Giant Canada Goose Story – If you didn’t know

  • Eelpoutguy
    Farmington, Outing
    Posts: 10642
    #2299335

    How Rochester saved the giant Canada goose
    A Mayo brother’s private flock led to a ‘rediscovery’ of these big birds. Decades later, the geese nearly took over town.
    Giant Canada geese wintered in Rochester’s Silver Lake in huge numbers in 2003. (BRIAN PETERSON)

    Canada geese flying in their signature v-formation weren’t always such a common fall sight in Minnesota.

    Hunting and habitat loss decimated the birds’ population a century ago. Numbers had dwindled so low that scientists believed the biggest type of Canada goose, the giant Branta canadensis maxima, was actually extinct.

    It wasn’t. The city of Rochester unwittingly harbored a flock of giants for decades and had a key role in the birds’ comeback story. Now giant Canada geese are everywhere in the Midwest.

    It’s a unique Minnesota tale that involves one of the Mayo Clinic’s founding brothers, a persistent biologist named Dr. Harold Hanson, and a visit to the grocery store.

    “All reports of the demise of this magnificent goose, the largest in the world, have proved to be greatly exaggerated,” Hanson wrote in his 1965 book, “The Giant Canada Goose.”

    Giant Canada geese in Rochester in 1976. (Steve Schluter)
    A bigger bird
    The giant Branta canadensis maxima is one of seven recognized subspecies of Canada goose. While there are some other differences, it is largely its size that sets it apart.

    Giants can weigh up to 24 pounds and have a wingspan of more than six feet. They also often stick around the Great Lakes area in the winter, instead of migrating farther south with their smaller cousins.

    Otherwise, the giants have the same black face and white chin strap that distinguish all types of Canada goose.

    Scientists were slow to see it as a separate kind of Branta canadensis in the first place. Some thought it was a myth, even though hunters reported bagging birds with staggering weights.

    Documenting its existence initially involved “a degree of mystery, unreceptive officialdom and general disbelief at the technical level,” Hanson wrote. One expert even suggested specimens were likely so big because a zealous taxidermist had overstuffed them.

    The big bird didn’t get its official writeup – and the name Branta canadensis maxima – until 1951. But just six years later, the American Ornithologists Checklist declared the giant was “believed to be extinct.”

    The entire species of Canada goose was under threat at the time. Unregulated hunting in the early 1900s and the destruction of wetlands had taken a toll on population numbers.

    A Minnesota tale of rediscovery
    The giants weren’t really all gone, however.

    While ornithologists argued about whether they existed, a flock was growing in Rochester.

    In the 1920s, Dr. Charles Mayo purchased 15 Canada geese in North Dakota. He brought them to Mayowood, his more than 3,000-acre family estate in Rochester. At least some — maybe all — were giants. The flock attracted wild birds and began to grow exponentially.

    President Franklin D. Roosevelt rode in a car with Dr. Charles H. Mayo, center, and Dr. William J. Mayo in 1934.
    The birds got more help in the 1930s, when the city dammed the Zumbro River and created the 20-acre Silver Lake. For decades, a power plant discharged warm water into the lake, keeping it from freezing over in the winter. Canada geese started coming by the thousands to make their home in Rochester.

    Because Canada geese pick out mates based on size (called assortative mating) and then stick together for life, the giants among them maintained their subspecies. They became the dominant type of branta canadensis in Rochester.

    Hanson, a bird expert who worked for the Illinois Natural History Survey, often came through Rochester during fall fishing trips. He was “perplexed” by their seemingly large size, he wrote, but could never be sure just how much bigger they were. Maybe he was misremembering what the Canada geese looked like in Illinois, he wrote.

    Then the Minnesota Department of Conservation invited him to Rochester in January 1962 to band, weigh and measure some of the trapped flock.

    Mayowood, shown here in the 1930s, harbored a flock of giant Canada geese. (BRUCE BISPING)
    “On that memorable day, the temperature held around zero and a strong wind blew. But this only added zest to the enterprise,” Hanson wrote.

    Hanson, along with staff from the state conservation department and the U.S. Bureau of Sport Fisheries and Wildlife, got to work weighing the geese. At first, they thought the scale was broken, he wrote.

    “They went to a grocery store just on the north side of Silver Lake, and they bought 10 pounds of flour and five pounds of sugar,” said retired Rochester Post-Bulletin outdoors writer John Weiss, who later interviewed one of the participants.

    They weighed the dry goods at the store first to double check, and then tested the scales again.

    “The impossible weights we had been getting were correct,” Hanson wrote.

    The U.S. Department of the Interior soon put out a press release proclaiming the giant goose lived: “The giant goose is not only still around, but even appears to have a sizable population that is adapting to man’s changes of its environment,” it read.

    Judy Glenzinski of Rochester feeds bread to the geese at Silver Lake in 1997. (JOEY MCLEISTER)
    Rochester’s love-hate relationship with the geese
    The city’s relationship with the striking but messy creatures has taken many tumultuous turns since those heady days of rediscovery.

    For decades, Rochester celebrated their giant geese, naming their amateur baseball team the Honkers and installing goose statues around town. The population at Silver Lake grew to astonishingly high numbers.

    Tens of thousands would winter there and Rochester became the “epicenter of goose hunting in Minnesota,” Weiss said. He recalled taking his father-in-law to Silver Lake after he first moved to Rochester in the 1970s. At first, they only spotted about 1,000 on the water. Then they looked to the east.

    “I went, ‘Why is the sky moving?’” Weiss said. “The geese had been feeding, and they were coming in. It rained geese for a half hour. Just flock after flock after flock would come in.”

    Giant Canada geese flocked to Silver Lake in Rochester in 1988. (Joey McLeister)
    By the early 2000s, the city was home to about 40,000 geese — each one pooping as much as two pounds a day. Some residents complained about encounters with aggressive geese, who are especially protective of their young.

    Rochester’s officials eventually stopped fostering the flocks’ exploding population and began working to manage it instead. They took away bins of goose food in 2007 and planted tall grasses and wetland plants around the lake to keep the geese from gathering on shore.

    In 2021, they (controversially) decided to smother eggs with corn oil and put them back in nests. The geese wouldn’t lay more eggs, but the oil cut off oxygen and fewer goslings would hatch. The next year, workers and volunteers began instead collecting some eggs before embryos fully developed, destroying them and replacing them with ceramic ones.

    The efforts — along with the power plant’s closing in 2008 — have had an effect.

    Silver Lake now freezes over in the winter, eliminating what some described as their “hot tub.”

    The birds scatter to find open water these days, Weiss said. And during last year’s Christmas bird count in Rochester, the Zumbro Valley Audubon Society tallied just 8,637 Canada geese.

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18715
    #2299342

    Gee thanks Rochester. You could have just stopped with the Mayo Clinic. mrgreen

    Bearcat89
    North branch, mn
    Posts: 20815
    #2299354

    Nice, now let’s shoot em rotflol

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 23377
    #2299359

    I grew up in Hutchinson and we had those giant Canadians too! It was ridiculous how big they were. It was common to shoot them over 20 pounds.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 23377
    #2299400

    Started hunting as a teen in the late 90s there were areas in ND you couldn’t shoot Canadas and I think the limit in parts of MN was 1 at that time. Hard to believe any more.

    Yep, 1 per day was the limit where I hunted in MN. It changed a few years later. Hrbek was at a farm outside of Hutchinson the day of game 7 (I think) of the world season goose hunting. $1200 a gun they were charged is what I am told. Can you imagine in today’s dollars?

    Brad Dimond
    Posts: 1486
    #2299423

    Started hunting as a teen in the late 90s there were areas in ND you couldn’t shoot Canadas and I think the limit in parts of MN was 1 at that time. Hard to believe any more.

    I worked at Hutch Tech in the 1990s. Frequently heard shooting from the field northeast of the campus during the season. Went to college in Wisconsin in the 1980s near Puckaway Refuge. A friend’s family owned property abutting the refuge near the levee. One bird limit, usually done with the hunt in 20 minutes. I was a poor college student, cooked them and ate them. Haven’t shot one since then, don’t like the taste.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 23377
    #2299426

    I worked at Hutch Tech in the 1990s. Frequently heard shooting from the field northeast of the campus during the season. Went to college in Wisconsin in the 1980s near Puckaway Refuge. A friend’s family owned property abutting the refuge near the levee. One bird limit, usually done with the hunt in 20 minutes. I was a poor college student, cooked them and ate them. Haven’t shot one since then, don’t like the taste.

    Interesting! My mom was employee #115 at HTI and I worked there as a summer intern for 3 or 4 summers over that timeframe you mentioned. I was in assembly for 2 summers and then up in engineering the other times. Yes, there was a lot of shooting going on around there. Very good pheasant hunting just to the NW behind that church too.

    Brad Dimond
    Posts: 1486
    #2299433

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Brad Dimond wrote:</div>
    I worked at Hutch Tech in the 1990s. Frequently heard shooting from the field northeast of the campus during the season. Went to college in Wisconsin in the 1980s near Puckaway Refuge. A friend’s family owned property abutting the refuge near the levee. One bird limit, usually done with the hunt in 20 minutes. I was a poor college student, cooked them and ate them. Haven’t shot one since then, don’t like the taste.

    Interesting! My mom was employee #115 at HTI and I worked there as a summer intern for 3 or 4 summers over that timeframe you mentioned. I was in assembly for 2 summers and then up in engineering the other times. Yes, there was a lot of shooting going on around there. Very good pheasant hunting just to the NW behind that church too.

    I was a network engineer and project manager, ran the projects for the IT side of the Eau Claire expansion, Sioux Falls new plant and Y2k. Loved working there but got laid off in 1999 with the big cuts. Too bad they couldn’t figure out how to make money.

    Gitchi Gummi
    Posts: 3140
    #2299434

    Cool story. It’s pretty wild how many different game species almost became extinct about 75-100ish years ago.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 23377
    #2299437

    I was a network engineer and project manager, ran the projects for the IT side of the Eau Claire expansion, Sioux Falls new plant and Y2k. Loved working there but got laid off in 1999 with the big cuts. Too bad they couldn’t figure out how to make money.

    Oh, I just missed you then. Yeah it was a great company at one point. They never diversified and by the time they tried to get a patent on a medical product that killed them. Then they shipped production off to Taiwan or India I forget and it killed them. QUality dropped and that was the end. Sad. I was hired for Y2k too but at a different company. Still there 27 years later.

    mxskeeter
    SW Wisconsin
    Posts: 3946
    #2299455

    Back in the 70’s and 80’s you had to apply for Canada goose tag in certain areas of Wisconsin. doah

    Netguy
    Minnetonka
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    #2299550

    When I was a kid in the late 60s-70s just north of Lake Minnetonka, if you saw or heard a honker, you told everyone! Saw a nesting pair in a slough by the lake and it was big news!!

    robby
    Quad Cities
    Posts: 2829
    #2299684

    See Victoria, Illinois. Google it and this too is an epic factor in the return of the Canada Goose in numbers. It occurred in the 1980’s. Now all of the ponds that are aeriated or have fountains and do not freeze in Chicagoland have changed the flyway of the Canada goose. Interesting stuff. You do not hear about the great goose hunting down around Cairo, Illinois anymore. A lot of those geese just winter in Chicagoland.

    FinnyDinDin
    Posts: 865
    #2299704

    I grew up in Hutchinson and we had those giant Canadians too! It was ridiculous how big they were. It was common to shoot them over 20 pounds.

    The mythical 20 pounders! There was a guy who offered a big reward if anyone shot a goose that weighed 20 lbs. Nationwide contest and no one shot one even close.

    It’s too bad Rochester plant closed. There are some new hot pond spots in the state and I’m guessing it’s the Rochester descendants that took up residency.

    Jimmy Jones
    Posts: 2914
    #2299718

    Back in the late 60’s and early 70’s I shot quite a few of the giant strain. Lots of people who hunted the refuge boundaries did back then. And the size of the geese was well beyond myth.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 23377
    #2299723

    The mythical 20 pounders! There was a guy who offered a big reward if anyone shot a goose that weighed 20 lbs. Nationwide contest and no one shot one even close.

    Wish we knew about this because we shot many over 20. They were all weighed on a certified scale. This was mid to late 80’s through the mid 90s which is when I quit waterfowl hunting. No idea if there are still giants there or not, but they sure were hard to bring down.

    FinnyDinDin
    Posts: 865
    #2299750

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>FinnyDinDin wrote:</div>
    The mythical 20 pounders! There was a guy who offered a big reward if anyone shot a goose that weighed 20 lbs. Nationwide contest and no one shot one even close.

    Wish we knew about this because we shot many over 20. They were all weighed on a certified scale. This was mid to late 80’s through the mid 90s which is when I quit waterfowl hunting. No idea if there are still giants there or not, but they sure were hard to bring down.

    15+ lb goose is extremely rare. When the contest was ran guys thought the biggest would come out of Rochester. Very few 15+ were shot and nothing even close to 20 lbs.

    I think your scale was broken. Or maybe you shot a swan. I’d love to see a pic of these 20+ lb geese on a scale. You would be a legend in the waterfowl world.

    I’ve shot a lot of giants. Weighed a few that were large and 13.5 lbs was the biggest.

    Eelpoutguy
    Farmington, Outing
    Posts: 10642
    #2299767

    Back in 79/80 I saw one on the scale at 22 lbs from Rochester.
    Sure wish we had cell phones back then.

    slough
    Posts: 593
    #2299776

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>slough wrote:</div>
    Started hunting as a teen in the late 90s there were areas in ND you couldn’t shoot Canadas and I think the limit in parts of MN was 1 at that time. Hard to believe any more.

    Yep, 1 per day was the limit where I hunted in MN. It changed a few years later. Hrbek was at a farm outside of Hutchinson the day of game 7 (I think) of the world season goose hunting. $1200 a gun they were charged is what I am told. Can you imagine in today’s dollars?

    That’s pretty wild if true, that’s probably what $5000 in today’s dollars? Note even the luxury lodges are close to that for bird hunting per day.

    FinnyDinDin
    Posts: 865
    #2299777

    You guys must have killed the last of the 20+ pounders back in the 70-90’s.

    I have yet to find a picture of a wild Canada on a scale that hits 20 lbs. It’s the Bigfoot of the goose hunting world.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 23377
    #2299778

    That’s pretty wild if true, that’s probably what $5000 in today’s dollars? Note even the luxury lodges are close to that for bird hunting per day.

    Yeah, IDK if it was true or not, but that is what I was told, but obviously not from Herbie himself and not by the farmer so IDK for sure.
    I dont think the goose hunting is anything like it used to be there, but I am not around town very often anymore.

    Jimmy Jones
    Posts: 2914
    #2299781

    Lots of 20+ geese taken back when. I weighed all of mine and couldn’t begin to tell how many were well over 18 pounds.

    I had a 34″ trap full custom barrel done for my 3″ 870 back in 1970. On the trap range a clay pigeon at 30 yards turned to dust. Plucking a goose at 90 yards with a load of 65 T shot [lead] handloads was a regular thing with that barrel.

    FinnyDinDin
    Posts: 865
    #2299792

    Lots of 20+ geese taken back when. I weighed all of mine and couldn’t begin to tell how many were well over 18 pounds.

    You must have killed the last of the 20 pounders.

    Reminds me of the old fish records.

    Eelpoutguy
    Farmington, Outing
    Posts: 10642
    #2299797

    I used the Marlin Super Goose 10 3 1/2″ bolt action and back in the day I would use 4 buck. Dang, I miss lead.
    You could take 2 back then. After getting the first one I would shoot for the lead. Ended up getting a lead once (pretty sure it went 20+), didn’t get to weigh it because it landed in another hunters decoys and when I went retrieve it he handed me a tiny goose and said “nice shot” as I looked at the one I shot laying next to him. What a jerk, especially when he was hunting with his young kid.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 23377
    #2299801

    When I was 14 I shot my first goose. My dad was trying to retrieve a goose he shot but wounded and a big flock came in. They were LOW! I shot at the first one and dropped the last one LOL

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