly think you must believe a rifle is capable of doing these shootings by themselves ??? These kids have convinced you of this ??? It is mental health, it is not a rifle… PERIOD. There was mental health/bullied issues back when I was in school, the mentally challenged/bullied kids were tormented 8-3 daily Monday thru Friday… today with social media, they cannot escape it, it’s 24/7.

And this country is far and above the most mentally unstable in the world to boot.

For some of you, please don’t disrespect the kids. You gain absolutely nothing and only lose your own credibility.

With all the world’s rejects freely crossing our borders, along with the good immigrants who come here to contribute and thrive…..Then all the drugs that also cross our borders, surely it all adds to the mental health issues in our country. Social media and media in general, are all contributing factors also.

Here’s a very neutral interpretation of our second amendment. It gives a very accurate definition of a militia.

The narrative of getting rid of “Military style rifles” are exactly what the 2nd Amendment is about… a free people, capable of defending themselves against a tyrannical force, including our own government. It’s not so people can go hunting. Someone answer this, schools and kids existed 30 years ago. Real “fully auto weapons” existed 35 years ago, mental health issues existed 30 years ago. Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, MySpace did not exist, cell phones did not, the internet did not exist 30 years ago, all these MAOI drugs they prescribe freely did not exist… so if all these things didn’t exist before all these mass shootings and the weapons were even “more military” back then, why not near the shootings? What makes the semi-auto weapon the issue today ? How did the internet, Facebook and cell phones affect the gun ? Simply, they haven’t, they have adversely affected the kids.

And here we go again, back to the same old misdirection. And this time it’s name calling for those that have opposite views. Grow up, not everyone thinks like you and that’s ok. Both viewpoints are necessary so we don’t go too far one way or the other.

My hope is that this lack of ability to compromise doesn’t get my guns taken away. One of the leaders of the student march yesterday proclaimed that they are going to take the ‘bump stock ban’ and then we are going to take a mile!
Do we really care that much about AR’s that we’ll risk everything to keep them.

And IF, mental health is the biggest issue, then why aren’t schools revamping their budgets to provide a higher level of mental health resources? I’ll tell you why, there’s not enough money in the budget. And any attempt to get more money for schools (aka taxes) that is opposed by the same group of people who are opposed to any form of gun reform.
It’s “don’t touch my guns AND no more taxes”. Status quo and we’ll all be fine.
The kids are saying no and I really can’t blame them.

big_g wrote:

The narrative of getting rid of “Military style rifles” are exactly what the 2nd Amendment is about… a free people, capable of defending themselves against a tyrannical force, including our own government. It’s not so people can go hunting. Someone answer this, schools and kids existed 30 years ago. Real “fully auto weapons” existed 35 years ago, mental health issues existed 30 years ago. Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, MySpace did not exist, cell phones did not, the internet did not exist 30 years ago, all these MAOI drugs they prescribe freely did not exist… so if all these things didn’t exist before all these mass shootings and the weapons were even “more military” back then, why not near the shootings? What makes the semi-auto weapon the issue today ? How did the internet, Facebook and cell phones affect the gun ? Simply, they haven’t, they have adversely affected the kids.

This statement is probably more to the point than some will want to agree to. I’d add that we still have a ton of the last generation who sit on their a$$es all day doing nothing and doing anything entails playing video games and drinking beer. If you own a business and are looking for help, there’s an awful lot of this type to chose from if they have enough ambition to apply. If you own a business today and need to hire from todays youth market you’ll probably find out in short order that they lack in work ethic as well as in life ethic. We have all sorts of laws today that are supposed to protect all of us especially our youth when the get handed car keys….laws against texting while driving, laws against driving/drinking, laws against using illegal drugs. How many are killed while texting each year? How many are killed because they were in a car driven by someone alcohol impaired? How many of these kids OD on injected drugs or drugs cut in some way that makes them toxic or how many end up in rehabs only to re-offend or commit suicide? 100% of the causes for these questions is simple to explain….it doesn’t matter how smart the kid is or what his/her ethnicity or social status they just aren’t old enough to make choices that keep them safe. The parents can do what they feel is adequate as far as teaching right from wrong but the same kids in a social atmosphere where the same parents are said to be dumb. Or controlling. At some point this HAS to come back on the kids and how they think. How many of us here today know parents who have had to bury a kid because of some BS mistake of getting in a car with a drunk or druggie or one who was texting? Was it the parents’ fault?

Somewhere I read that maybe the voting age should be 21. I think that would be a start. While in school they should have to adhere to a strict dress policy…girls wear identical apparel, boys wearing identical apparel so everyone is equal. Personally I don’t think these kids should have smart phones or computers until they hit the 11th grade and then only the most basic products without any form of social media access until they are 21. I think no teen should have a drivers license that does not have a gpa of 3.5 or better, nor should they have any type of employment during the school year if they have less than a 3.5 gpa or if the job requires them to drive to it or for it. I think we should have mandatory 4 years of military service to the country BEFORE they go to college, the draft never hurt anyone when we had it except those who took up arms against an enemy of the country, the same persons who fought for the freedoms that these kids today choose to dismiss.

Tom Sawvell wrote:

Somewhere I read that maybe the voting age should be 21. I think that would be a start. While in school they should have to adhere to a strict dress policy…girls wear identical apparel, boys wearing identical apparel so everyone is equal. Personally I don’t think these kids should have smart phones or computers until they hit the 11th grade and then only the most basic products without any form of social media access until they are 21. I think no teen should have a drivers license that does not have a gpa of 3.5 or better, nor should they have any type of employment during the school year if they have less than a 3.5 gpa or if the job requires them to drive to it or for it. I think we should have mandatory 4 years of military service to the country BEFORE they go to college, the draft never hurt anyone when we had it except those who took up arms against an enemy of the country, the same persons who fought for the freedoms that these kids today choose to dismiss.

Sounds like Hitlers youth parent your own kid and they will turn out just fine you don’t need more laws and government influence in the family. How do you tell an 18 year old adult they can’t use their first amendment right on social media? I am under 21 and your telling me I’m not old enough to use In Depth Outdoors? Also a volunteer military is much better than a mandatory military

while i agree to most of what Tom said, in principle, from what i got out of it is quit blaming the gun. its really quite simple in my interpretation of what he said……………..ACCOUNTABILITY!!!!!!!! why cant kids or even some adults take ownership in there actions, quit blaming others.

I know a lot of thirty year olds that shouldn’t be on social media….twitter, facebook, etc. IDO is an information site. And you reference to Hitler just gives you less credibility.

Bass_attack wrote:

Also a volunteer military is much better than a mandatory military

And I assume then that your name is on the dotted line then, eh? Which branch? Or should I plan on saying “that’s what I figured, a no show”?

Sounds like Hitlers youth parent your own kid and they will turn out just fine you don’t need more laws and government influence in the family. How do you tell an 18 year old adult they can’t use their first amendment right on social media? I am under 21 and your telling me I’m not old enough to use In Depth Outdoors? Also a volunteer military is much better than a mandatory military
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In my opinion that right there is a huge issue with me. Today’s parents were not taught how to parent correctly because their parents didn’t parent correctly (of course not all parents fall into this category). I’m going to place a bit of blame on the 60’s hippie revolution “if it feels good, do it” generation.
As far as uniforms in schools, If I were King for a day that would be my first rule implemented.

It’s not the guns. We had a heck of a lot of guns in the 50’s, 60’s, 70’s and school shootings didn’t happen. It’s the people.

FYI – Ronald Reagan made a huge mistake by de-funding mental health facilities.

I haven’t read through all 15 pages, so forgive me if this is redundant, but I’m beginning to agree with the social decay argument. We now live in an era of sanctuary cities (walked by a guy shooting heroine and another pissing on the sidewalk in the middle of the day the last time I was in Portland…), police required to wear body cameras because we don’t trust them, little/no penalties for child abuse and/or molestation, hospital nursuries filled with drug-addicted babies with the mothers knocked up again before the last baby is treated… the list goes on. How have we gotten here and why do we allow this decline? The path to advancing our society isn’t about abandoning expectations, responsibilities, and authority. I’m not contending all is lost, because I think this is a great place to live, but it can fall into a state of despair and disrepair if we don’t expect people to be accountable and have consequences when we fail.

shady5 wrote:

I haven’t read through all 15 pages, so forgive me if this is redundant, but I’m beginning to agree with the social decay argument. We now live in an era of sanctuary cities (walked by a guy shooting heroine and another pissing on the sidewalk in the middle of the day the last time I was in Portland…), police required to wear body cameras because we don’t trust them, little/no penalties for child abuse and/or molestation, hospital nursuries filled with drug-addicted babies with the mothers knocked up again before the last baby is treated… the list goes on. How have we gotten here and why do we allow this decline? The path to advancing our society isn’t about abandoning expectations, responsibilities, and authority. I’m not contending all is lost, because I think this is a great place to live, but it can fall into a state of despair and disrepair if we don’t expect people to be accountable and have consequences when we fail.

And this sir is where today’s kids have become problematic. Nothing has been abandoned. Too many of today’s kids simply do not respect anything that does not directly serve them in what they conceive as a positive way. This is exactly why I think going from school to the military for 4 years is the answer…..get some reality about life infused in their minds while their brains are still somewhat soft And when I refer to kids I include those worthless slobs who at 30 are at home playing video games at 2 in the afternoon while sucking suds that I sort of alluded to in a previous post.

All these kids marching, demanding to change our constitution to fir their needs better smarten up because as it sits our constitution is what keeps them in the pretty rags they wear and in a nice car that someone else paid for. Changing any element of our constitution will have dramatic and very negative on everyone and if these kids need a lesson in how fast this will occur, change something in the first amendment about their right to speak freely. Then maybe they’ll understand.

Its really too bad that these kids have to see the guns in schools and the mass killings but I still content that these kids spend 13 years of their lives with these nut cases they go bad. They see these people change. They see these people implode. But they don’t say anything or don’t say enough because they don’t want to snitch. Mum’s the word and 17 die for no reason, then guns are to blame. This is how skewed young minds work today.

Tom Sawvell wrote:

I know a lot of thirty year olds that shouldn’t be on social media….twitter, facebook, etc. IDO is an information site. And you reference to Hitler just gives you less credibility.

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Bass_attack wrote:</div>
Also a volunteer military is much better than a mandatory military

And I assume then that your name is on the dotted line then, eh? Which branch? Or should I plan on saying “that’s what I figured, a no show”?

Considering almost everything you said was authoritarian right my reference to Hitler was not far off. I have two health conditions that will not let me serve. I have no control over them. But I do know that men who have the heart and the mindset to fight and die for their country and volunteer are much better on the frontlines than people who do not want to be there and who may rather just die than continue fighting.

You always reference kids these days are the problem but how about saying parents these days are the problem. Everyone is the same when they come out. Its the parents who mold them into what they are to be. Most parents are no longer parents they rely on athletic organizations and the rest of society to raise their kids. No first grader needs an ipad but parents see it as a great way to get the kids out of their hair. Quit blaming the kids and do something about it yourself take them fishing, hunting, trap shooting or play some pond hockey. You don’t see many kids in the outdoors anymore because a lot of guys want “time with the boys” or they need to look like a hotshot with no time to teach a kid how to fish. Well the kids sit at home and resort to playing video games and smoking marijuana. They aren’t going to take their kids outdoors when they grow up because their father never did so then they end up as lazy 30 year olds sipping beer all day as you referenced.
Parents rarely discipline children anymore, you are considered a child abuser for dishing out a spanking or washing the kids mouth out with soap.
Parents these days allow kids to watch indecent shows and movies. Then we wonder why they have potty mouths and don’t have respect for others.

Think about what you can do. Introduce a kid to the great outdoors. Otherwise hunting and fishing will be extinct in 50 years.

I respect your reply Bass_attack. I really do. And I really think it takes some forethought to address the parents as you have.

I’ll just say you have no idea how many ways I have worked with kids in the fishing field, so its best not to assume.

Tom Sawvell wrote:

Its really too bad that these kids have to see the guns in schools and the mass killings but I still content that these kids spend 13 years of their lives with these nut cases they go bad. They see these people change. They see these people implode. But they don’t say anything or don’t say enough because they don’t want to snitch. Mum’s the word and 17 die for no reason, then guns are to blame. This is how skewed young minds work today.

Now your blaming kids because they are afraid to snitch. Well authorities were notified 40 some times that this kid was going to shoot up the school and they didn’t act on it. Authorities failed they are to blame.

Tom Sawvell wrote:

I respect your reply Bass_attack. I really do. I’ll just say you have no idea how many ways I have worked with kids in the fishing field, so its best not to assume.

That is great! I respect you for that and your service to our country. I didn’t want that directed at you but at everyone who reads it because the future is in the hands of parents and children equally I believe. Hopefully we can put our differences aside because I think we have a lot of common ground.

In this instance yes the law enforcement community needs to step up and eat this one. I am still going to say that those kids did too little, too late. Teachers, school administrators, counselors PARENT, clergy…..they should have been screaming bloody hell at all of these. And absolutely social pressures stigmatize kids.

There has been a news segment of a school system somewhere that now has pails of rocks, not quite baseball sized rocks, in the classrooms and near every door. The idea is if theres a gun threat, stone the sob. I agree wholeheartedly with it….until some kid comes to school all worked up because miss dolly won’t play house with him and has moved next door with another dilford and starts banging people with rocks. Rocks can kill as easy as a bullet. Its still going to come back to the kids. Some may be adult and mature enough to just get over it, but hen there’s always a few who will foster ill feelings with and for the dork that’s been dumped and coax the idiot into doing something dumb[er]. If kids were brutally honest here and wanted to stop the carnage caused by, say cell phones, rather than guns they’d be rallying around cell service providers to block cell phone use in a motor vehicle. More kids die from traffic accidents related to texting and phone useage in a give year that all the kids that dies from gun related incidents and no suicide doesn’t count as a gun related incident.

Even in high school seniors, darned few will enough life experience, and especially those who were given an Ipad in basic infancy just to shut them up, to make or demand changes to an institution that could topple a country. Call it life investment. Give 4 years of your youth to the country so you understand what the country stands on and you earn a right to have a loud voice. Do the Peace Corp if health holds you down from military service. Four years of service is nothing when compared to what kids are asking for today with zero service.

I didn’t call anyone names and am still waiting for a honest answer to my questions about 30+ years ago, when full auto weapons were available, the lack of school shootings. What changed, now that semi-auto’s are the issue ?

big_g wrote:

I didn’t call anyone names and am still waiting for a honest answer to my questions about 30+ years ago, when full auto weapons were available, the lack of school shootings. What changed, now that semi-auto’s are the issue ?

Numbers. 30+ years ago hardly anyone had these kinds of guns, now there are thousands of them. The tiny percentage of kooks have much easier access than they used to.

Another factor is the fetishizing of guns and the glorification of violence as an answer to your problems. Seriously, there are a lot of people who spend a lot of time training for how to protect themselves with a gun and very little time thinking about how to avoid situations where they think a gun might be necessary. If you don’t live in a very very very high crime area you are incredibly unlikely to need a gun to defend yourself from anyone but your own family.

Bernard Campos wrote:

If you don’t live in a very very very high crime area you are incredibly unlikely to need a gun to defend yourself from anyone but your own family.

This is false. I live in what I would call a rural/suburban area, East Bethel.

Over the past month a 70+ year old man was beaten in a road rage incident. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/anoka-county-road-rage-incident-east-bethel-minnesota-man-attacked-2018-03-04/

A few miles to the west in an identical type of neighborhood, my buddies grandma was murdered by a home invader who was high on meth.

Last summer there was a shootout at Coopers Corner leaving one dead over a bad drug deal.

These are just a few recent ones I remember but it doesn’t matter where you live, evil will be found anywhere at any time.

Another version of 2A.

Bernard Campos wrote:

Numbers. 30+ years ago hardly anyone had these kinds of guns, now there are thousands of them. The tiny percentage of kooks have much easier access than they used to.

Another factor is the fetishizing of guns and the glorification of violence as an answer to your problems. Seriously, there are a lot of people who spend a lot of time training for how to protect themselves with a gun and very little time thinking about how to avoid situations where they think a gun might be necessary. If you don’t live in a very very very high crime area you are incredibly unlikely to need a gun to defend yourself from anyone but your own family.

I live in Rochester, home of the Mayo Clinic, and its supposed to be a safe town. We have had more murders in this town already this year than we have had in several years. Where some of these murders have taken place one should consider that areas as safe. Until of course some fruit job goes bonkers. And about it being unlikely one would need a gun to defend ones family….a number of years ago a 17 year old David Brom murdered his Father, Mother brother and sister with an axe. I wonder if a gun had been present if maybe some of that family might not be alive today. I don’t care where you live, crime will come to you and it doesn’t always carry a gun as two people just last week in town here were stabbed to death.

In Rochester your average murder rate per 1,000 people is 0 so if you had a murder yeah, the rate has skyrocketed.

As for your axe analogy, you had to go back 17 years to find that? In 2016 432 people died from gunshots in Minnesota. Maybe if there were more axes and fewer guns that number would be lower.

Do you guys even realize how bat sh/t crazy some of you sound? Rambling about murders and stabbings…….of course evil exists. It has since the beginning of time. What does that have to do with protecting our schools better…. nothing. NOTHING!

After 9/11 we protected our airports and planes better. It’s time to do the same for schools.