Go Pack Go!

  • Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11621
    #2301335

    Another nice win for the pack. They seem to be getting better each week. I guess we will find out who they really are when they play The lions on Dec. 5th and Minnesota on Dec. 29th. They play in the toughest division that’s for sure. I do like that they seem to beat the teams they should and don’t seem to play down to the lesser teams like another local team. Then again they are 9-2. How they got there doesnt matter

    And another one. rotflol

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17496
    #2301337

    nevermind

    dirtywater
    Posts: 1548
    #2301340

    It will be interesting to see if Love can “heat up” a bit down the stretch. He hasn’t been terrible, but he hasn’t really been nailing downfield shots either. Jacobs can run the ball and the defense has been opportunistic, but to really accelerate into the playoffs and make a run…they’re going to have to stretch some of the best defenses in football vertically and make them pay when they get into single high looks.

    Sure would’ve helped if Watson made that catch before halftime yesterday, but I agree Love will need to be able to make defenses pay down the field if this team is going to have a shot in the playoffs.

    I have felt for a long time that conference seeding needs to be reworked and this season reinforces that for me. I’m fine with continuing to give all division winners a playoff spot but the seeding needs to be addressed. There is no reason that a team from the west or south should have a higher seed and easier matchup than teams like MN and GB who clearly outperformed them in every tangible way.

    Michael C. Winther
    Reedsburg, WI
    Posts: 1506
    #2301343

    Jacobs has ran for 944 yards and 7TDs. He’s on-pace for 1450 yards and 11TDs. The move looks pretty good for the Packers so far. He’s been a constant pro bowl level performer despite some of the team’s other ups and downs.

    i think it’s a wash between Jones and Jacobs in 2024. they’re both performing very well on winning teams. Jacobs is slightly more expensive, but he’s also in year 1 of a 4 year deal and he’s 3.5 years younger where the Vikings will need to make a big decision at RB for next year with Jones a free agent and turning 30 years old.

    on Thanksgiving night it’s going to be cold. not bitter, but cold. i hope the boys in Green and Gold are more prepared than the Fins.
    there’s a good chance we’ll be missing Doubs for this game depending on his recovery from the concussion; that could be a big factor as Love’s passing game has been pretty inconsistent this year coming off his own injuries early in the season. Tua should take note: that same Lambeau turf was the scene of a really bad concussion for him just two seasons ago. scary stuff.

    Headed to Green Bay tomorrow, first game we’ll attend this season. Gotta love Lambeau.

    i hope you had as good of a time as we did!

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    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17496
    #2301345

    There is no reason that a team from the west or south should have a higher seed and easier matchup than teams like MN and GB who clearly outperformed them in every tangible way.

    I generally agree, but that’s what we’re stuck with. Its been like that for many years. If you want a home playoff game, you gotta win your division.

    Right now the Vikings (5) and the Packers (6) would be lin line to play the Seahawks (4) and the (3) Falcons.

    Brad Dimond
    Posts: 1464
    #2301347

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Brad Dimond wrote:</div>
    Headed to Green Bay tomorrow, first game we’ll attend this season. Gotta love Lambeau.

    i hope you had as good of a time as we did!

    From your photo it appears that you were slightly around the corner and higher than we were yesterday. Always a good time at Lambeau.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11670
    #2301351

    The Packers deserve the credit for putting the boots to a wounded 49ers team from the start. This is something the Purple have not done their last 3 games and they should have, at least to Tennessee and Jax.

    Jacobs is slightly more expensive, but he’s also in year 1 of a 4 year deal

    Jacobs is a LOT more expensive. Jones is on 1 year @ $7M (13th in the league), Jacobs is on a 4 year $48M ($25M guaranteed) $12 AAV deal which is 5th highest paid RB in the league this year. I think they both have worked out well for both teams, and likely won’t be a clear “winner” even once both players are done playing.

    buckybadger
    Upper Midwest
    Posts: 8235
    #2301415

    ^Jones was due to make $12 million in GB, so essentially the same as Jacobs now makes had the Packers simply let him play out his contract. Jacobs has more rushing TDs and more yards, as a younger back thus far through the 2024 season. It’s been a good move for the Packers so far.

    Rumors were the Pack offered him in the neighborhood of $6 million to stay for 2024, but obviously he wasn’t taking that number given it had injury and performance incentives to get to that number. The Vikings were the perfect opportunity for Jones to join a talented roster and have a larger portion of his salary guaranteed. It’s definitely worked out for both franchises so far.

    Tlazer
    Posts: 684
    #2301430

    You went from commenting on the Packers in a Packers thread to “but look what the Vikings did.” You sound like someone who can’t stop thinking or talking about an ex-girlfriend. jester

    It’s called living rent free.

    Talk about living rent free in someone’s head. I see I’m living rent free in your heads seeing how you always have to post about me. jester moon

    Michael C. Winther
    Reedsburg, WI
    Posts: 1506
    #2301477

    Jacobs is a LOT more expensive.

    the difference only seems like a lot. with a salary cap of $255M this year Jones counts as 1.37% for the Vikes and Jacobs counts as 2.08%. he’ll be counting as 5.31% of against the cap in the final year. the Vikes have flexibility since they’re not tied into a multi-year contract with an aging player, but they’ve got a window with a good team right now so what’s next year going to look like? my guess is they try to find someone like Jacobs who’s younger and cheaper than Jones.

    of course, we could also be getting Saquon Barkely at those prices. over the next 3 years he is $3M, $5M, $9M compared to Jacobs at $5M, $11M, $14M.
    doah

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17496
    #2301481

    of course, we could also be getting Saquon Barkely at those prices.

    The guy has resurrected his career in Philly. He will probably win offensive player of the year.

    buckybadger
    Upper Midwest
    Posts: 8235
    #2301482

    ^He should be the MVP, but the league will never allow it

    crawdaddy
    St. Paul MN
    Posts: 1634
    #2301498

    Here’s my prediction.

    Packers go 3-3 to finish season.

    coach lafleur has a couple spazs on the sidelines to finish out the regular season, possibly gets called for a 15 yard penalty. And Love’s gotta have at least one more pic 6 in him this year, he’s got a knack for it.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11670
    #2301617

    the difference only seems like a lot. with a salary cap of $255M this year Jones counts as 1.37% for the Vikes and Jacobs counts as 2.08%. he’ll be counting as 5.31% of against the cap in the final year. the Vikes have flexibility since they’re not tied into a multi-year contract with an aging player,.

    of course, we could also be getting Saquon Barkely at those prices. over the next 3 years he is $3M, $5M, $9M compared to Jacobs at $5M, $11M, $14M.
    doah

    It is a lot different $7M guaranteed vs $25M. The fact they moved around his cap hit doesn’t change that. Yardage is Jacobs 944 vs Jones 798. Barkeley and Derrick Henry were the clear FA winners, both over 1300 yards already, and Henry is on 2 years $16m (9m guaranteed). But I doubt either would have gone to GB…

    dirtywater
    Posts: 1548
    #2301631

    And 7 rushing tds is a lot more than 3. I think GB is good with their choice. I loved jones on my team but his durability was always in question and he has a knack for coughing up the ball in the red zone. I think he almost as many fumbles as rushing tds this year— maybe even an equal number — and I can think of two fumbles that came right on the goal line.

    Crawdaddy ya need some new material. I’m starting to think you have a crush on our devastatingly handsome head coach. He’s way outta your league.

    crawdaddy
    St. Paul MN
    Posts: 1634
    #2301685

    So I just checked Jones is at 3 fumbles and 3 tds on the year. I gotta agree with ya on that, those fumbles are a bad deal. Jacobs has 2.

    Jordan Love is already a turnover machine tied for 2nd in the league in interceptions at 11, and he’s missed two games. If I’m the packers ownership… wait they have no say in anything. If I’m the packers gm, I definitely want to avoid a fumbley running back knowing love is gonna toss a few to opposing defenders every game.

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17496
    #2301687

    Jordan Love is already a turnover machine tied for 2nd in the league in interceptions at 11, and he’s missed two games.

    If the Packers weren’t still winning games, this would be the top storyline in Green Bay. He has regressed even after obtaining a massive new contract.

    Luckily for them, they have still been able to win games without him doing what he did during the second half of last season. But mark my words, if they start losing games and his poor play continues, that will come up.

    People love to pick on Prescott for his massive new contract and poor play this season (before he got hurt). The reality is that his play is really not much worse or better than Loves. The difference is that the Packers have won enough games and the Cowboys have not.

    buckybadger
    Upper Midwest
    Posts: 8235
    #2301688

    If the Vikings can get Jones back on another contract next year, that’s where I think he will really shine. Second year in the system with KOC, and taking handoffs from a famaliar person back there in Aaron Rodgers.

    dirtywater
    Posts: 1548
    #2301738

    If the Vikings can get Jones back on another contract next year, that’s where I think he will really shine. Second year in the system with KOC, and taking handoffs from a famaliar person back there in Aaron Rodgers.

    mrgreen

    I’m not too worried about Love. The INT’s and overall accuracy have been an ongoing issue but he’s also throwing a lot of TDs and making big plays in crucial moments. Most importantly it seems like his teammates have his back 100% and there isn’t any drama in the locker room.

    Michael C. Winther
    Reedsburg, WI
    Posts: 1506
    #2301747

    It is a lot different $7M guaranteed vs $25M. The fact they moved around his cap hit doesn’t change that.

    absolutely it’s a different amount of money. it’s just that for the teams what matters is the cap hit because coming up with the actual cash isn’t the limiting factor – how big of an impact it has on the team’s ability to sign other players that matters. that’s why Tom Brady would famously re-work his pay, he was still getting the same amount of cash, just adjusting how it impacted the team.

    Jones represents a very good deal for the Vikings in both aspects, but Jacobs is also a good deal for the Packers – at least for now – we’ll have to wait and see how he holds up over the next 3.5 years as it could get overpriced if his play declines.

    If the Vikings can get Jones back on another contract next year, that’s where I think he will really shine. Second year in the system with KOC, and taking handoffs from a famaliar person back there in Aaron Rodgers.

    and another year older. the dreaded 30-year-old decline for running backs is a real thing.

    I’m not too worried about Love. The INT’s and overall accuracy have been an ongoing issue but he’s also throwing a lot of TDs and making big plays in crucial moments.

    beating the 49ers by throwing 163yds and 2TDs is one thing. beating the Lions in the NFC Championship is something else entirely. he will need to play better for playoff success; to this point i’ve been willing to see it as rust related to injury time off, but he’s got to start making quicker decisions and getting the ball out on time like he did in the second half of last year.

    Tlazer
    Posts: 684
    #2301784

    Jones got 142 attempts in the 2023 regular season because he only played in 11 games because of injury which averaged 12.9 attempts per game. Jones got 213 attempts in the 2022 regular season, played in all 17 games which averages out to 12.6 attempts per game. This year he has 179 attempts in 11 games averaging 16.3 attempts per game. The Packers knew they had to limit his attempts because of durability issues to try to keep him healthy. With his past injury issues and turning 30 this December, I wouldn’t bet on him staying healthy for the whole year if he keeps averaging over 16 attempts per game. The reason the the Packers didn’t offer him a huge contract and decided to go a different route and sign Jacobs, was how much do you play a player who you have to limit his carries to try and keep him healthy. Look at past history in the NFL at all the good RB’s who couldn’t even get to 30 years old who were washed up.

    KP
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 1379
    #2301804

    So what about Derek Henry who is 30 and was leading the NFL in rushing because Barkley went off?

    I agree with you on how the Packers wanted a more durable RB but some of the older running backs are doing very well this year.

    Tlazer
    Posts: 684
    #2301826

    So what about Derek Henry who is 30 and was leading the NFL in rushing because Barkley went off?

    I agree with you on how the Packers wanted a more durable RB but some of the older running backs are doing very well this year.

    Can you name any other RB that was 30 years old that is one of the top leading rushers in an NFL season? Henry has always been an abnormality. How many guys his size have ever run that fast? How about Elliott, D Cook, T Gurley, A Peterson, L Fournette, L Bell to name a few RB’s that declined before 30. If age and injury wasn’t a factor I would have thought the Vikings would have signed Jones to a multi-year deal.

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17496
    #2301836

    Can you name any other RB that was 30 years old that is one of the top leading rushers in an NFL season? Henry has always been an abnormality. How many guys his size have ever run that fast?

    Adrian Peterson was 30 when he rushed for nearly 1500 yards his final season as a Viking.

    Four years later with Washington, he still ran for over 1000 yards.

    I get your point though, very few running backs have production past 30.

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