Here Packer fans, this will help you sleep

https://theathletic.com/news/2022-super-bowl-odds/AEbyccWG3VKa

Pack picked for the Super Bowl.

I don’t put much stock in the expert opinions, one key injury can determine any teams season.

Cheeseheads stand in line to give their money away. The Packers are the top bet on team every year, so the odds are always stacked. Even in a year that they are over the cap already, and have 20 free agents they cannot sign. Good luck with that bet.

At least we have hope.

toddrun wrote:

Cheeseheads stand in line to give their money away. The Packers are the top bet on team every year, so the odds are always stacked. Even in a year that they are over the cap already, and have 20 free agents they cannot sign. Good luck with that bet.

…yes, along with another 12 teams in the same boat (including the Vikings).

They will be fine. Will the Packers win it all? No. Will they bring out a similar team who is good enough to win the NFC North again? Yes. Will Vikings fans still get more excited about a Packers loss than one of their own 7 or 8 wins? Yes.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

toddrun wrote:

Cheeseheads stand in line to give their money away. The Packers are the top bet on team every year, so the odds are always stacked. Even in a year that they are over the cap already, and have 20 free agents they cannot sign. Good luck with that bet.

Define Cheesehead.
With the national following the Packers have the big fish that bet Packers are mostly not from Wisconsin.

“The odds are always stacked”
So your saying a bunch of packer fans just put money on the packers to win it all because there packer fans and that’s what they do? That really clears things up.

“Even in a year that they are over the cap already, and have 20 free agents they cannot sign. Good luck with that bet.”

The packers are one of the very best teams in the league at managing its cap. If they want to keep a player they develop they do. See Rodgers,Adam’s,Bakhtiari,Clark as all pro examples.
Furthermore with the recent draft success of picks like Alexander, Gary, Jenkins, and Savage they have young all stars at cheap rates.
Basically extending Rodgers and Adam’s and the packers are at 180 mil. Further moves will give them more flexibility plus the g.m. stated they are all in.

Please if your going to post something at least make a little sense.

buckybadger wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>toddrun wrote:</div>
Cheeseheads stand in line to give their money away. The Packers are the top bet on team every year, so the odds are always stacked. Even in a year that they are over the cap already, and have 20 free agents they cannot sign. Good luck with that bet.

…yes, along with another 12 teams in the same boat (including the Vikings).

They will be fine. Will the Packers win it all? No. Will they bring out a similar team who is good enough to win the NFC North again? Yes. Will Vikings fans still get more excited about a Packers loss than one of their own 7 or 8 wins? Yes.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

If your counting Lions Bears and Vikings you are correct. The Packers are in the Super Bowl conversation every year for a reason. They contend for it all with a roster built for such event. Now as the other three teams fan base understand winning it all isn’t as easy as it sounds. Atleast the bears have 1 Lombardi

That’s great that the Pack are so awesome at managing their cap. Rodgers is likely the best arm talent of his generation, better than Brady, better than Brees. And what does his career with the awesome cap managing Pack have to show for it? 1 Superbowl. Managing the cap is one thing, putting enough good talent around the best arm talent in the league to win Superbowls is another. Mahomes is the next generation of best arm talent in the NFL, and look at the talent KC put around him to WIN!! Put it to you this way, the Pack without Rodgers are a sub .500 team at best. If they were about helping him win, they wouldn’t draft a bench warming QB in the 1st round, especially in a year where there were SOOO many stud WR’s. The Pack are killing Rodgers career more than he is making them win.

What do the Vikings have to show for there entire existence based on your sound logic?

bigpike wrote:

What do the Vikings have to show for there entire existence based on your sound logic?

I think you’re right. It probably depends on what point of view you see it from. As a Vikings fan I’m totally jealous of you’re back to back hall of fame quarterbacks. They’ve both won a super bowl and they’ve both won the MVP three times. The Vikings have had some good seasons mixed in but not nearly the consistency that the Packers have. But it sounds like the knock on the Packers is that they haven’t done enough with that consistency by winning super bowls. So the question is this, would you rather accept what the Packers have done for the last 25 years with Favre and Rodgers “only” winning 2 super bowls or would you rather accept what the Vikings have done with 15 difference quarterbacks and no super bowls? The answer for this guy is obvious. Its hard to be consistently good year in and year out in the NFL. Certainly stability at the most important position plays a big role in this. It can always be worse. You could be a Lions fan.

gim wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>bigpike wrote:</div>
What do the Vikings have to show for there entire existence based on your sound logic?

I think you’re right. It probably depends on what point of view you see it from. As a Vikings fan I’m totally jealous of you’re back to back hall of fame quarterbacks. They’ve both won a super bowl and they’ve both won the MVP three times. The Vikings have had some good seasons mixed in but not nearly the consistency that the Packers have. But it sounds like the knock on the Packers is that they haven’t done enough with that consistency by winning super bowls. So the question is this, would you rather accept what the Packers have done for the last 25 years with Favre and Rodgers “only” winning 2 super bowls or would you rather accept what the Vikings have done with 15 difference quarterbacks and no super bowls? The answer for this guy is obvious. Its hard to be consistently good year in and year out in the NFL. Certainly stability at the most important position plays a big role in this. It can always be worse. You could be a Lions fan.

The generational talents of Randy Moss and Adrian Peterson weren’t enuff to move the needle. I get the argument of Rodgers should have more rings than he does but the fact 1 ring does adore his hand along with a super bowl mvp, 3 regular season MVP’s and numerous Nfc title games.
The packers have rarely wasted his talents with a bottom standing team

First off, we are talking about the Pack, not the Vikings.

NFL Superbowl are more than not won by the QB, that’s why they are usually the MVP. And as far as the Vikings go, they have not had a good QB since Tarkington, unless you want to include the one year with Favre in which bounty gate kick the crap out of him.

As was stated, GB has had HOF quality QB’s since 1992, and only 2 Superbowl wins. Pitiful.

This is how GB has helped Rodgers in the first round since they last were in the SB –

2012 28 Nick Perry DE Southern California
2013 26 Datone Jones DE UCLA
2014 21 Ha Ha Clinton-Dix # S Alabama
2015 30 Damarious Randall S Arizona State
2016 27 Kenny Clark NT UCLA
2017 — No pick — — [tj]
2018 18 Jaire Alexander CB Louisville
2019 12 Rashan Gary DE Michigan
2019 21 Darnell Savage Jr. S Maryland
2020 26 Jordan Love QB Utah State

Not one offensive 1st rounder, except a bench warming QB last year. Good players listed, but none that help Rodgers

How many teams have never won a Super Bowl?

What’s pitiful is the Vikings bears and lions all could of drafted Favre or Rodgers ahead of the packers and or trade for Favre but they didn’t.

That is what’s pitiful

Then as a fan base you could complain about your two lousy superbowl wins with those two great quarterbacks

KwickStick wrote:

How many teams have never won a Super Bowl?

Google is great! 12 teams that have never won a Super Bowl are the Minnesota Vikings, Buffalo Bills, Cincinnati Bengals, Carolina Panthers, Atlanta Falcons, Los Angeles Chargers, Tennessee Titans, Arizona Cardinals, Cleveland Browns, Detroit Lions, Houston Texans, and the Jacksonville Jaguars

toddrun wrote:

Not one offensive 1st rounder, except a bench warming QB last year. Good players listed, but none that help Rodgers

And you can extend that further on how many misses they’ve made in the 2nd and 3rd round as well. And those misses are exacerbated by virtually no Free Agent activity, until recently and that is minimal as well. Just a poorly run franchise that hit gold on 2 QB’s really…

Jealousy is an ugly emotion. It always comes out around here.

We have seen (at least us old guys have) the game evolve into a passing offensive game. Nothing like the game of decades past. Had KC not had the injury to the offensive line we would have had another offensive shootout last night.

But, the Brady trophy resides in Tampa now and everybody can start planning how to wrestle it away from him next year.

I agree Dutchboy. I thought KC had enough weapons, and a good enough QB, that whey would still have a chance. But with both OT’s out, goes to show you it is a team effort. Packers should understand that.

No jealousy here, just making a point, based on facts. I am a big fan of Favre’s and although I think Rodgers is too arrogant for his own good, I fully believe he has been the most talented QB in the NFL for at least the last 10 years. And I accept the Vikings are lame in not being able to find a franchise QB.

I am of the opinion, as a Vikings fan, that Spiellman should trade the house to get Watson, they can’t draft that quality QB, and have proven they cannot determine QB talent in the draft anyways. The best part about Ponder, one of their failed attempts, was he good looking wife.

But this thread is about the Packers, and how people bet their hard earned money on a loosing ticket.

The year anyone could of had Rodgers:

Bears: Cedric Benson #5
Vikings: Troy Williamson #7
Detroit: Mike Williams #10
Minnesota: Erasmus James #17
Green Bay: Aaron Rodgers #24

As you can clearly see the Vikings could of had 15 years of Rodgers with 2 chances but passed both times for some real talent at Wr and De.

The bears were starting Rex Grossman the Vikings Brad Johnson the Lions John Kitna and the Packers Favre.

The only two names of relevance on this list is Favre and Rodgers……wierd

toddrun wrote:

I agree Dutchboy. I thought KC had enough weapons, and a good enough QB, that whey would still have a chance. But with both OT’s out, goes to show you it is a team effort. Packers should understand that.

No jealousy here, just making a point, based on facts. I am a big fan of Favre’s and although I think Rodgers is too arrogant for his own good, I fully believe he has been the most talented QB in the NFL for at least the last 10 years. And I accept the Vikings are lame in not being able to find a franchise QB.

I am of the opinion, as a Vikings fan, that Spiellman should trade the house to get Watson, they can’t draft that quality QB, and have proven they cannot determine QB talent in the draft anyways. The best part about Ponder, one of their failed attempts, was he good looking wife.

But this thread is about the Packers, and how people bet their hard earned money on a loosing ticket.

You wanna stir the crap then enjoy the smell

toddrun wrote:

I agree Dutchboy. I thought KC had enough weapons, and a good enough QB, that whey would still have a chance. But with both OT’s out, goes to show you it is a team effort. Packers should understand that.

No jealousy here, just making a point, based on facts. I am a big fan of Favre’s and although I think Rodgers is too arrogant for his own good, I fully believe he has been the most talented QB in the NFL for at least the last 10 years. And I accept the Vikings are lame in not being able to find a franchise QB.

I am of the opinion, as a Vikings fan, that Spiellman should trade the house to get Watson, they can’t draft that quality QB, and have proven they cannot determine QB talent in the draft anyways. The best part about Ponder, one of their failed attempts, was he good looking wife.

But this thread is about the Packers, and how people bet their hard earned money on a loosing ticket.

One of the problems here is (and there are many) Watson has a full no trade. He isn’t coming here………..EVER.

Bigpike,

You are wrong, the Vikings were starting Cullpepper and he finished 2nd in MVP votes behind Mannings record breaking year.

It irrelevant how many teams passed on him, its relevant that the Pack have not put a winning team around him when they had him.

The Vikings have all kinds of excuses why the are losers, based on historical facts. The Pack have way fewer excuses with the QB’s they have had the last 30 years.

Thing is those two Super Bowl wins with Favre and Rodgers were still extremely satisfying. They were mountains climbed, and the journeys were beyond fun. Maybe someday you’ll experience the feeling and not grovel around throwing stones while consumed in jealously.

KwickStick wrote:

Thing is those two Super Bowl wins with Favre and Rodgers were still extremely satisfying. They were mountains climbed, and the journeys were beyond fun. Maybe someday you’ll experience the feeling and not grovel around throwing stones while consumed in jealously.

We understand. Our baseball team has won, twice. Our hockey team has more finals appearances then yours. Our basketball team has done as well as yours. You got soccer over there?

toddrun wrote:

But this thread is about the Packers, and how people bet their hard earned money on a loosing ticket.

Exactly, look at this draft history the last 10 years, and it’s almost exclusively to bolster the Defense and run game, which hasn’t really panned out. The only top 3 round picks made at TE or WR that panned out were Davante (2014) and Cobb (2011).
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htm

bigpike wrote:

What’s pitiful is the Vikings bears and lions all could of drafted Favre or Rodgers ahead of the packers and or trade for Favre but they didn’t.

Rodgers was picked in 2005. That year Chicago Bears selected with the 4th pick head case Cedric Benson. What more do you need to say?

Dutchboy wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>KwickStick wrote:</div>
Thing is those two Super Bowl wins with Favre and Rodgers were still extremely satisfying. They were mountains climbed, and the journeys were beyond fun. Maybe someday you’ll experience the feeling and not grovel around throwing stones while consumed in jealously.

We understand. Our baseball team has won, twice. Our hockey team has more finals appearances then yours. Our basketball team has done as well as yours. You got soccer over there?

Not really sure how to take you, Dutchboy since you lobbed up this lollypop from the getgo.

bigpike wrote:

The year anyone could of had Rodgers:

Bears: Cedric Benson #5
Vikings: Troy Williamson #7
Detroit: Mike Williams #10
Minnesota: Erasmus James #17
Green Bay: Aaron Rodgers #24

As you can clearly see the Vikings could of had 15 years of Rodgers with 2 chances but passed both times for some real talent at Wr and De.

The bears were starting Rex Grossman the Vikings Brad Johnson the Lions John Kitna and the Packers Favre.

The only two names of relevance on this list is Favre and Rodgers……wierd

This whole argument about great talent being passed over in the draft is really tired and over-played by everyone, especially the media. They still bring it up every damn time rodgers plays SF. Here’s a news flash for you, A LARGE NUMBER OF ELITE PLAYERS ARE DRAFTED IN LATE ROUNDS. Tom Brady, Mahomes, Jerry Rice, Stefon Diggs #MN Miracle, Moss and the list could go on forever. No team ever has a perfect draft, and that’s part of the fun of it.

As for the packers drafting a QB, most of the packers fans I know personally weren’t happy about it.

crawdaddy wrote:

As for the packers drafting a QB, most of the packers fans I know personally weren’t happy about it.

These are probably the same ones that weren’t happy when Ted Thompson drafted Rodgers and then decided to cut Brett Favre loose.