Getting into Canada — Oops!!

  • lrott2003
    Wisconsin
    Posts: 528
    #1777543

    Quick questions without going into details….

    1. I have heard both ways that if you have had an alcohol related incident in the past you can or can not get into canada. Which one is true.

    2. If question one answer is “you can” then how long is the process to get reinstated. Just wondering if a trip this fall is even possible.

    Thanks in advance.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1777545

    If it is ONLY a misdemeanor, you may get a “one time free pass”. They’ll give you whatbis called a TRP or temporary resident permit. It’s at the border officers discretion though and you can’t have more offenses.

    Otherwise you are deemed rehabilitated 10 years after successful completion of your sentence and no further offenses since. That includes probation.

    rwilliam
    St.Paul, Mn
    Posts: 291
    #1777547

    Walleye Central has a few good threads on entering Canada in their
    “Canada Eh ?” section. I believe there is contact information for Canada if you are willing to look into some of the threads there.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1777553

    I forgot to mention that you can apply for rehabilitation if you are between 5-10 after completion of your sentence. It costs $200 and can take up to 2 years.

    I’ve heard you can expedite this process by filling out the paperwork and traveling up to the Pembina crossing with an appointment to meet with immigration.

    glenn57
    cold spring mn
    Posts: 11828
    #1777558

    for those reasons alone i quit fishing in canada. if they wanna make it that much of a pain………..they can keep there fish, not get my money and i’ll fish at home.

    Huntindave
    Shell Rock Iowa
    Posts: 3088
    #1777574

    for those reasons alone i quit fishing in canada. if they wanna make it that much of a pain………..they can keep there fish, not get my money and i’ll fish at home.

    ??? You quit going to Canada because you don’t agree with their stance on alcohol and driving?
    The whole intent of their law is to keep folks who drink and drive, from entering Canada. Based on your response,,,,,,,,their law appears to be working.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1777591

    The whole intent of their law is to keep folks who drink and drive, from entering Canada. Based on your response,,,,,,,,their law appears to be working.

    This isn’t true.

    The purpose is to keep criminals with felonies from entering Canada. In Canada, DUI is equivalent to a felony. It’s ALWAYS been this way but never enforced for drunk driving until 9/11.

    Canada also does not hand out DUIs like they do here. Some provinces leave the DUI to the discretion of the officer whether or not the person posed a safety risk or not.

    glenn57
    cold spring mn
    Posts: 11828
    #1777592

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>glenn57 wrote:</div>
    for those reasons alone i quit fishing in canada. if they wanna make it that much of a pain………..they can keep there fish, not <nobr style=”font-size: inherit”>get my money</nobr> and i’ll fish at home.

    ??? You quit going to Canada because you don’t agree with their stance on alcohol and driving?
    The whole intent of their law is to keep folks who drink and drive, from entering Canada. Based on your response,,,,,,,,their law appears to be working.

    nope, dont disagree on there stance, my issue is all the BS and hoops you have to go thru, then get to the border and then some crabby border patrol guy on a bad day decides you cant cross. then your hoe group gets turned back…….lifes to short for that. my alcohol mishaps are over 30 years old and still not sure i could cross………..and at this point could care less.

    Huntindave
    Shell Rock Iowa
    Posts: 3088
    #1777596

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Huntindave wrote:</div>
    The whole intent of their law is to keep folks who drink and drive, from entering Canada. Based on your response,,,,,,,,their law appears to be working.

    This isn’t true.

    The purpose is to keep criminals with felonies from entering Canada. In Canada, DUI is equivalent to a felony. It’s ALWAYS been this way but never enforced for drunk driving until 9/11.

    Canada also does not hand out DUIs like they do here. Some provinces leave the DUI to the discretion of the officer whether or not the person posed a safety risk or not.

    And the purpose of enforcing it for drunk driving is?????????? Why the change in enforcement? Seems to me the Canada government takes a much stronger stance against DUI than the USA.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1777603

    And the purpose of enforcing it for drunk driving is??????????

    Following their own rules they became lax on. Taking the discretion away from the border agent in an effort to secure their border.

    Seems to me the Canada government takes a much stronger stance against DUI than the USA.

    In some ways yes. They take a much stronger stance against alcohol in general. I believe it is illegal to drink in public. We were told it was illegal to drink while ice fishing when I was up on Winnipeg. Of course those same people said that no one ever ice fishes without drinking.

    Tom Sawvell
    Inactive
    Posts: 9559
    #1777611

    Maybe the US should tighten its grip on those coming from Canada to the US. I seem to recall reading that most of the terrorist yokels that have been at issue in the US have come thru Canadian gates.

    And don’t think for a second that Canada doesn’t have problems with Ddub. The country is full of it, but the provincial approach to dealing with it is not at all like what the US does. Just because the border is relatively easy to cross does not mean you aren’t in a whole different world. I wish the US agents would reciprocate the inconvenience that Canadian agents enjoy doling out. I keep my a$$ on American soil and not have to fret what the Canuks think is right.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1777620

    No, let the Canadians keep coming and spending their money.

    nhamm
    Inactive
    Robbinsdale
    Posts: 7348
    #1777643

    No, let the Canadians keep coming and spending their money.

    jester

    Not sure what exactly the fellows were charged with that I’ve traveled with to Canada but the list of offenses aren’t short. Most of them years ago but some have been more recent, DWIs.

    We’ve always gotten through, eventually. Our caravan gets stopped and searched at the border half the time, big PIA, or stopped and wait around in their office from 1-3hrs and then all of a sudden you are free to pass.

    One guy did get turned at the border for terroristic threats on his record.

    mark-bruzek
    Two Harbors, MN
    Posts: 3867
    #1777646

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>glenn57 wrote:</div>
    for those reasons alone i quit fishing in canada. if they wanna make it that much of a pain………..they can keep there fish, not get my money and i’ll fish at home.

    ??? You quit going to Canada because you don’t agree with their stance on alcohol and driving?
    The whole intent of their law is to keep folks who drink and drive, from entering Canada. Based on your response,,,,,,,,their law appears to be working.

    I absolutely agree with Glen on this. It is all about money.
    CN will let someone with a DUI in once, with the paper work AND…. $500 payment. So yes, they will turn their heads on their laws for $$$ plain and simple. To HE77 with that!

    craig s
    Posts: 246
    #1777647

    Jump thru lots of hoops,spend lots of money and then your allowed to bring your 2 walleye back home(maybe its 4 now?).

    Bassn Dan
    Posts: 977
    #1777651

    They don’t want people from the States drinking up all their beers, eh.

    ClownColor
    Inactive
    The Back 40
    Posts: 1955
    #1777653

    I’d make the drive every other week if I could. The fishing is absolutely amazing. Border crossing takes less than 5 minutes…and doesn’t cost penny! No people. No traffic. Moose and bears all over. I could go without the skeeters though. I’m happy their are people like Glenn so I can enjoy it even more with less people!

    blank
    Posts: 1776
    #1777655

    I’d make the drive every other week if I could. The fishing is absolutely amazing. Border crossing takes less than 5 minutes…and doesn’t cost penny! No people. No traffic. Moose and bears all over. I could go without the skeeters though. I’m happy their are people like Glenn so I can enjoy it even more with less people!

    I agree. I’ve crossed the border 7 times in the last 3 years and have never spent more than 2 minutes to get across. I’ve heard all of these horror stories about crossing and I can’t understand how people have so many problems. Then again, no one that I’ve crossed with has any sort of criminal record other than maybe a speeding ticket.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8519
    #1777666

    It’s funny how people want stronger US boarders yet expect to have the red carpet rolled out when they want to cross the border into another country. I really don’t understand the haste towards Canadian boarder crossings.

    I’ve been crossing to fish in Canada 3-5 times per year since I was 15 years old and the last 10 years has been with a criminal record (not a DUI, but I’m still “deemed inadmissible”) that could technically get me turned away. I’ve only been questioned about my record twice in almost 50 crossings and both times were a perfectly fair and civil experience. They simply asked me to explain any crimes I’ve been convicted of and also asked personal questions like what I do for work and my living arrangements. Basically trying to judge my character and make a judgement decision from there. Each time lasted around an hour and ended with the border agent wishing me good luck on my trip. The other 95% of my crossings have been completely uneventful aside from having to pay duty on alcohol (we’re over the limit every time and they only make us pay maybe half the time). I’ve seen and heard about people being turned away at the border, and every time involves that person acting like a total Richard when called in for questioning.

    There’s no question that we’ve had more random delays, checks, and general hassle from US border agents than from Canadian agents. The other interesting thing I’ve noticed is how often I’ve been checked by CO’s while fishing in Canada. In the last 10 years, I’ve probably been checked more there than in Minnesota and I put in at least 10x the fishing hours here. Every CO I’ve encountered – Canada or US – has been extremely pleasant and respectful… even when citations have been issued.

    I know many like to complain about CO’s as well so maybe it all comes down to some people having issues with authority in general.

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16658
    #1777669

    You just need to remember you are a “guest” in their country. Don’t like or can’t abide by their rules? Stay out.

    blank
    Posts: 1776
    #1777670

    Great post tswoboda, especially the first paragraph! applause

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1777679

    It’s funny how people want stronger US boarders yet expect to have the red carpet rolled out when they want to cross the border into another country. I really don’t understand the haste towards Canadian boarder crossings.

    And we wonder why the world hates us. We have the most entitled people in the world.

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16658
    #1777681

    We are arrogant bullies. No mystery to me why we are hated by most of the world.

    That said, we are also the best country in the world which to live. If another country doesn’t like our policies they shouldn’t have their hands out taking our money either.

    tomr
    cottage grove, mn
    Posts: 1275
    #1777685

    Crossed the border into Canada many times without any hassles what so ever. What still gets me going is one time coming back into the US the agent was a total jerk to the point I thought of getting out of the truck and going in and entering a complaint. Only reason did not is visions of them dismantling my truck for retribution. I still to this day get upset thinking about it even though it was obvious this guy had something major go wrong in his life and was taking it out on someone and it happened to be me. What I cannot understand is what he thought he was accomplishing, can he stop you from going home? I think not.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22456
    #1777686

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>tswoboda wrote:</div>
    It’s funny how people want stronger US boarders yet expect to have the red carpet rolled out when they want to cross the border into another country. I really don’t understand the haste towards Canadian boarder crossings.

    And we wonder why the world hates us. We have the most entitled people in the world.

    I wonder how many US fisherman, illegally enter Canada thru the gates or by other means whistling , have a trailer house full of kids & get on their government assistance programs and demand citizenship ? Apples to oranges people… Geez. coffee

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16658
    #1777687

    After 9-11 the Patriot Act was passed. It gives government agency’s unlimited power to do what they want if they can point the issue towards “national security.” So my advice for everyone would be keep their mouth shut coming into this country or you may figure out just how few rights you have. So ya, they can keep you from going home.

    philtickelson
    Inactive
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 1678
    #1777691

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>biggill wrote:</div>

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>tswoboda wrote:</div>
    It’s funny how people want stronger US boarders yet expect to have the red carpet rolled out when they want to cross the border into another country. I really don’t understand the haste towards Canadian boarder crossings.

    And we wonder why the world hates us. We have the most entitled people in the world.

    I wonder how many US fisherman, illegally enter Canada thru the gates or by other means whistling , have a trailer house full of kids & get on their government assistance programs and demand citizenship ? Apples to oranges people… Geez. coffee

    Well there were those 4 dudes who got caught fishing this winter on the Canadian side of rainy with a guide service.

    4 fishermen a year equates to literally DOZENS of illegal crossers over the course of a decade. EPIDEMIC.

    walleye216
    Posts: 91
    #1777694

    for those reasons alone i quit fishing in canada. if they wanna make it that much of a pain………..they can keep there fish, not get my money and i’ll fish at home.

    It is more of a pain for you to go to Canada than to not drink and drive?

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1777695

    I wonder how many US fisherman, illegally enter Canada thru the gates or by other means , have a trailer house full of kids & get on their government assistance programs and demand citizenship ? Apples to oranges people… Geez.

    I didn’t compare anything. ???

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