Heat & humidity

Equals 9 shootings and a stabbing in Mpls since Thursday. Happens every year. When it gets hot out people die.

Police chief pleads for more cops. Who woulda guessed?

I think the city council recently approved a significant budget increase for the MPD a couple weeks ago. Hopefully it allows them to add more to the force.

who are they going to find who wants to work there is what I want to know.

The current reduced police force is surely not caused by a lack of available funds.
Even if they added 200 more cops it doesn’t guarantee that the shootings are going to stop or be reduced unless the rules of engagement and penalties change.

17 serious medical emergency atv injuries including multiple lifeflights in my county since July 15th. Each place has their own problems. Wouldn’t mind spending a weekend in the twin cities hitting up the zoo and a ballgame and the mall but wont bring my elderly parents or teenage nephew along with. Last time I was there though was before George Floyd, there was cops on every corner downtown and my drunk buddy still got his wallet stolen. Kinda feels like we are headed back into the 80’s though crime wise.

The police Chiefs statement was that that level of violence is unacceptable, My question when he said that is ” What is a acceptable level of violence ? “

Throwing $ at this problem will not help. Until the police force starts to get more backing from their Chief’s and from the elected politicians no one will want the job. You don’t want people going into the profession simply for the $. You want people who go into law enforcement who want to make a difference in making a area safe and with far less crime. Those type of officers are now are getting out.

Jason wrote:

The current reduced police force is surely not caused by a lack of available funds.

What do you think the cause is?

fishthumper wrote:

Until the police force starts to get more backing from their Chief’s and from the elected politicians no one will want the job.

The new chief has done an amazing job for what he inherited. The issue in MSP is almost exclusively on the city council (7 out of 12 are endorsed socialists) and the growing # of far leftists in the city. IMHO.

Easy for people to pontificate that don’t actually live in the city. Same tired arguments about MPLS being a crime ridden shithole but haven’t spent any time here.

Kory is right….the new chief has done a great job and violent crime is down substantially. Paying our police a competitive wage is a good start.

The city council is still an issue but a good chunk of the “defund the police” council members are gone. The fact they approved a 21% pay increase is a good start.

Somebody mentioned it above…every locale has their issues but MPLS has made progress recently.

as witnessed by only 9 shootings and one stabbing. It certainly could have been worse……just ask South Chicago.

Matt Moen wrote:

Easy for people to pontificate that don’t actually live in the city. Same tired arguments about MPLS being a crime ridden shithole but haven’t spent any time here.

The Chief is literally begging for help, even from the Feds. It’s tough to follow this profile and not grasp how rampant and blatant and violent the crime is. (not limited to Minneapolis). https://x.com/CrimeWatchMpls

I also agree that 100% of this is on the council.
If the city admin and law enforcement are in a toxic relationship, and bad policies are ignored, then the whole thing just festers.

MPLS is not unlike any other large progressive city. Absolutely beautiful and safe on the top end and a needle infested gutter on the bottom end. The middle just disappears.

BigWerm wrote:

The new chief has done an amazing job for what he inherited.

I agree. He seems like a reasonable guy.

I don’t know if the increase in pay recently approved by the city council will help recruit more officers. But it certainly isn’t going to hurt.

gimruis wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>BigWerm wrote:</div>
The new chief has done an amazing job for what he inherited.

I agree. He seems like a reasonable guy.

I don’t know if the increase in pay recently approved by the city council will help recruit more officers. But it certainly isn’t going to hurt.

I think the first goal is to try and retain some of the good ones. MPLS is hemorrhaging officers right now. Hopefully this helps with retention and then recruitment.

Dutchboy I am not sure why the post. Summer crime is pretty common in Minneapolis. Some years it stays in the rougher neighborhoods while other years it spreads out to the nightlife areas and first ring suburbs. I suspect most people that live in these “killing” neighborhoods disagree with the progressive politicians that tout that police are bad and criminals are unfairly punished, but most do not press to change those officials.

Separately as bad as it is in the Big City, most of the Minnesota LEOs killed in the line of duty are not serving there.

Crime or no crime, I find little reason to visit Minneapolis.

Bloomington chief has been great in his post crime interviews. Glad to see the Minneapolis chief tell it like it really is.

Sports analogies – you have to play on your toes not your heals. Best defense is a strong offense.

Police that are in the community building trust but also on top of the criminal activity are going to be a greater deterrent than units that only respond to tragedy. Alas, this is often viewed as profiling and simply not allowed any longer.

Talked to a cop recently and he was saying the starting pay is pretty good for Minneapolis. The only down side is your life expectancy drops by 5 years.

I was a FF in mpls for 27 years, medical emergencies which was the biggest portion of our calls, violence was always more on hot summer nights, Until there are consequences, nothing will change, glad I am out of there, Nice place to live and grow up in my time

I assume crime spikes and dips are pretty universal with regards to temperature across the Midwest and US.

I am sure Gim our full time IDO meteorologist could pull a graph of the correlation if it’s that important to discuss here.

That is of course your original question to this topic. Correct Dutch?

It’s actually The Predator. It’s well documented they are drawn to heat and conflict.

We’ll see who gets the reference…maybe Dutch has a VHS of the original Predator.

Ripjiggen wrote:

I am sure Gim our full time IDO meteorologist could pull a graph of the correlation if it’s that important to discuss here.

I know several long time law enforcement officers. They say the problem these days are that 10-15 years ago, police chiefs were 90% police officer and 10% politicians. These days they are 10% police officer and 90% politicians. The bigger the city the more politicians they are and become. Then again, what do you expect when they are appointed by politicians? These positions should be elected not appointed in my opinion.

Don’t see how this correlates with heat and humidity?

Ripjiggen wrote:

Don’t see how this correlates with heat and humidity?

What don’t you see? The original post was about the correlation between heat and Violent crime. There is Statistics that show that to be true. The other replies are around what and if anything can be done to lessen violent crime. Rather or not anyone’s thoughts or ideas are right or wrong – No One knows.

Maybe stay inside where there is AC and you can be cool.

Ripjiggen wrote:

Don’t see how this correlates with heat and humidity?

A 2019 study at USC found violent crime increased by up to 5.7% on days with temperatures higher than 85 degrees. This study may show a correlation, but researchers also found the relationship in crime was more common in lower-income communities during warm weather conditions.Mar 21, 2024

Last month when camping we learned about the Windigo here in MN. I think we need to be more concerned about it getting too cold and all of us turning into deer headed cannibals.

There’s crime everywhere.

This morning we had a meth-head show up on our job site and started smashing up parked cars with big rocks (some personal vehicles and municipal vehicles) in the little town of Two Harbors.

He said we killed his girlfriend and raped her in a porta-potty…

I checked all of the blue boxes, didn’t find a body.

He’s in jail but the cops said he’ll probably be back on the street in a couple days.

Drugs are bad….mmmmmmm-kay

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A good friend of mine is an assistant county attorney for a MN county. He said drug-related offenses account for ~80% of crime in that county.

i cut my lawn this afternoon in this heat and humidity……and i got a wee bit heated!!!!

i shot a few glasses of water afterwards!!!!!