Gotta love MPLS

Joe Jarl wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Riverrat wrote:</div>
Curious when the last time anyone on this thread made minimum wage.

Not positive I ever worked for minimum wage, but if I did, it would’ve been around 1989. Problem with those that want to always raise it, they say it should be a “living wage”. Minimum wage will never be a living wage for the reasons fishthumper stated. Never.

I worked for less than minimum wage in 2023 with one of my jobs. The farm we run leasing out land lost money again despite the hours poured in with upkeep, selling hay, planting trees, etc. My accountant told me so.

To the topic at hand, I really don’t see them pulling out of the TC Metro area. They’ve made money this long at the current rates and grown exponentially in the last decade. It can’t be by penny shaving margins. My guess is something else will be negotiated. It doesn’t seem like this is the place for government intervention though…and surely not by a crazy City Council of all things as Grouse alluded to

Reef W “Do the socialism hating wagon pullers ( lol ) here know they’re disproportionally paying for public assistance of these drivers vs other workers in Minnesota while Uber made a billion dollars last year?”

Do you hate socialism?

This move must help the city of MPLS? right? what does the Counsel give for a reason or how will the city benefit?

suzuki wrote:

Do you hate socialism?

Especially when it’s taxpayers subsidizing the ability of profitable corporations to underpay their workers.

They will use the extra money to pay for rent, health and auto insurance, child support, food, ect. You know basically get off the public dime.

Right?

Eelpoutguy wrote:

Glad I moved from that place 30 years ago.

Uber, Lyft say they’ll leave May 1 after Minneapolis City Council overrides Frey veto
Uber said it will leave the entire metro, including the airport. Lyft said it would cease operations in Minneapolis May 1, when the ordinance takes effect.

It’s not just down there. It’s all of Minnesota. Our commie county board and socialist city council in GR are horrible. Many people are leaving just the county. There’s like myself are leaving the whole damn state.

suzuki wrote:

Do you hate socialism?

YES!

Wade Boardman wrote:

It’s not just down there. It’s all of Minnesota. Our commie county board and socialist city council in GR are horrible.

You’re actually right here. Technically the situation could unfold in any urban location in the entire state. I could see the city of Duluth or Rochester passing a similar ordinance. Then what’s gonna happen, they gonna start pulling out of the whole state? C’mon

I’ll flip a friend or a family member a few bucks and a dinner out for a ride before I’d spend a penny on any of these ride-share rackets.

Sounds like Reef is up for giving rides for minimum wage.

Why don’t these soon to be out of work people get together and start their own ride share company? Then they can pay themselves the $1000 per hour they think they deserve.

big_g wrote:

I did a double take this morning.. skipping through channels, one of the MPR stations was talking about this.. they said Lyft, Uber, Door Dash are flawed business’… they had a time and place during the pandemic, but now they are not sustainable as they are. When you hear MPR saying something, you know which party is backing it.

That’s funny our president was saying in a press conference last summer how those were “career businesses” for young people. I laughed out loud at the tv then

Since transportation needs to be cheap according to some perhaps government could take over the airlines and give free flights (one way) out of the state to those who don’t like it here.

Uber and the others are a “for profit” business. The city & government needs to keep their nose out of things. If the drivers aren’t making enough money get a different job, if they aren’t making minimum wage sue them. The government shouldn’t be dictating what a business can or can’t do. If they conduct their service in a legal manner within the laws it will survive or fail on it’s own.

Very well stated Dutchboy!!

Apparently this exact situation unfolded in Austin, TX. They pulled out of that city for a year and then returned.

Every country has socialism, every country has capitalism. We are cooperative & we are competitive so both will exist-The question is what is the best balance of the two.

The problem is that the drivers are only getting paid 25¢ to 50¢ per mile and they have to cover all their own expenses including tires, gas, insurance, maintenance etc.
Uber/Lyft keep everything the passenger pays above that.
Hoe much driving would *you* do for 50¢?

The problem is insurance. Without having a large established corporation commercial insurance will cost individual drivers $1000 to $5000 per month. Most drivers don’t make that in a month.
That’s over and above the required personal insurance.

gimruis wrote:

Apparently this exact situation unfolded in Austin, TX. They pulled out of that city for a year and then returned.

They pulled out of Austin for a month.

Atavar wrote:

The problem is that the drivers are only getting paid 25¢ to 50¢ per mile and they have to cover all their own expenses including tires, gas, insurance, maintenance etc.
Uber/Lyft keep everything the passenger pays above that.
Hoe much driving would *you* do for 50¢?

So, is it the companies problem for paying that wage or the drivers problem for accepting that wage? Drivers are free to go get another job that pays more. The company is free to go broke if there aren’t drivers for customers. Keep the government out of it, it’s a free market things will work themselves out.

Atavar wrote:

The problem is that the drivers are only getting paid 25¢ to 50¢ per mile and they have to cover all their own expenses including tires, gas, insurance, maintenance etc.
Uber/Lyft keep everything the passenger pays above that.
Hoe much driving would *you* do for 50¢?

Sounds like the drivers problem. Why they take the job if they didn’t like the pay. There is plenty of jobs out there.
Next wee should make sure the door dash guys are making well over minimum wage as well.
I was taught as a kid that a minimum wage job was never designed to make a living off of. And that’s still the case.

Atavar wrote:

They pulled out of Austin for a month.

MPR News reports they left for a year. Second sentence of the article.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2024/03/15/uber-lyft-minneapolis-minnesota-how-their-departure-and-return-played-out-in-austin-tx

Atavar wrote:

The problem is that the drivers are only getting paid 25¢ to 50¢ per mile and they have to cover all their own expenses including tires, gas, insurance, maintenance etc.
Uber/Lyft keep everything the passenger pays above that.
Hoe much driving would *you* do for 50¢?

Atavar wrote:

The problem is insurance. Without having a large established corporation commercial insurance will cost individual drivers $1000 to $5000 per month. Most drivers don’t make that in a month.
That’s over and above the required personal insurance.

These are all easily provable lies, even from the BS study used to push this change (linked below). They have the annual insurance at $2664, and the per mile rate at $0.89. Not sure where you pulled that nonsense from, but try and do better if you want to have a productive conversation.

https://dli.mn.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/TNC_driver_earnings_analysis_pay_standard_options_report_030824.pdf

If the drivers have the right to get another job, they also have a right to demand more pay. Just like you have the right to walk if you don’t like it. They aren’t asking for subsidies or government handouts so that’s already better than most professions in the state including farming, construction, and manufacturing. They haven’t formed a massive union to change legislation to favor the unionized workers like the painters. In Austin they left because of extensive government overreach. poop if these guys were orange they would be your new conservative hero’s.

Uber and Lyft are a mainstay for the 21 – 30 year old crowd and the convention goers that no longer have to risk driving after drinking. It is a huge improvement in safety.

Young people put in the wrong situation (driver friend is drunk, bad date, etc) can schedule an Uber or Lyft and get out of tenuous situations.

Uber and Lyft are so much better than traditional cabs. Surveys often share that people that never would take a cab use these two “rider shares” without hesitation.

No one is forced to be an Uber or Lyft driver. It offers decent wages (estimate at around $18 – $20/hour) for people that may find it difficult to find equivalent paying jobs based on their work history, language, etc…

Uber and Lyft drivers are not employees of the company. They are independent contractors. Drivers can work for both and some do. Uber does not pay benefits and I believe they do not deduct for SS and medicare. Vehicle costs are the driver’s responsibilities. That said when an Uber driver is carrying passengers … the driver, vehicle, and passengers are under Uber’s insurance plan.

Most grocery and food delivery drivers and some package delivery service drivers also operate as independent contractors. In MN, Priority Courier/Vanex drivers are independent contractors … unlike UPS and FedEx whose drivers are employees.

Legislation was introduced in the Minnesota house yesterday that would cancel the Minneapolis city council’s increase and make setting wages for ride-sharing drivers the purview of the state government.

Let’s hope it passes.

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

Legislation was introduced in the Minnesota house yesterday that would cancel the Minneapolis city council’s increase and make setting wages for ride-sharing drivers the purview of the state government.

Let’s hope it passes.

I don’t like either the Minneapolis City Council or the State Government getting involved in this wage issue at all. Let the Market set the price of the service

Simply let the market decide. The wages and prices should always follow the market. If the pay is too low then people will quit driving and the supply will go down and then the demand will go up which should raise prices/wages and now you’ve made a full circle.

If it’s so profitable and saves lives why doesn’t the city create there own taxi service. With all the extra money they make they could reduce taxes.