Food plot tractor?

  • todders
    Shoreview, MN
    Posts: 723
    #204522

    We finally have a place to store a tractor and it’s time to start shopping ! The question is shopping for what . I have a rough idea but wanted to hear from some experienced food plotters. My main questions are on horsepower, brand and combinations of implements? I want to be able to plant between 20-30 acres a season of all sorts of variety in areas between 1/4 acre to 6 acres large. If I had to guess right now I would say 50 horse, John deer or kubota, 4 wheel drive and 3 point. For implements I was thinking a no till planter, roto tiller, brush cutter and cultipacker? Wondering if any of you had to start from scratch what you would buy? I also have the luxury of not ” needing” any of this until before next spring so I can spend some time shopping thanks for any input and suggestions, I currently know next to nothing about heavy equipment like this but I need to get started.

    bob_bergeson
    cannon falls
    Posts: 2798
    #107464

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    We finally have a place to store a tractor and it’s time to start shopping ! The question is shopping for what . I have a rough idea but wanted to hear from some experienced food plotters. My main questions are on horsepower, brand and combinations of implements? I want to be able to plant between 20-30 acres a season of all sorts of variety in areas between 1/4 acre to 6 acres large. If I had to guess right now I would say 50 horse, John deer or kubota, 4 wheel drive and 3 point. For implements I was thinking a no till planter, roto tiller, brush cutter and cultipacker? Wondering if any of you had to start from scratch what you would buy? I also have the luxury of not ” needing” any of this until before next spring so I can spend some time shopping thanks for any input and suggestions, I currently know next to nothing about heavy equipment like this but I need to get started.


    for 30 acres 50 hp minimum, 4 wheel wheel drive optional but recommended Kubota, John Deere New Holland are all good choices for tractors I am buying the Jungman no till 3 point 3 row planter for the corn and soybeans, the tiller would be nice for your fall plots but not needed for your corn and soybeans if you bought the no till planter. a cultipacker is a must when planting large plots of brassicas or clover.

    flatlandfowler
    SC/SW MN
    Posts: 1081
    #107472

    For general recommendations I would say:
    Tractor: 50hp or greater. 4wd is a plus, not always necessary and depending on the year class of tractor/price you are looking at this might not be an available option. 3-point is close to a must especially depending on implements you buy. Im a John Deere boy my self, but a solid well kept tractor is just that. If not buying a some what new tractor I would recommend putting the emphasis on previous owner, up keep, and consider any hydraulic implements you plan to buy and the hydraulic adaptors to each implement (can get to be a big burden). I also strongly recommend a wide front tractor if buying older models (not narrow/2-wheels paired under hood).

    Implements:
    No-till planter would be great. Other than a no-till I would also recommend a plate planter, or 3-point mounted planter. Any of these would be great options.

    Brush Cutter is a great implement to have

    Cultipacker is a great implement if planting alot of larger brassica plots. If these plots are going to be small you can either buy a small 4 wheeler packer or pack with 4 wheeler tires.

    Tiller- Would be an awesome tool for small and mid sized plots. But in my honest opinion I don’t think you need or would want to run a tiller for planting say a 6 acre corn/bean plot. Could get very time consuming. They are awesome tools and I wish I had the money to buy one, but totally impractical for most all my plots.

    My brother and I bought all of our equipment over a period of about 2 years. We did not have a huge budget so we searched and waited around for deals on used equipment. Everything from old equipment around the farm, family friends, craigs list, and driving to farm houses with old equipment visible from the road.

    If I had to do it again, Im not sure I would change much other than budget I would say to successfully plant our 27 acres of plots (corn, beans, small grains, brassica, clover, sorghum) I would be looking for this:

    Tractor: Older model John deere 3010/4010, Allis D19, or comparably International. I would for sure get a wide front tractor and be looking at diesel models. ($5k range)

    Tillage: I would pick up an old disc that has the capacity to support a hydraulic cylinder. Get a cylinder off a farm auction that closely matches my hydraulic needs ($300 for disc, $100 for cylinder). Also I would buy an old Ag digger ($500 range or less with another $100 cylinder).

    Brush Cutter: Buy a used 3-point woods mower, or old school 2-4 row stock cutter. ($100-500).

    Planter: I would buy any decent deal on a 3-point 3-4 row planter, 4 row plate planter, or old 6 row air seeder and convert it to a 4 row 30″. I would also buy a large capacity 24 volt broad cast seeder for small grains and fertilizer. Buy one that either mounts, or could be fabricated to mount to 3-point on tractor. ($250-500 depending on size).

    Extras: I would be sure to have a rigid harrow/yard rake that can be drug by 4 wheeler in order to really break up brassica plots so large chunks don’t bury seed during packing ($20-40). Cultipacker, probably in the larger 4 wheeler size so that it is easily drained and moved/transported along with drag in one trip to plot as well as accessible to small kill plots ($100-250 new). Sprayer, 25 gallon 4 wheeler capacity with extendable booms, build a mount for either 3-point or 4 wheeler rack ($300 new). Other than that, Id say some small hand broad cast seeders for small secluded kill plots.

    I guess alot of choices depend on money for equipment, and time to put it to good use. I know this got long (sorry), but hopefully you or someone else reading this can utilize it in one way or another. Good luck with finding your desired equipment and hope it helped out

    todders
    Shoreview, MN
    Posts: 723
    #107481

    Not long winded at all, there is a lot of good info in there. 4wd is a must for me, learn that the hard way every time . We have a respectable budget and renting implements as needed is not out the question. I want everything I need but nothing more and nothing less (I know that’s not exactly reasonable ). I am pretty well set up with atv equipment, but the food plots just keep getting bigger thanks for the replies!

    todders
    Shoreview, MN
    Posts: 723
    #107484

    How about some good places to shop for tractors?

    bob_bergeson
    cannon falls
    Posts: 2798
    #107485

    Here is the no till planter I was talking about. You can plant corn and soybeans without the plow,disc,etc in 1 pass
    I know your soil well and Know that your biggest struggle in the spring planting will be excessive moisture and the lack of growing days. that being said the no till option would work very good for you as you know I plant many acres up in your neck of the woods and the timetable to get the seed in the ground is very short
    http://www.growbrutebucks.com/videos/showcategory.php?id=84

    flatlandfowler
    SC/SW MN
    Posts: 1081
    #107488

    If you got the money, and looking at minimal equipment, the obvious choices would be tractor, no till planter, tiller, cultipacker, sprayer, and broadcaster. If you are looking at 50hp or greater 4wd tractor built in the last two decades be prepared to be seeing alot in the 20k range.

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    How about some good places to shop for tractors?


    Some solid deals can be found a couple different ways.
    1) call up some local dealers, tell um what your looking for w/price range and tell um keep an eye out. There are alot of dealers with some form of connection/partners/ect that move equipment around. Our local JD dealer pulls from other MN, IA, WS, SD and even Idaho spots.
    2) fastline.com Internet site and also a published mag that can be found at some gas stations/dealers/coops. Local classifieds and dealer ads. Website lets your narrow searches down to your specific wants.
    3) Good old craigs list. I have seen way more over priced equipment here than anything, but always worth keeping an eye out.

    flatlandfowler
    SC/SW MN
    Posts: 1081
    #107489

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    Here is the no till planter I was talking about.


    That thing looks like the cat’s meow! What do they get for a 3 row w/fert? I wish I had the budget to throw at one of these, but $5200 just for the 2 row? Could plant some serious plots with that thing though

    Todders- I was just thinking, have you checked with your local NRCS (Natural Resource Conservation Service) to see if they have a no till drill or planter you could rent? I know our local one has a no till drill they use for prairie restoration and CRP plantings. Might be worth a call. If I recall correctly, I think Randy W from the site here also used them to rent a planter for his land. Might be worth looking into

    todders
    Shoreview, MN
    Posts: 723
    #107491

    Googling nrcs in the morning, that planter looks awesome : thanks for the info, machinery gets more amazing everytime I learn something!

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #107498

    There is a newsletter call the “Green Sheet” in SD. It has lots of used stuff on there. My dad has picked up several pieces of equipment this way. Might be out of your way a bit, but you never know what you can save.

    Green Sheet

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22554
    #107523

    The also have a used tractor paper, they give away in the gas stations, kinda like the auto shopper, but tractors.

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