Fish finder quit working… suggestions?

  • red89
    Hudson
    Posts: 918
    #1294968

    My dad has a hummingbird in the front of his boat and one at the console. The front one is a 500 series I believe, and it quit working this fall. Now i know the unit is good because we plugged it into the console mount and it worked. But when plugged in up front it wont turn on. Its hooked up to the terrova with universal sonar also.

    My possible ideas:
    1. There is a light that runs off the boat batteries that has a long cord that runs into the corner of one of the side compartments. I was using it one night when we got home to clean out the boat and the light quit working. I can’t tell where the cord goes, so its hard to track it back to the battery to check for extra fuses or breaks.
    2. The trolling motor was not running at full speed so to check if it was a fuse problem, we bipassed one fuse to connect the cable directly to the positive on one of the batteries. Well the fuse was definitely the problem cause when we turned on the motor it cranked at full speed and a little smoke came out of the trolling motor power plug in. Could this have burned up the transducer in the trolling motor or something?

    I’m assuming this would be a difficult thing to figure out unless you could look at the wiring, but if you have any ideas it would be helpful. The fuses by the back battery are all good, so I can’t figure it out.

    mojogunter
    Posts: 3303
    #844499

    If it won’t start up in front, but does at the council it has to be a blown fuse or bad connection up front. Sounds as though your trolling motor has a short too. Start following the wires back until you find the problem, or run new wires. Don’t try to run the trolling motor with a short and no fuse. You may ruin the motor at the very least or start a fire.

    mark-bruzek
    Two Harbors, MN
    Posts: 3869
    #844502

    1. If the trolling mrt wont run full there is prob, a fault somewhere in the power. this is anywhere between the batt and the motor itself. Id start by using a volt meter on the plug in and make sure you are drawing 12-13 volts. Hell, test the batt too. A test light will not be sufficient for this as it will light but would still do so on a lower voltage. Keep in mind the problem could be in the pedal or motor unit too, but not as likely as an issue in the boats wireing.

    2. if the HB wont work up front it is a wireing issue. you should have a seperate run just for the unit, dont splice off the lights or bow mount.

    4. the universal transducer has nothing to do with the fact that the unit wont power on.

    5. Some sonar will not run if power dips below 12v so it would be my guess that the problem lies in the wireing somewhere.

    3. you are going to have to get dirty to fix this, possibly run new wires too. call me crazy but it sounds fun to me. – Mark

    weldon
    Rochester, Mn
    Posts: 304
    #844536

    As suggested, measure the voltage with a voltmeter. (cost is about $10 – $20 at a home center).

    I would try initially with the trolling motor running to create a load on your system to check first the battery, then the voltage at your trolling motor to determine whether there is significant line loss between the two points.

    The drop in voltage will occur where there is a crimp connection, splice in the line, or small break in the insulation where water point can penetrate and corrode the copper wiring. The amount of voltage loss depends on the current load and the amount of resistance in the line. Any corrosion in connections should result in increased resistance and therefore a voltage drop across connections at that point.

    The battery without load should be slightly above 12V. If it drops quickly to below 10V, then there likely would be a shorted cell or very weak battery.

    The same would apply to the sonar, except is has a much smaller current load, so as a result, will have less voltage drop across corroded junctions. However, what you are looking for is that the voltages stays above 10V. For the sonar, you should not see very little drop, perhaps worst case, one might expect to see about 0.2V below the battery voltage. If you can follow the line and find any crimp connectors, use a stiff wire or large needle to probe into these points to test their supply level.

    To check for current draw of the sonar, one can use the current (amperage) measurement of the voltmeter which will require you to move the connections to the meter to the appropriate locations and switch the dial over to the settings for current.

    Then, insert the voltmeter’s leads in series with the sonar’s power. Current draw should be the same whether directly attached to the battery as you had done previously, as would be at the end of the wire.

    It should be apparent, that these meters are good for measuring about 10 amps of current, so I don’t think I would do this with the trolling motor.

    And, a note of caution… If you short the battery while doing the current measurements, you can fry your wires, so be very careful to avoid shorting any of the supply side wires to ground! Far better to have a 2nd set of hands and/or even to use black plastic tape to insulate your connections to the meter while doing these instead of trying to juggle holding two connections and not making a mistake and accidentally grounding a supply line.

    I have an inexpensive Eagle Fisheasy 240 that I used to take some reference measurements that might be of some help to you. Using a small 12V lead acid battery to power this, the initial battery reading is 12.6V and drops to a steady 12.4V with the sonar powered. Putting the meter into the current measurement setting and inserting the leads in series with the supply to the sonar, the current draw is measured at 300 mA with the backlight on and 250 mA with the backlight off.

    I have a old analog meter which I bought from Radio Shack years ago. While measuring the current draw, I noted that the meter shows three distinct jumps each 1 second interval which I expect is due to the operation of the sonar.

    Without hooking up an oscilloscope with a series resistance, I have no way of knowing how much peak current the sonar draws during operation, but it obviously spikes upward, so one would expect the maximum supply loss to occur while the sonar is operating.

    Hope this is helpful!

    red89
    Hudson
    Posts: 918
    #844519

    A couple other things…

    The batteries are all good. The trolling motor works fine now, like I said, the fuse was bad so we put a different one on there. We only ran it without the fuse for a second to test it. I am pretty certain that the front hummingbird still runs off the back battery like the rest of the electronics. Aren’t most boats set up to only run the trolling motor off the front batteries?

    I also thought it was very strange that that light quit working and then a couple days later we noticed the sonar wasn’t working… no correlation between the two?

    weldon
    Rochester, Mn
    Posts: 304
    #844575

    It is a little difficult to give advice without visually seeing the boat and wiring. I reread your posting and it seems from what you describe is that the sonar might be integrated into the motor of the trolling motor assembly? My response was assuming it had a separate transducer mounting and was separate, but then I reread your description and take note of the comment about smoke coming from the trolling motor, even though it now is working… So this has me wondering about your setup.

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    Your posting…
    2. The trolling motor was not running at full speed so to check if it was a fuse problem, we bipassed one fuse to connect the cable directly to the positive on one of the batteries. Well the fuse was definitely the problem cause when we turned on the motor it cranked at full speed and a little smoke came out of the trolling motor power plug in. Could this have burned up the transducer in the trolling motor or something?
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    What seems odd to me is that if the fuse was burned, then one would not have a motor running at all. So one would infer from your information, that the fuse was good and that there was some debris, corrosion or something in either the fuse assembly or alternately, in some connector that you may have plugged or unplugged at the time that you did this work.

    I would be inclined to think that this is going to be a completely independent event with respect to the light having gone out. This is because I would not expect the light to share the same power (wire) source as the trolling motor other than perhaps directly at the battery. The light might get power either directly from the battery or alternately, might should have it’s own fuse and a switch somewhere to turn it on/off at your console.

    Have you a voltmeter and able to take some measurements as suggested? I see you are located in Winona, so Menards would have some relatively inexpensive voltmeters that would work fine for checking this out.

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