Gotta have my steak!

tindall wrote:

? As someone else stated, aren’t people just eating the food at home instead of at a restaurant, and wouldn’t the supply chains that bring food to a restaurant be able to divert that to a store (I assume Chipotle doesn’t receive live pigs)?

I don’t know which restaurants, or the hows it came to be behind it, but a local church by me takes in semi loads of food from such places and gives all it out for free. My wife went couple days ago, and they ask how many in the family then proceed to hand out insane amounts of stuff. Whole box of lunch orange juices, I’m talking like 50 of the things, 6 packs of chicken breasts, dozen bag lunches, 4 bags of lunch meats, veggies, bread, list goes on. All of them close to expiration dates or just past. They want to just get rid of it for use. The pastrami I had today that expired yesterday was fantastic. They wanted to sign her up to come in next week and grab more.

Unbelievable things happening for the good all around us right now.

Deuces wrote:

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? As someone else stated, aren’t people just eating the food at home instead of at a restaurant, and wouldn’t the supply chains that bring food to a restaurant be able to divert that to a store (I assume Chipotle doesn’t receive live pigs)?

I don’t know which restaurants, or the hows it came to be behind it, but a local church by me takes in semi loads of food from such places and gives all it out for free. My wife went couple days ago, and they ask how many in the family then proceed to hand out insane amounts of stuff. Whole box of lunch orange juices, I’m talking like 50 of the things, 6 packs of chicken breasts, dozen bag lunches, 4 bags of lunch meats, veggies, bread, list goes on. All of them close to expiration dates or just past. They want to just get rid of it for use. The pastrami I had today that expired yesterday was fantastic. They wanted to sign her up to come in next week and grab more.

Unbelievable things happening for the good all around us right now.

That’s awesome and the word has to get out!

tindall wrote:

Whatever your view on the necessity of knowing how to butcher, if anyone knows of someone wanting to give away some live pigs or chickens or whatever I’ll take some.

As to the original question, is the overall consumption of food going down? As someone else stated, aren’t people just eating the food at home instead of at a restaurant, and wouldn’t the supply chains that bring food to a restaurant be able to divert that to a store (I assume Chipotle doesn’t receive live pigs)?

Or is it that the supply chains can’t change, are being shut down, or are running out of workers, which causes the euthanasia of animals?

I don’t see how “plants are shutting down” and “don’t worry there is plenty of meat” are compatible long term.

News reports have said that suppliers can’t easily switch their operations over from producing restaurant and food service portions to smaller ones that get sold in the grocery store. Milk to food service is packaged in big plastic bags. Eggs sold to food service are mostly sold in big batches of liquid to make into scrambled eggs. The same for meat.

I’ve also read that there won’t be a shortage since there is always a large amount of meat flash frozen and in storage. Especially for the cheaper meats like pork and chicken. Most Thanksgiving turkeys are killed months in advance of Thanksgiving, etc.

Beads, that sounds like Ruby’s Pantry. I personally have not been to one, but my mother has, and has helped distribute food with their church. Definitely a great thing to have, to utilize food that would otherwise likely be going to waste, even before this pandemic.

While Ruby’s Pantry is no doubt a great service for those who struggle with purchasing food, they do not limit it to income levels or anything like that. Anyone can come and accept the food that they’re handing out because it’s food surpluses.

https://www.rubyspantry.org

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Just heard yesterday from someone in my area that a farmer just brought 15 prime hogs to a sale and not one of them sold so he brought them home kept one for his family to eat and gave one to his neighbor to eat and had to kill and bury the other 13 couldn’t afford to keep feeding them , I can only imagine how it could affect some of these mass farming corporations

You think they could of easily found people to take free hogs instead of just killing them and going to waste

they could easily be butched and frozen,sold or donated.

Morel King wrote:

Just heard yesterday from someone in my area that a farmer just brought 15 prime hogs to a sale and not one of them sold so he brought them home kept one for his family to eat and gave one to his neighbor to eat and had to kill and bury the other 13 couldn’t afford to keep feeding them , I can only imagine how it could affect some of these mass farming corporations

sounds like more fake news. a simple ad on CL would have hundreds of families willing to take a whole hog. If you can’t afford to feed em, then stop. whats the worst that could happen? I am not a farmer but everyone is trying to figure out how to deal with todays situations and evidently some are having a hard time moving away from the same repititions done on a daily basis for the last 50 years. times have changed and if you can’t adapt to the new, then you will not survive……truth hurts

Just what I heard from my co worker , could be fake news but I doubt it ,why would the old boy who told him lie about that .from my understanding prime hogs are ready for market at certain time ,keep them longer they lose value based on weight age etc . I totally agree there is better ways too go about his business in not letting them go to waste but I’m not in his shoes I’m not about to play that game

Tyson Pork in Iowa City, IA has closed. Additionally, outbreaks are starting to emerge in Green Bay, WI at American Foods Group and JBS Beef. Despite how many of these meat processors having to close or reduce production, the USDA Secretary says there is no shortage of meat and people do not need to hoard it like they did with toilet paper…

Speaking of TP. My favorite story I have seen in awhile was the person who got denied a refund for 4800 rolls of toilet paper

My neighbors brother in law has a good sized hog operation in western MN. He had 200 hogs just about ready to go to processing and is now wondering what he will be able to do with them since the plants shutdown.
There has to be a better way to handle this and kill and bury. Such a waste. I am sure the farmer would rather give it away than do that after everything they have into them. Not sure if its like Beet farmers where they largely are contracted by processing facilities for X amt on X date and if the target number is hit they just leave it in the field. Those beet farmers still get paid as far as I know.

All I can say is WOW in a AG state like MN some are completely clueless… on how things work in the industry.

Would farmers have any liability if they gave away live animals?

CaptainMusky wrote:

Not sure if its like Beet farmers where they largely are contracted by processing facilities for X amt on X date and if the target number is hit they just leave it in the field. Those beet farmers still get paid as far as I know.

Typically in this case, the land is rented. Rent is paid irregardless of what the renter does with their crop.
Same with peas.

Specialized equipment and big crews that chase around the states during planting and harvest.

Peas and sugar beets have nothing in common.

braidyc wrote:

All I can say is WOW in a AG state like MN some are completely clueless… on how things work in the industry.

Care to enlighten the ignorant then? I mean, the state has a population of 5.5 million with 4 plus million of that in the twin cities, then Rochester, St Cloud and Duluth constitute the vast majority of the rest leaving little for rural MN where all this AG happens.

FishBlood&RiverMud wrote:

Typically in this case, the land is rented. Rent is paid irregardless of what the renter does with their crop.

That is more or less what I meant, but didnt say it correctly. Thank you for clarifying.

I think most commercial hog farmers have a contract with these processing plants. There is likely a clause in the contract that says they will get paid a certain percentage even if the animals are not able to be delivered. I don’t know this for sure, but the processing company may also actually own the animals. I know this to be true for the big poultry producers like Jennie-O, Gold n Plump, etc. They own the birds but the property is owned and managed by the private individual.

Unless, and even if there is some bullshit contract, the rules have changed. I’m am guesing a farmer could sell a pig to private people at the same, or more than they would get at the plant. There is no way that that the 2-3 middle men dont drive up the price significantly. Maybe it is time to think humanely more than legaly.

braidyc wrote:

All I can say is WOW in a AG state like MN some are completely clueless… on how things work in the industry.

Yes.

To those of you that wonder how to get one of these animals for “free”, contact a farmer, ask him for a “free” pig. Try and call a processor that typically owns these animal’s, that the farmer is housing and caring for under contract. See if you can get a “free” pig.

It’s not how it works. There are laws and lawyers that prevent this stuff from happening.

Also if you want a “free” pig. Just buy one and feed and house the “free” pig Maybe get 3 “free” pigs, and feed and house all 3 “free” pigs until time to butcher. Keep 1 “free” pig, and give 2 “free” pigs away. That way everyone could have a “free” pig.

Here’s a pretty informative video. From a podcast today. For those that aren’t sure how he pork industry works. It is long but very good. Geared towards non Ag aligned folks.

riverruns, you ruined it! I grew up on a farm and my father and brother are still there. Struggling through the trade war with China and now this. I was watching this thread and wondering when someone was going to step in and set the record straight! Entertaining and frustrating at the same time to see the level of ignorance concerning our food supply.

How about some pork.
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deertracker wrote:

How about some pork.
DT

How many folks are in a position to travel to Kerkhoven, trailer a pig elsewhere, butcher it, dispose of the carcass and care for the meat? x300? It’s a kind offer from Kendra Tofte but the logistics don’t work for the large majority of the population.

Of course it’s not “convenient” for the large portion of the population. I don’t think anyone is arguing that.

However, it’s meat….Too many people have lost touch with their instincts, and need something pre-wrapped and pre-seasoned in plastic and foam packaging.

All you would need is a pickup and possibly a gut barrel. I’m sure the farmer would be fine with you or him killing the animal on-site, tossing the guts in a barrel or the woods, and hauling it home with some ice in it…….kind of like….gasp…..hunting…..

Raise your hand if you butcher animals at home

If your garage has one of these in the ceiling too I think we’d get along

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Here’s mine in my garage

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Do our own deer every year. It’s a tradition I look forward to every fall. My uncle has a refrigerated keg trailer we quarter them up and hang in there. Don’t matter what the temp is outside we can hang deer

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Brad Dimond wrote:

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How about some pork.
DT

How many folks are in a position to travel to Kerkhoven, trailer a pig elsewhere, butcher it, dispose of the carcass and care for the meat? x300? It’s a kind offer from Kendra Tofte but the logistics don’t work for the large majority of the population.

This thread has 3 pages from guys complaining about animals going to waste and talking about how easy it is to cut up animals. I showed an example of meat for sale.
DT

B-man wrote:

All you would need is a pickup and possibly a gut barrel.

I can’t believe how out of touch you are…who needs a pickup and gut barrel?

I saw the offer for the hogs and borrowed ma’s Buick and went down and fetched one of those 300 pound porkers today.

She was so delighted when I delivered the animal to her 20th floor apartment.

Tarps on the living room floor for the slaughter and she keeps vats of acid to decompose the carcass before she runs the remaining goo down the garbage disposal.

Did you get your free pig today?

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Andy, we get it.

You live on the 20th floor in the city. That was your choice, not mine.

A lot of people that live on the 20th floor in the city are vegetarians anyway, except for wheat….Gluten is poison I hear.

Maybe we can organize a 5k walk around Lake Calhoun to raise money for lettuce and stuff for you to eat.

And no, I didn’t get a $100 pig today. I can’t justify a 7 hour drive from my two story home to save a couple bucks. If those pigs were free and a half hour away I’d be making hot laps and covered in blood

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All hail the manliest of men. No blood or gluten will make him quiver with fear.