H-S Percision review from Shot Show

  • Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13661
    #1503465

    I got a few PM asking about HSP, so rather than answering individually, here you go. My feelings on what they do.
    In addition to my responsibilities of working booths at the Shot Show, I was able to get out and squeeze my way through the crowd for awhile. I’ve had a long time bucket list of accomplishing 2 things – 1. Participate in a few F-Class events 2. Complete a 2000yrd shot at a 24″ target. So, I’ve been a study of the craft for the last few years and doing all I can to learn more.

    For years, I’ve been plinking targets with my hunting rifles at 400 to 500 yrds. Years of learning the right way to reload and brass prep has extended that distance out to 900+ yrds. All with hand loads, hunting grade bullets, and factory rifles. So, now I’m taking baby steps towards the ledge of jumping into a $4,000 rifle to complete my goals. Some guys have a collection of nice cars…well, I have fishing rods and rifles.
    So anyways, back to shot show. I had the pleasure and privileged of talking to a number of snipers, world class shooters, and the worlds finest builders. Y^ou would think that after talking to 6 , 10, 15, or more people that you would begin to just tune things out. However just the opposite. The more people I talked to, a couple of very common details were repeated over and over again. Center axis had by far been referenced more than any other thing for a build out. So as I talked with builders and listened to their methodology, a couple of guys rose to the top. These were the guys that I returned to to have very in depth conversations with. Most importantly, I got to talk with the guys that are hands on in the shop. These are the guys responsible for physically putting it all together and making it happen.
    Though it won’t happen soon enough, I am thrilled to spend my money with H-S Precision. Poor Kent – I know I’ll drive this guy nuts, but he had the patience of a saint, the knowledge of Encyclopedia Britannica, and the endorsement of everyone I talked to for references.
    Kent walked me through every detail of every component from the butt to the muzzle and all the whys/hows,…. . I got to go through their HTR model which is specifically designed for tactical use and long range. This goes back to that earlier comment of Center of Axis. The action, which is the heart of a rifle needs to be the truest of all components. Their process begins there and focuses on everything being true to that. A perfectly straight action will receive and perfectly center it’s bolt. The Threads need to perfectly in line from the center of axis to be centered to the barrel. Next incorporates the ability to control the throat accuracy and depth, along with, the bore of the barrel and the rifling.

    Barrels were the next thing that fascinated me. Talking with companies that crank out 100’s of barrels a day…compared to guys who make 4 or 5 a day. When hearing the details of how they test, polish, cut, …. Vs out of the machine and toss in a box, you know who really cares about what they are doing. These guys are 100% committed to building a barrel that has nearly perfect tolerances.

    After talking to a lot of machinists, I was surprised at how much variances come out of as CNC machine. In a world where “automated parts” can crank out by the thousands, you find that .ooo1 can equal .001. Because a machine starts at a
    reference point (often outside edge) they don’t start from the center axis. They also can have a variance in each direction of length, width, and depth. This can be ok for some parts, but if you want the precision of center, in my opinion it leaves some slop to be dealt with.

    Next was their triggers. Every long distance guy I talk to will describe “the element of surprise” as you touch the trigger. When I inquire about creep, they often look at me with a puzzled face like I never touched a good rifle before. The idea is to have a trigger that is so crisp and clean with a perfect break. The HTR I dry-fired had a 2-1/2# trigger. I could not predict the break point to save my life. It was so different from the feel of any other trigger I squeezed before. You didn’t realize your building any pressure on it. You just simply relax and touch it off. As much as I love my Howa’s adjustable trigger and can drop it down to a feather’s touch…its nowhere as crisp as this.

    Stock options are about endless. Rather than molded composite or simple injection molding, they layer Kevlar, fiberglass cloth, and fiber carbon. The actions rest in aluminum bedding blocks that are very different from what we normally see. You pop a rifle off of a hunter grade synthetic stock and you see maybe a molded in steel pin and the rest is molded plastic. HSP uses and entire “system” to bed in the stock to assure nothing will ever move. They are so proud of their stock systems that they put a lifetime warranty to it. From there, all the whistle and bells are available to make it a perfect fit.

    The distance shooters I talked to (independently of HSP) all said the same thing. HS will guarantee 1/2MOA and give you the load data for that. But once at home, you can continue to tweak that load and still get it much better. This coming from guys that I personally know that shoot well beyond 1400 and 1600 yrds

    Now…I have to choose a caliber.

    Jeff Heeg
    USA
    Posts: 104
    #1503633

    Randy

    I knew the bug would get to you sooner or later, just be wise about how you talk about it in public )

    Nice write up, Thanks

    JH

    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13661
    #1503654

    Paul, I was in their booth, but didn’t get a chance to talk to anyone. Wasn’t able to obtain any info. I know they were busy on media day, and their names came up frequently with a few shooters.

    JH – Yep, I have the bug really bad now….

    Fisherpaul
    Posts: 214
    #1503686

    I got to fondle one once wish I could have shot it. But man was it the nices rifle I’ve ever held. NOw I’m drooling over the HS rifles too chased

    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13661
    #1503831

    Paul, like my daughters taught me when they wanted an additional cookie

    “One for each hand?”

    Jeff Heeg
    USA
    Posts: 104
    #1503937

    I got to fondle one once wish I could have shot it. But man was it the nices rifle I’ve ever held. NOw I’m drooling over the HS rifles too chased

    Paul
    If you ever get the urge to shoot, let me know.
    Their not any of the HS models, but?

    JH

    Fisherpaul
    Posts: 214
    #1504188

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Paul Lehnertz wrote:</div>
    I got to fondle one once wish I could have shot it. But man was it the nices rifle I’ve ever held. NOw I’m drooling over the HS rifles too  :chased:

    Paul
    If you ever get the urge to shoot, let me know.
    Their not any of the HS models, but?

    JH

    Oh good lord! That would just kill me over the summer. I think the wife would use it on me if I bought one instead of the new furnace and central air unit this spring for our house. LOL

    FYI… If anyone is in N. Dak ever my little bro lives in the country by Hankinson and has a range out to 2500 Yrs. Fun to stretch out the rifles there.

    Jeff Heeg
    USA
    Posts: 104
    #1504581

    Paul
    Didn’t mean to get you into a life and death situation, looks as if you get to shoot ELR with your little bro anyways. The offer was thrown out.

    Randy
    What cal are you looking at in your quest to stretch things out some?

    300 Norma Mag
    338LM
    338 edge
    375 Chey Tac
    other

    JH

    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13661
    #1504591

    Considering 6 or 6.5 for the initial. Then….338lupa seems to be the natural route, but still not sure. I’ve shot a few bmgs at 1000 already. That’s almost cheating….but the that rumble is awesome

    Fisherpaul
    Posts: 214
    #1504724

    I’d like a .338 Lup. some day. Little bro has an Ar-50 I could use until he moved. The shock wave off the muzzle break is something else that’s for sure. I don’t miss paying for rounds though. Although a big pile of tannerite jugs at 1000 yrds is fun to see go off. Here’s a couple of shorter shot from the lil bro bach party with the 50 and tannerite at the Princeton Range when we lived in the metro. The place gets messy out there but its fun to shoot there.

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    Fisherpaul
    Posts: 214
    #1504734

    Paul
    Didn’t mean to get you into a life and death situation, looks as if you get to shoot ELR with your little bro anyways. The offer was thrown out.

    Randy
    What cal are you looking at in your quest to stretch things out some?

    300 Norma Mag
    338LM
    338 edge
    375 Chey Tac
    other

    JH

    Nothing life or death. only if I went and bough the rife. LOL. She does enjoy shooting too once and a while. I can’t wait until my lil guys can learn to shoot 22 myself.

    Jeff Heeg
    USA
    Posts: 104
    #1505077

    The 338LM would be a sweet build, some cool stuff I have stumbled across as far as pics.

    Randy
    Can you get the HS in different caliber’s or is it dedicated around the 308?

    Pictures
    Someone at Ft. McCoy in WI.
    Display in a reloading room.

    JH

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    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13661
    #1505084

    Different calibers. we discussed 6mm and up. I didn’t get specific in caliber with the exception of discussing 6mm Vs the 6.5’s used in F-Class

    Jeff Heeg
    USA
    Posts: 104
    #1505089

    Either a 260 or 6.5×47
    Excellent accuracy
    Low recoil for follow up shots

    2800 to 2900 fps range

    could be interesting

    JH

    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13661
    #1505106

    That 260 intrigues me. nearly 60,000psi, 2900fps muz, ….. lots of options

    Jeff Heeg
    USA
    Posts: 104
    #1505113

    Pulled this off another area, kinda interesting

    I went with the 260 with a 26″ 8 twist Brux , probably my favorite rifle to shoot and extremely accurate.

    I just got done loading up 50 rounds the other day for a up and coming shoot, with that said I just finished the second 1000 round primmer box. So with 2000 rounds down the barrel it’s still a gun to recon with.

    review

    AICS chassis
    26″ Brux 8 twist MTU
    Stiller Action with 20 moa rail
    Vortex Razor – scope

    Lapua Brass — Annealed every round and sized with Full length Bushing dies
    139 gr Scenars — my rifle favored 30 thou off lands
    coal at this time 2880
    all 10 round AI mags with front plate out ( very easy) allows 2970 max
    H4350 powder
    CCI BR2 primers
    2850 fps

    As stated this rifle still shoots extremely well

    After your quick break in measure your max length to the lands and record info
    Then when you find your sweet spot load record the jump
    As your barrel erodes you will always be able to bump your bullet out every 500 rounds or so to get back to that perfect jump area to keep you on top of your game a few notes makes life easy.

    JH

    Fisherpaul
    Posts: 214
    #1506060

    Pulled this off another area, kinda interesting

    I went with the 260 with a 26″ 8 twist Brux , probably my favorite rifle to shoot and extremely accurate.

    I just got done loading up 50 rounds the other day for a up and coming shoot, with that said I just finished the second 1000 round primmer box. So with 2000 rounds down the barrel it’s still a gun to recon with.

    review

    AICS chassis
    26″ Brux 8 twist MTU
    Stiller Action with 20 moa rail
    Vortex Razor – scope

    Lapua Brass — Annealed every round and sized with Full length Bushing dies
    139 gr Scenars — my rifle favored 30 thou off lands
    coal at this time 2880
    all 10 round AI mags with front plate out ( very easy) allows 2970 max
    H4350 powder
    CCI BR2 primers
    2850 fps

    As stated this rifle still shoots extremely well

    After your quick break in measure your max length to the lands and record info
    Then when you find your sweet spot load record the jump
    As your barrel erodes you will always be able to bump your bullet out every 500 rounds or so to get back to that perfect jump area to keep you on top of your game a few notes makes life easy.

    JH

    Man this is a good read. I’m learning a few things here! I like it!
    I’m still reading up on Suppressors. I’d like one someday for my .308 We’ll see. My little brother just finished his Living trust for his for his 1911. Just something he’s always wanted from Lauer Customs (sp?) he says. I’m been reading up on accuracy and how they help out. And it would be nice to quiet it down a bit. It’s been interesting reading.

    I’m looking forward to seeing what you build Randy. I’ve learned a hell of a lot from your posts over the years. I still want to copy for Howa too! That by far is still my favorite rifle you’ve talked about!

    Jeff Heeg
    USA
    Posts: 104
    #1507182

    I will admit, I live, eat and dream about pushing the limits and doing what most say can’t be done.

    There are so many closets that could be opened and info to research and share.

    Accuracy and its limits are only to be understood and pushed to new levels.

    Thanks Randy and please continue to tweak and pry open those areas of equipment and accuracy to come.

    This is a awesome long range equipment and info thread.

    JH

    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13661
    #1507456

    Joe, I agree. This is one of the few I printed out in hard copy and added to my file.

    I really want to start this build NOW…but lots to learn yet before dropping that kind of money

    Fisherpaul
    Posts: 214
    #1507530

    “After your quick break in measure your max length to the lands and record info
    Then when you find your sweet spot load record the jump
    As your barrel erodes you will always be able to bump your bullet out every 500 rounds or so to get back to that perfect jump area to keep you on top of your game a few notes makes life easy.”
    Had to print this one out. I have try this!

    Jeff Heeg
    USA
    Posts: 104
    #1512868

    Looking at the averages it seems that when shooting the

    6.5s, the twist rate floats between 8 and 8.5 mattering if you are using 123s and 130s to the heavier 139s and 140s.
    Barrel lenght ave 24″ to 26″

    338 LM, the twist rate floats between 9.5 and 10 with the 250s, 285s and 300s
    Barrel lenght ave 27″ to 30″ some

    JH

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