Hey Joel Ballweg! Need advice on Suffix 832 Advanced lead core for Salmon

  • to_setter
    Stone Lake, WI
    Posts: 591
    #1554221

    Hi Joel,
    I think I remember you posting on the use of the Suffix lead core for Salmon fishing. I just broke off a 150 copper setup and thought I’d try the 832 lead core in it’s place. I’m a bit nervous as the 832 is only 18 lb test vs the 27 lb that I typically use, but I believe you’ve had good success with this in the past, so I’d like to give it a try.
    What I really need are suggestions on connections from backer to lead, and lead to leader. I remember reading something about problems with twisting and the lead breaking within the outer sheath. I believe you’ve found a fix for that?……. I’ll be using a 15 ft stretch of 30 lb mono between Power Pro backer and lead to attach my board, then 25lb flouro for a leader. If you have suggestions on connecting mono to 832, and flouro to 832, that would be a great help.

    Thanks- Todd

    Joel Ballweg
    Sauk City, Wisconsin
    Posts: 3295
    #1554434

    I haven’t been using the Sufix 832 Advanced lead core line on my rigs. Been using the Tough Line Micro-lead on my walleye rods and have been very happy with that so far.

    On my salmon rods, I’ve been running the old Sufix lead core. A few years back they had a sale on the regular Sufix lead core and I bought a bunch. Still using it on my salmon rods.

    If you are going to run the Advanced 832 or the Tough line Micro-lead lead core, you will need to put a swivel between the lead core and the backer line to prevent line twist. Line twist will kill both of these line prematurely.
    The simplest knot I’ve found for tying advanced lead cores to a swivel is to simply double over the line and then tie and overhand knot. Your doing this to create a loop in the end of your line. Once you have that loop, run it thru the swivel, pull the swivel thru the loop and pull tight. Very simple and you do not have to remove the lead from the sheath to tie it which is great because pulling a small section of lead out from the advanced lead cores is almost impossible.

    If you run the older style lead core lines, then you can get away with tying an Albright knot from the backer to the lead core.
    As for running a section of mono between the power pro backer and the lead core, I’ve been getting away from that as much as possible. I still have a few lead core setups that are not switched over yet but thats going to change soon.
    The setup I’m changing over to has my 50# braid tied directly to the lead core or copper using and albright knot. The reason why is less chance for failure within the system due to more knots than necessary. One other advantage is the knot between the braid & lead core is smaller and moves thru your line guides and reel guide easier.

    As for knots, I always tie an Albright when tying backers & leaders to lead core or copper. IMHO this is exactly where the albright works best. Lines of dissimilar diameters are what the albright knot was designed for. (as stated above, I don’t use advanced lead cores for salmon fishing, only walleye rigs for now)
    It’s not really necessary, but if you want a little extra secure feeling from the fear of knot failure, add a drop of super glue to the knot.

    If you switch your planer boards to the Offshore OR-18 snap, then you can snap directly to the braid without damaging the line. I use Church Tackle walleye boards with the OR-18 snaps. Unfortunately, they don’t come that way.
    If you go this route, then you will also want to switch out the spring loaded pin at the back of the board. They come with a plastic pin and the braid will cut thru that plastic in no time, making it dang near impossible to pull the pin. Blood Run tackle company sells sst replacement pins. (or if you know a good machinist, they’re really easy to make. I make my own)
    Or just stay with the 5-6′ section of mono between the backer braid and the lead core. More knots but less money spent replacing the pin and line release snap.

    As for the 18# Sufix Advanced lead core, I wouldn’t be to concerned about its strength. As long as you can keep line twist from damaging the line, it should be plenty strong.

    The Tuff Line Micro Lead is stronger in my opinion, (especially after line twist has damaged the line) but Tuff Line does not sink at the faster rate so no matter what, when it comes to lead core lines, your always giving up something to get something.

    One final note concerning braid and the OR-18 release. To prevent line slippage, run the braid behind the stainless steel pin, then pinch the line together both in front & behind the pin, now spin the board 3-5 times before snapping the release to the braid. If you do not do this, the braid will eventually slip inside the release and cut a groove into the plastic. Not good!
    Once you get the hang of this, snapping on a board is still fast and easy.

    Most if not all of this info can be found on the Blood Run Tackle website.

    Art Green was the guy who clued me into these tips and the Blood Run site:
    Blood Run Tackle Fishing Tips

    Francis K
    Champlin, MN
    Posts: 828
    #1554446

    If you are going to run the Advanced 832 or the Tough line Micro-lead lead core, you will need to put a swivel between the lead core and the backer line to prevent line twist. Line twist will kill both of these line prematurely.

    I am a little confused here. I understand running a swivel between the leader and Advanced 832, but a second swivel between backing and Advanced 832? So, if running a segmented set up I will need to employ two swivles, yes?

    Joel Ballweg
    Sauk City, Wisconsin
    Posts: 3295
    #1554453

    On salmon fishing gear, your always going to have a swivel in front of the lure. If your running a flasher/fly, your going to have a swivel at the connection regardless of the kind of lead core.
    Even on spoons, you should always have a swivel connecting the the spoon to your line.
    The swivel in front of your bait should be enough. There shouldn’t be a need for another swivel between the leader and the lead core.

    To safe guard your advanced lead core lines, I would indeed use a small swivel to connect the backer to the lead core. (doesn’t matter if its segmented or a full core) Granted, this is my opinion and nothing more. But if I’m going to spend $30 for 100 yds of Advance 832 lead core line, I’m going to protect that line as much as possible and the #1 thing that will shorten its life span is line twist.

    No matter which lead core line you choose to use, you will have to give up something to get something else.

    I don’t like that swivel going between my backing and the lead core. Thats one of the reasons why I don’t run advanced lead core on my salmon rigs.

    You could try it without the swivel. If you do, be sure to come back and let us know how well it works out. I have not ran it on any salmon rigs so I really don’t know myself.

    If your just running straight lead core on a walleye fishing rod, I don’t think you need the swivel to connect the backing to your Advanced Lead core line. Most of the time in this situation, you will not have all the lead core in the water anyway. Only enough to reach the depth you are targeting.

    Where I’ve run into problems with line twist on the new, advanced lead cores is on walleye rigs pulling crank baits. Crank baits typically have a snap connecting the lure, not a snap swivel. This is one reason why its so critical to use a swivel between the leader and the lead core.

    Art Green
    Brookfield,WI
    Posts: 733
    #1554535

    I have been running 832 Advanced for salmon the last couple of years in 18 lb. with no issues, just be sure to have a swivel some where as Joel pointed out. I have been using an improved reverse albright knot with braid to super lead. The extra wraps give me a bit more sense of security and is no harder to tie. The reverse albright works great, too.

    Joel is right about the Blood Run Tackle sight. There is a boat load of information there to help load the boat with silver screamers with worrying about failed knots at those critical moments.

    Chuck Melcher
    SE Wisconsin, Racine County
    Posts: 1966
    #1554561

    I took advice in reading earlier postings by all these guys to start the season using advanced suffix lead, maybe missing the point of a swivel by the backing. I have a four foot section of mono between the backing and lead for clipping board to as I don’t have the really nice off-shore clips, and I’m trying to work into this slowly. I run a swivel after the lead, before the leader, and all my connections to any lure has another swivel. Used maybe 12-14 times now on Lake Michigan, with no problems.

    Joel Ballweg
    Sauk City, Wisconsin
    Posts: 3295
    #1554563

    Like I said above, I have not run the Advanced 832 on Lake Michigan. If I was going to rig it up, I would have put a small swivel in front of the lead.

    Sounds like its working just fine without that swivel for you guys that are already running the Advanced lead core. Good to know!

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