If you can’t do it, better learn how or do without. And don’t come crying to anybody else if you choose not to learn.
Last I checked, google will spit out 14,000,000 million results in less than 0.65 seconds, on how to butcher a pig.
If we have gotten to the point in society where a large % of people cannot kill an animal and eat the meat we have failed entirely. No reason to put a perfectly good animal in the ground when there are people that could benefit from the meat out there. Laws or best practices be damned
nailed it
If we have gotten to the point in society where a large % of people cannot kill an animal and eat the meat we have failed entirely. No reason to put a perfectly good animal in the ground when there are people that could benefit from the meat out there. Laws or best practices be damned
I would say that the majority of society is unable to hunt, kill, and then butcher an animal, wild or domestic. Heck, how many deer hunters are in MN alone, maybe 500,000? The population as a whole in this state is 6.5 million so the you’re saying that we already have a failed society, correct? Just because someone doesn’t hunt, kill, or butcher an animal doesn’t mean they are a failure. I know a lot of people that simply buy their food from the grocery store rather than “living off the land.”
It ain’t just hogs –
Egg demand shifted, and 61,000 Minnesota chickens were euthanized
Contract egg farmer says his was one of five where the birds were killed early.
Kerry Mergen, a contract egg farmer near Albany, Minn., got word on a Wednesday the chickens in his barn would be euthanized. A crew showed up the next morning and started gassing the birds with carbon dioxide.
hunting is not part of the equation here. a farmer is handing you an animal. all you have to do is take its life and start cutting. apply fire and you have sustenance. If put in that situation and you are unable to do that – human existence in its most basic form for hundreds of thousands of years – then yes i would call you a failure. And as a society, if we have gone so far as to weed that ability out of people then yes i think we have failed as a society as well.
But now we have gotten off topic
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>crappie55369 wrote:</div>
If we have gotten to the point in society where a large % of people cannot kill an animal and eat the meat we have failed entirely. No reason to put a perfectly good animal in the ground when there are people that could benefit from the meat out there. Laws or best practices be damnedI would say that the majority of society is unable to hunt, kill, and then butcher an animal, wild or domestic. Heck, how many deer hunters are in MN alone, maybe 500,000? The population as a whole in this state is 6.5 million so the you’re saying that we already have a failed society, correct? Just because someone doesn’t hunt, kill, or butcher an animal doesn’t mean they are a failure. I know a lot of people that simply buy their food from the grocery store rather than “living off the land.”
This is the sad reality of the situation. I take people fishing all the time with me who want to take a few home. No big deal until we get to the cleaning station and they stand back with a disgusted look on their face while I’m cleaning their fish. Most people choose to ignore that the meat they eat was at one time a living breathing animal. Just like the ones I buy from the farm, harvest during hunting season, or catch on the lake. People who say what we do is cruel need to watch a video of a cow going through a slaughterhouse.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>crappie55369 wrote:</div>
If we have gotten to the point in society where a large % of people cannot kill an animal and eat the meat we have failed entirely. No reason to put a perfectly good animal in the ground when there are people that could benefit from the meat out there. Laws or best practices be damnednailed it
Well it is what it is, then I suppose we failed because that’s our society now. Do you think now overnight we can go back to life like it was in the 1800’s?
And now today in our “failed” society we should be ashamed of having to rely on farmers and ranchers for all they do to keep us fed.
This obviously is an outdoors fishing/hunting forum and with names like “crappie” and “bowhuntin” it’s clear (to me at least) that you’re disregarding that no matter how many times you google how to butcher a pig, it’s not feasible for the greater masses who might live in a 20th floor apartment to carve up livestock.
But you seem to believe we’re a failure if we don’t?
Here’s a challenge for you…starting today, no longer eat anything that you bought from a store. From now on, limit what you eat to only what you hunted, animals you raised entirely on your own and only fruits and vegetable’s you grew on your own.
“And don’t come crying to anybody else” if that doesn’t work out so well.
I’ll just leave it at that. I’ll step away from commenting further on this thread.
So one has to wonder what is gonna happen when they “open” the states back up? Is that when our food supply gonna get strained and start seeing food shortages? Seems like we are undoing years of build up in weeks and it’s gonna come back the demand.
This is the sad reality of the situation. I take people fishing all the time with me who want to take a few home. No big deal until we get to the cleaning station and they stand back with a disgusted look on their face while I’m cleaning their fish. Most people choose to ignore that the meat they eat was at one time a living breathing animal. Just like the ones I buy from the farm, harvest during hunting season, or catch on the lake. People who say what we do is cruel need to watch a video of a cow going through a slaughterhouse.
I agree, there are certainly a lot of people who are completely clueless about where their food comes from, and lots of people who would be appalled by what happens in a slaughterhouse. I’m not one of those people. I was simply stating that the majority of the population not only in Minnesota (which is a pretty affluent outdoor state, mind you), but the country as a whole, is not interested in hunting or butchering their own food. And stating that those people are a failure in our society is completely preposterous.
Lots of anglers also fish without harvesting anything too, but that’s another topic.
is not interested in hunting or butchering their own food. And stating that those people are a failure in our society is completely preposterous.
“not interested in” and “unable to” are two completely different concepts. your original comments state an inability to do this not a lack of interest. My comments are responses to the notion that people are unable to kill, process, and consume their own food. If they lack the ability then they can learn. If we as a society conditioned the majority of people to the point that they are physically unable to perform this work then yes we have failed. If your comments are actually saying “it would be inconvenient to many to do this or that they have no interest in it” then i am not responding to that.
I don’t have the expectation that everyone in society knows how to do this at this moment. I do have the expectation that, if faced with a situation where they need to do this to eat, that people have the ability or are willing to learn to do this and if not they are a failure.
This is my opinion and perfectly fine if its not yours. Ill leave off it now as this has taken away i think from the posters intentions.
This obviously is an outdoors fishing/hunting forum and with names like “crappie” and “bowhuntin” it’s clear (to me at least) that you’re disregarding that no matter how many times you google how to butcher a pig, it’s not feasible for the greater masses who might live in a 20th floor apartment to carve up livestock
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You sure about that Andy? I know a plumber and I’ve heard stories about some of “them apartments” 
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Matt Moen wrote:</div>
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Andrew Pansch wrote:</div>
You don’t deserve any food any farmer or producer creates with that attitude. Canned foods, fruits, vegetables, boxed goods, and baking products. All require farmers and some factory creating end products. Go ahead live your life in fear. All you did was post comments that degrade the food suppliers of not only this country but a lot of the world. There’s going to be family farms that go bankrupt in an already tough market trying to feed a nation. With your expertise you may as well send all healthcare workers home. Why stop at that close the grocery stores where your magical food comes from as well. Growing up on a farm and working in the rural areas of the Midwest it’s amazing at how out of touch some people that have never stepped foot on a farm are.You’re only looking at this from the supply side. The issue here is not the meat processing plants closing. It’s the lack of restaurants purchasing food. There is too much meat supply in the system already. Processing plants should be slowing down or halting production because demand dictates that.
I come from a family farming background and agree that is going to have terrible affects. Probably much worse than the low corn and soybean prices that have persisted for so long. However, whether processing plants stay open or close economics indicate that this will be bad for farmers.
And btw, the longer this persists the worse it gets. The governor in Iowa is making a foolish decision that will prolong the economy from getting back on its feet.
How so?
Social distancing and closing businesses isn’t a cure or a vaccine. The spread is inevitable. Slowing down the spread prolongs it.
I agree with her decision.
On an unrelated note Health Partners in Minnesota is issuing a large and unprecedented furlough for many employees this week. Because there’s nothing to do…..
Agree to disagree on this one. If there is another big outbreak in a processing facility states will continue to stay shut down and restaurants will stay closed.
We need to get the economy moving as soon as possible.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>suzuki wrote:</div>
I agree with Iowa’s decision. Its the right thing to do and it shows courage.If/when the pandemic reaches 30,40,50% of the workers at a meat processing facility, do you think she’d have the courage to continue working there?
Would you have the courage to work there?
The ultimate decision could be made if workers refuse to show up for work anymore.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Matt Moen wrote:</div>
You’re only looking at this from the supply side. The issue here is not the meat processing plants closing. It’s the lack of restaurants purchasing food. There is too much meat supply in the system already. Processing plants should be slowing down or halting production because demand dictates that.Closed restaurants I’m sure have some negative affect, but people don’t stop eating meat because they have to eat it at home now.
I could be wrong but I think it’s what’s already in the supply chain…packaged for commercial rather than retail.
I don’t know, all I know is that I’m eating just as much meat at home now as I was at restaurants.
I should’ve been broader here – consumers demand is still there but that’s a small percentage compared to commercial usage. Commercial purchasing is down something like 80% right now.
Gimme a tree, winch, and two hours. Skun and deboned.
Since CWD i’ve butchered every deer…Outside.
Them 20 story folks know where to find the outside?!? 
Gimme a tree, winch, and two hours. Skun and deboned.
Since CWD i’ve butchered every deer…Outside.
Them 20 story folks know where to find the outside?!?
What!?!?
Don’t you know meat comes from the back of the grocery store?
The guy with the white apron pushes some buttons on a machine and out pops beautifully wrapped portions with different names on them.
The red button makes steaks and pre-shaped hamburgers.
The pink button makes pre-seasoned pork chops and sausage in a casing.
Gimme a tree, winch, and two hours. Skun and deboned.
Since CWD i’ve butchered every deer…Outside.
Them 20 story folks know where to find the outside?!?
Okay sorry, I wasn’t going to add any more here but the shortsightedness I’m seeing posted has me SMH.
These folks live on the 20th floor, now why are they sitting around playing cards when they should be outside butchering their own deer?
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<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>MNBOWHUNTIN wrote:</div>
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>crappie55369 wrote:</div>
If we have gotten to the point in society where a large % of people cannot kill an animal and eat the meat we have failed entirely. No reason to put a perfectly good animal in the ground when there are people that could benefit from the meat out there. Laws or best practices be damnednailed it
Well it is what it is, then I suppose we failed because that’s our society now. Do you think now overnight we can go back to life like it was in the 1800’s?
And now today in our “failed” society we should be ashamed of having to rely on farmers and ranchers for all they do to keep us fed.
This obviously is an outdoors fishing/hunting forum and with names like “crappie” and “bowhuntin” it’s clear (to me at least) that you’re disregarding that no matter how many times you google how to butcher a pig, it’s not feasible for the greater masses who might live in a 20th floor apartment to carve up livestock.
But you seem to believe we’re a failure if we don’t?
Here’s a challenge for you…starting today, no longer eat anything that you bought from a store. From now on, limit what you eat to only what you hunted, animals you raised entirely on your own and only fruits and vegetable’s you grew on your own.
“And don’t come crying to anybody else” if that doesn’t work out so well.
I’ll just leave it at that. I’ll step away from commenting further on this thread.
Its not about being able to butcher a pig. Its an attitude of being able to self sustain and not rely on other people. Life is full of choices, living on the 20th story of an apartment is a choice and if it inhibits self sustainability, than that is your choice. Don’t like your situation? Get up and move. Do something about it. Too many complainers that want everything done for them, somebody else butchering their meat is just a very trivial example of that.
With all of the backyard butchers on here, sounds like there is some potential side hustle opportunities.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>FishBlood&RiverMud wrote:</div>
Gimme a tree, winch, and two hours. Skun and deboned.Since CWD i’ve butchered every deer…Outside.
Them 20 story folks know where to find the outside?!?
Okay sorry, I wasn’t going to add any more here but the shortsightedness I’m seeing posted has me SMH.
These folks live on the 20th floor, now why are they sitting around playing cards when they should be outside butchering their own deer?
Its not deer season? Did I get it right?
Yeah, and it looks more like a second story view 
That group of people shouldn’t be buying green bananas, let alone worry about butchering pigs 
Yeah, and it looks more like a second story view
That group of people shouldn’t be buying green bananas, let alone worry about butchering pigs
…okay, this is going down a dangerous path now. Is that a joke you’d tell your grandma or grandpa?
Why buy green banana’s when there’s a deadly pandemic knocking on your door.
I am done here.
Remember, there’s no middle ground on anything anymore. It’s either wacko right or wacko left.
Remember, there’s no middle ground on anything anymore. It’s either wacko right or wacko left.
It was a joke Andy, relax 
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>al-wichman wrote:</div>
This is the sad reality of the situation. I take people fishing all the time with me who want to take a few home. No big deal until we get to the cleaning station and they stand back with a disgusted look on their face while I’m cleaning their fish. Most people choose to ignore that the meat they eat was at one time a living breathing animal. Just like the ones I buy from the farm, harvest during hunting season, or catch on the lake. People who say what we do is cruel need to watch a video of a cow going through a slaughterhouse.I agree, there are certainly a lot of people who are completely clueless about where their food comes from, and lots of people who would be appalled by what happens in a slaughterhouse. I’m not one of those people. I was simply stating that the majority of the population not only in Minnesota (which is a pretty affluent outdoor state, mind you), but the country as a whole, is not interested in hunting or butchering their own food. And stating that those people are a failure in our society is completely preposterous.
Lots of anglers also fish without harvesting anything too, but that’s another topic.
I meant nothing about a failing society because people won’t butcher their own meat. My issue is the folks who want fresh meat/fish from me, come fishing with me and then when it’s time to do the deed they’re grossed out or too sympathetic to the animal to lift a knife. I have no problem with those who choose not to butcher themselves. It’s your choice, but if you want fresh and do the fun parts like fishing. Be prepared to help with the messy part.
My dad lived through the great depression and saved the cast iron pig scalding vessel. He passed away in 2018, but always told me “you should take that thing home, you can put a pig in it and take the hair off”. I did take it home – might come in handy.
It’s sad how some folks can’t see past the tip of their own nose.
Whatever your view on the necessity of knowing how to butcher, if anyone knows of someone wanting to give away some live pigs or chickens or whatever I’ll take some.
As to the original question, is the overall consumption of food going down? As someone else stated, aren’t people just eating the food at home instead of at a restaurant, and wouldn’t the supply chains that bring food to a restaurant be able to divert that to a store (I assume Chipotle doesn’t receive live pigs)?
Or is it that the supply chains can’t change, are being shut down, or are running out of workers, which causes the euthanasia of animals?
I don’t see how “plants are shutting down” and “don’t worry there is plenty of meat” are compatible long term.
Gimme a tree, winch, and two hours. Skun and deboned.
me to Tom Kennedy: “Tom I can set up the winch, Skun and debone that deer in 1 hour and 45 minutes.”
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