GMC/Chevy owners

mark-bruzek wrote:

This entire conversation is only taking place because society is a bunch of dumba$$es.

Parking assist on vehicles…if you can’t park then you should not drive. ( not geared to the OP)
Back up trailer assist, sensors that apply brakes for us, sensors that control power going to the tires.
Its just crap the consumer is being charged for.
These new vehicles are far cry from what a truck used to and should be.

Amen!You can’t even buy a stripped work truck(GM)with manual lock/windows anymore.And I can see the manual shift transfer case going the way of manual transmission.Manufacturers just keep loading all the nonsense on vehicles,and up goes the price.It is what the masses want for convenience.Automakers don’t care if a window regulator/motor takes a crap after 5 years.

I find it funny that many of you spend thousands on all the “latest and greatest” custom ice rods, sonar/GPS units, etc, yet you want trucks with no new features.

Frankly, my wife is 5′ tall and drives our Sequoia. I’m thankful for all backup sensors, blind spot sensors, cameras, etc!

We may call all the bullcrap we buy for fishing tools but the reality is they are toys. A truck isn’t a toy its a tool and I need my tools to be durable not loaded with a million little things that will break and cost more to maintain

crappie55369 wrote:

A truck isn’t a toy its a tool and I need my tools to be durable not loaded with a million little things that will break and cost more to maintain

It also costs plenty if you back into someone, change lanes into someone, or back over a child. I get that some of them can be a pain in the butt, I really do, but there’s also a benefit to many of them.

Ralph Wiggum wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>crappie55369 wrote:</div>
A truck isn’t a toy its a tool and I need my tools to be durable not loaded with a million little things that will break and cost more to maintain

It also costs plenty if you back into someone, change lanes into someone, or back over a child. I get that some of them can be a pain in the butt, I really do, but there’s also a benefit to many of them.

If all the gadgets are a benefit to you and you consider them worth it then by all means buy that. I think what people are bemoaning is the fact that there are no options anymore for those who want a basic truck without all gadgets.

The testosterone is boiling over in here. Quite entertaining.

biggill wrote:

The testosterone is boiling over in here. Quite entertaining.

x2

Paid extra for all the gadgets on my truck and I’m really glad I did. After 3+ years they all still work as expected and the truck tows a boat to. Imagine that.

Maybe you guys should bottle up that testosterone and complain to your dealer that sold you the truck.

So, I am wondering what is wrong with removing your hitch when not in use? I have been doing that for decades and doesn’t seem to be an issue.

The one vehicle we left the hitch in full time was only because it was towing a trailer 99% of the time and when it came time to remove it, it was rusted in so bad we traded the truck with it still attached.

Savage Brewer wrote:

So, I am wondering what is wrong with removing your hitch when not in use? I have been doing that for decades and doesn’t seem to be an issue.

The one vehicle we left the hitch in full time was only because it was towing a trailer 99% of the time and when it came time to remove it, it was rusted in so bad we traded the truck with it still attached.

No issue to remove it. But then again, no reason to remove it. I use it 3 to 4 times a week so why take it out and put it in 8 to 12 times a week.
And for them rusting in. Their is many tricks to stop that from happening and also to bream them free if it’s happened that are quite easy.

Savage Brewer wrote:

So, I am wondering what is wrong with removing your hitch when not in use? I have been doing that for decades and doesn’t seem to be an issue.

The one vehicle we left the hitch in full time was only because it was towing a trailer 99% of the time and when it came time to remove it, it was rusted in so bad we traded the truck with it still attached.

. Why would I remove it every time I’m done towing something . I bought the truck to tow , not to get groceries .

Anyone who would prefer a 1998 over a new truck is blowing allot of smoke. I’ll take all the new technology available.
The older ones weren’t trouble free either.

For those that want a no-frills truck, I just went thru the online build-it on the 2019 Ram 1500 Classic, the Tradesman offers a regular cab, 8′ box, vinyl seats, manual locks and windows. Choice of V6 or Hemi, 4×2 or 4×4. Sorry, no manual trans option.

There you go. HRG

Chevy also has the “mostly” no frills version of the Silverado in their Work Truck (WT) model.

I plan to order one soon. I am forced to get more gadgets just to get the engine I want.

Smoker wrote:

Anyone who would prefer a 1998 over a new truck is blowing allot of smoke. I’ll take all the new technology available.
The older ones weren’t trouble free either.

I’m not blowing smoke. I prefer my 98 over the 17. Yes the 17 is a beautiful truck lots of power. But the 98 was the same. And in the 277xxx I had that truck for it never had sensors go bad. Never when I opened the door while in gear did it go crazy and tell me I have to shift to park. It didnt have dummy lights like the new. And most of all it never had 6 recalls in 4 months.
Yeah i would love to buy that same truck this day and age.
Doesn’t mean the camera isn’t nice but now it’s all the wife wants to use. And then once the kids are old enough they won’t even know how to drive with out them.

You guys might complain about the camera, but here is the fact, backing out of a parking spot downtown with the Silverado, a child ran behind the truck and I would have ran him over if it wasnt for that camera and sensors. He was too short to see over the tailgate. I had no idea he was back there without the camera.

What if that was your child (Mike I assume thats your daughter in your profile picture)? Would you like it if the owner of the truck said they disabled those safety features because it was irritating when NOT towing to have to remove their hitch?

If removing my hitch when not towing helps prevent someone from being injured or killed its worth the 30 seconds it takes to remove it from the receiver.

My $0.02 on the deal.

Savage Brewer wrote:

You guys might complain about the camera, but here is the fact, backing out of a parking spot downtown with the Silverado, a child ran behind the truck and I would have ran him over if it wasnt for that camera and sensors. He was too short to see over the tailgate. I had no idea he was back there without the camera.

What if that was your child (Mike I assume thats your daughter in your profile picture)? Would you like it if the owner of the truck said they disabled those safety features because it was irritating when NOT towing to have to remove their hitch?

If removing my hitch when not towing helps prevent someone from being injured or killed its worth the 30 seconds it takes to remove it from the receiver.

My $0.02 on the deal.

yeah ok. so when does it end? will we have court cases now where somebody pleads not guilty to running someone down because their driver assist parallel parking malfunctioned or their lane assist didn’t work?

Watch your mirrors. That’s that. Not hard. People been doing it for many years. Still do it daily. My big work truck has a big box on back. I only can watch my mirrors. Seems to be working well.
And since when does removing your hitch protect other? From what a shin buster

crappie55369 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Bearcat89 wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>mark-bruzek wrote:</div>
This entire conversation is only taking place because society is a bunch of dumba$$es.

Parking assist on vehicles…if you can’t park then you should not drive. ( not geared to the OP)
Back up trailer assist, sensors that apply brakes for us, sensors that control power going to the tires.
Its just crap the consumer is being charged for.
These new vehicles are far cry from what a truck used to and should be.

I totally agree. Wish I could buy a new 98 silverado.

X2

X3!! Pretty much why I won’t buy a new truck. Why pay for stuff I dont want. Its become more about ways to upcharge than actuall safety.
Its like those dange arc outlets you have to install in your house if you do a build or remodel. Electritionshate them, inspectors hate them home owners hate them everytime they turn the vucumm on they trip. The guy that invented them and convinced the powers at be to put them in code love them.

Bearcat89 wrote:

Watch your mirrors. That’s that. Not hard. People been doing it for many years. Still do it daily. My big work truck has a big box on back. I only can watch my mirrors. Seems to be working well.
And since when does removing your hitch protect other? From what a shin buster

I was watching my mirrors, it was at a multilevel parking ramp downtown Minneapolis (by the Civic Center) where you cannot see people well when trying to back out especially when the vehicle next to you is a SUV or minivan of sorts.
Removing the hitch does not protect anyone, BUT if you are bypassing the back up sensors or cameras because it is irritating…

Not saying this technology will prevent all injuries but in my case it saved me from hitting a child and I for one am glad it did. Dont know about the rest of you but I would feel pretty shitty if I ran someone over even if it was an accident.

I like it when hooking up to the trailer or boat so I know when to stop. My 12 does it to but I hit the check button or lower down hit the off button. The ball on the hitch saved my wife damage 3 times now while she was stopped for a red light. The ones that hit her didn’t fair so well.

Great thread,I’m so glad I don’t have that backup camera, I’d rather jump in and outta the truck to hook up a trailer with a boat or any trailer with a load on it, or maybe in my older age I may have just made an ironic statement, I only use my mirrors for shaving

You know at some point in history people had these same fears about power locks, power windows, cruise control, etc., etc.

And all this chatter is because one manufacturer failed to account for the trailer hitch resulting in a beeping noise. My truck works perfectly. All the gadgets, cameras and safety features work nearly flawlessly.

When they work, what’s the downside? Soon accident prevention system will be mandatory in all vehicles. If you’ve seen them in action they can react faster than you can an possibly save you or your families life. This technology is undeniably saving lives.

Hell, my truck has some monitoring system that tracks my driving patterns and can send a warning to notify me that I may be driving tired or impaired. If it can stop people from driving drunk, what’s the downside?

biggill wrote:

And all this chatter is because one manufacturer failed to account for the trailer hitch resulting in a beeping noise.

They didn’t fail to account for it, hit the checkmark or disable the system with the other button. That is why they are there. This chatter is because someone thought it was too much for them to do or weren’t aware that they could.
Those sensors are garbage. They get gunked up and don’t work have the time. Ive had 3 different vehicles with them on and same with each. Now the camera, different story. I will not own another vehicle without one.

Ok, so one manufacturer has garbage sensors. A lot of people here are painting technology with a really broad brush.

biggill wrote:

Ok, so one manufacturer has garbage sensors. A lot of people here are painting technology with a really broad brush.

Talk about broad brush. Did I say that the 3 vehicles I have owned with them and they were all garbage were from the same manufacturer?
You do realize that the OEMs don’t make these things themselves right? The same sensors are used by countless different brands/models. Because YOU may have had good luck, doesn’t mean that everyone has and I know far more people besides myself who have had bad luck with them then someone like you who has had good luck.

Chevy in particular these days has become synonymous with gadgets. Their ads all talk about how they have 7G wifi technology and a transformer tailgate that goes into 28 different settings. They don’t advertise on truck based themes anymore they advertise on gadgets. next up strobe lights and an LED light bar.

Chevy in particular? Have you seen the new ram limited? It’s a flippin spaceship. I’m looking forward to reading this fishing forum when that truck finds it’s way into one of you guys’ hands.

Tech in today’s culture isn’t going away. Just dust off that owners manual and read up on how to use it. Simple.

Some of you guys cant be so self centered to actually believe the sensors in these full size trucks arent necessary. Now the added expense argument, okay fine. But newsflash, whether the tech is in there or not, trucks will continue to rise in price.

Full disclosure, my 11′ silverado has the sensors, and my truck beeps at me when it shouldn’t. I got over it.